Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

In <503ba219.7000...@bcs.org.uk>, on 08/27/2012 at 05:36 PM, CM Poncelet said: >Well ... subject to interpretation. For example, DOS was a lot closer >to the *original* (pre-ESA) ISPF than Microsoft Windows ever was Neither looked anything like ISPF, or even like the original SPF. >The purp

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

Well ... subject to interpretation. For example, DOS was a lot closer to the *original* (pre-ESA) ISPF than Microsoft Windows ever was - and DOS was also far more efficient. The performance problems with ISPF began post-XA with the introduction of ESA. The purpose of ESA was to allow IBM to tak

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Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > In <503996a6.8030...@bcs.org.uk>, on 08/26/2012 >at 04:23 AM, CM Poncelet said: > >>What's your problem, Metz? > > Dealing with hypocritical fools. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ivUOnnstpg -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

In <503996a6.8030...@bcs.org.uk>, on 08/26/2012 at 04:23 AM, CM Poncelet said: >What's your problem, Metz? Dealing with hypocritical fools. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2 We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

In <50382f4e.6000...@bcs.org.uk>, on 08/25/2012 at 02:50 AM, CM Poncelet said: >>As your interpretation seems to be the only one that matters How is that not a lie? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2 We don't care. We don't hav

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

What's your problem, Metz? Run out of words? I'll see you later, pussy. Eternity might be a long time, but I'm infinitely patient. Ta ta for now CM Poncelet wrote: Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In <50361ac9.1080...@bcs.org.uk>, on 08/23/2012 at 12:58 PM, CM Poncelet said: Solomon's

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

Tut tut. Not a mention of 'using a search engine' in my quoted reply. In fact, I use them regularly. You seem confused. Meanwhile, Germany's economy is thriving while Greece's one is on its knees. The former relies on science/engineering, the latter on art/entertainment (and on hanging dogs fr

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In <50361ac9.1080...@bcs.org.uk>, on 08/23/2012 at 12:58 PM, CM Poncelet said: Solomon's Book of Proverbs, chapter 26 verse 5 Ah, the Devil quoting scripture. Original Message Subject:Re: CORRUPT PDS - I/O ERROR Date: T

Re: batch (was: ISPF Panel and LPAR name)

In <50359115.9090...@bcs.org.uk>, on 08/23/2012 at 03:10 AM, CM Poncelet said: >What happened to your sycophants, Metz? I don't have, or want, any. There may be people who often agree with me, but I'm not aware of one that won't point out any errors that I make. For that matter, there have be

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

In <50361ac9.1080...@bcs.org.uk>, on 08/23/2012 at 12:58 PM, CM Poncelet said: >Solomon's Book of Proverbs, chapter 26 verse 5 Ah, the Devil quoting scripture. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2 We don't care. We don't have to

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

In <50359f17.2080...@bcs.org.uk>, on 08/23/2012 at 04:10 AM, CM Poncelet said: >Well ... art/entertainment v. science/engineering as in Aesop's >fable about the Cicala and the Ant. Industry makes its own bread: >it does not sing all summer and expect bread when winter arrives. Nonsense. Usin

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

In , on 08/22/2012 at 10:54 AM, Kirk Talman said: >More accurately a session manager is Windows for z/OS. Not even close. While I have had issues with TPX, the comparison is still insulting. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2 W

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

In <645893134704.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>, on 08/22/2012 at 09:36 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: >But isn't ISPF itself a large step moving TSO in the direction of >what Windows later became? No. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

Solomon's Book of Proverbs, chapter 26 verse 5 Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In <50342f7d.6030...@bcs.org.uk>, on 08/22/2012 at 02:01 AM, CM Poncelet said: Is that so? Yes, they know what they are doing and why.

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

is this some kind of alternate universe thing? Date:Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:22:17 +0100 From:CM Poncelet Subject: Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name ... because it is moving back towards suppressing intelligence (as Mao Tse Tung did in China, in the 1960s). We should not all be obliged to look at pict

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

>> But 'search engines' are for entertainment purposes - an industry runs on >>science and engineering, not art and entertainment. Wow, is this some kind of alternate universe thing? Date:Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:22:17 +0100 From:CM Poncelet Subject: Re: IS

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

> > From: ds...@hotmail.com > > ISPF already supports auto-completion of data set names (kinda sorta), but > > it's extremely clunky. > > Better and easier to use SimpList and not have to type anything at all. > From: paulgboul...@aim.com > Can I throw away my keyboard and use only my mouse? It'

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM- m...@listserv.ua.edu] On Behalf Of CM Poncelet Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 10:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name Batch Clist/REXX does not use panels. They are intended for *interactive* TSO/ISPF dialogs

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

Well ... art/entertainment v. science/engineering as in Aesop's fable about the Cicala and the Ant. Industry makes its own bread: it does not sing all summer and expect bread when winter arrives. CP Mark Post wrote: On 8/22/2012 at 03:22 AM, CM Poncelet wrote: Yes, I understand the

Re: batch (was: ISPF Panel and LPAR name)

What happened to your sycophants, Metz? Make a sound like a bell? Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In <3289299314261205.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>, on 08/21/2012 at 09:58 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: But IBM, with little clue, requires ISPPLIB to be allocated when running ISPF i

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

As long as you always have a GUI on screen keyboard. Heck, get an iPad or touch screen device and throw away the mouse too. On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > Can I throw away my keyboard and use only my mouse? > > On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:02:36 -0400, Dave Salt wrote: > >>Pa

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

Can I throw away my keyboard and use only my mouse? On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:02:36 -0400, Dave Salt wrote: >Paul Gilmartin wrote: >>I love Google's query completion. And it would be a good thing >>if ISPF were to do similarly on every panel which allows a data set name to >>be typed. I suspect >>

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

>>> On 8/22/2012 at 03:22 AM, CM Poncelet wrote: > Yes, I understand the usefulness of Google's query completion etc. But > 'search engines' are for entertainment purposes - and industry runs on > science and engineering, not art and entertainment. What a severely limited understanding of real

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

ed, 22 Aug 2012 08:22:17 +0100 > From: ponce...@bcs.org.uk > Subject: Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > ... because it is moving back towards suppressing intelligence (as Mao > Tse Tung did in China, in the 1960s). We should not all be obliged to > l

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

as well. Date:Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:08:32 -0500 From:Paul Gilmartin Subject: Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:43:58 -0400, Dave Salt wrote: >> From: ponce...@bcs.org.uk >> Anyone who writes Clist/REXX that invokes panels in batch doesn't have a >

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

More accurately a session manager is Windows for z/OS. There was a version of TPX 2 decades ago that was full client/server. Each session TPX made w/an appl was displayed in the client as a separate window. The TPX client communicated w/TPX server on MVS using 3270 protocol in a manner not n

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

ISPF _is_ Windows for z/OS. On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:22:17 +0100, CM Poncelet wrote: >... because it is moving back towards suppressing intelligence (as Mao >Tse Tung did in China, in the 1960s). We should not all be obliged to >look at pictures just because the majority of people cannot read. > B

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

In <50342f7d.6030...@bcs.org.uk>, on 08/22/2012 at 02:01 AM, CM Poncelet said: >Is that so? Yes, they know what they are doing and why. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2 We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S

Re: batch (was: ISPF Panel and LPAR name)

In <3289299314261205.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>, on 08/21/2012 at 09:58 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: >But IBM, with little clue, requires ISPPLIB to be allocated when >running ISPF in batch. It might, rather be a courtesy for ISPSTART >in batch to fail if ISPPLIB _is_ allocated, with

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

... because it is moving back towards suppressing intelligence (as Mao Tse Tung did in China, in the 1960s). We should not all be obliged to look at pictures just because the majority of people cannot read. Yes, I understand the usefulness of Google's query completion etc. But 'search engines'

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

nday, August 20, 2012 10:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name Batch Clist/REXX does not use panels. They are intended for *interactive* TSO/ISPF dialogs. Anyone who writes Clist/REXX that invokes panels in batch doesn't have a clue about what he/she/it is doi

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 04:57:25 +0100, CM Poncelet wrote: >IBM have recognized that 99% of users are computer illiterate, but have >99% of the money. So they are following Microsoft's 'lead' and, >step-by-step, implementing Windoze for mainframes. > And this, were it to happen, would be entirely a Ba

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

IBM have recognized that 99% of users are computer illiterate, but have 99% of the money. So they are following Microsoft's 'lead' and, step-by-step, implementing Windoze for mainframes. Other vendors are just following suit. But the remaining 1% of users (with 1% of the money) can still figure

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

Is that so? Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In <50332317.4040...@bcs.org.uk>, on 08/21/2012 at 06:56 AM, CM Poncelet said: Batch Clist/REXX does not use panels. Foreground Clist/REXX does not use panels. Both batch and foreground scripts called from ISPF can use ISPF services, i

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

paulgboul...@aim.com > Subject: Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:43:58 -0400, Dave Salt wrote: > > >> From: ponce...@bcs.org.uk > >> Anyone who writes Clist/REXX that invokes panels in batch doesn't have

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: >>Batch Clist/REXX does not use panels. >Foreground Clist/REXX does not use panels. True, but see below. >Both batch and foreground scripts called from ISPF can use ISPF services, >including panels. Fact is - both are, like you say, using services (including, pa

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:43:58 -0400, Dave Salt wrote: >> From: ponce...@bcs.org.uk >> Anyone who writes Clist/REXX that invokes panels in batch doesn't have a >> clue about what he/she/it is doing. > > ... I customized the panels to recognize a parameter that would only be > passed in batch. When

batch (was: ISPF Panel and LPAR name)

On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:56:39 +0100, CM Poncelet wrote: >Batch Clist/REXX does not use panels. They are intended for >*interactive* TSO/ISPF dialogs. Anyone who writes Clist/REXX that >invokes panels in batch doesn't have a clue about what he/she/it is doing. > But IBM, with little clue, requires I

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

In <50332317.4040...@bcs.org.uk>, on 08/21/2012 at 06:56 AM, CM Poncelet said: >Batch Clist/REXX does not use panels. Foreground Clist/REXX does not use panels. Both batch and foreground scripts called from ISPF can use ISPF services, including panels. >Anyone who writes Clist/REXX that inv

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

In <6419321491215114.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>, on 08/20/2012 at 07:57 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: >There are contrary valid points of view here: Perhaps on what is desirable, but the behavior of the ISPF code is a matter of fact. >o Not to require the programmer to provide resou

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name > > Batch Clist/REXX does not use panels. They are intended for > *interactive* TSO/ISPF dialogs. Anyone who writes Clist/REXX that > invokes panels in batch doesn't have a clue about what he/she/it is > doing. &

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

> From: ponce...@bcs.org.uk > Anyone who writes Clist/REXX that invokes panels in batch doesn't have a clue > about what he/she/it is doing. The company I worked for had a vendor product (Endevor) that performed various functions using ISPF panels. Management wanted some of the functions to be

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

Batch Clist/REXX does not use panels. They are intended for *interactive* TSO/ISPF dialogs. Anyone who writes Clist/REXX that invokes panels in batch doesn't have a clue about what he/she/it is doing. BTW Beware of embedded LIBDEFs in Clist/REXX. Code PASSLIB on ISPSTART to avoid deallocating

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 02:01:57 +0100, CM Poncelet wrote: >Gosh. >> >>>The ISPPLIB DD must be allocated in the JCL. >> >>No; a dynamic allocation before ISPSTART will work just as well. >> There are contrary valid points of view here: o Not to require the programmer to provide resources he doesn't

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

, August 20, 2012 4:02 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name Gosh. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

Gosh. Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In <502ed318.7060...@bcs.org.uk>, on 08/18/2012 at 12:26 AM, CM Poncelet said: The ISPPLIB DD must be allocated in the JCL. No; a dynamic allocation before ISPSTART will work just as well. 'PANEL()' does not have to be specified on SYSTS

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

In <502ed318.7060...@bcs.org.uk>, on 08/18/2012 at 12:26 AM, CM Poncelet said: >The ISPPLIB DD must be allocated in the JCL. No; a dynamic allocation before ISPSTART will work just as well. >'PANEL()' does not have to be specified on SYSTSIN Nor did I say it did. In simple cases the ISPSTAR

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

The ISPPLIB DD must be allocated in the JCL. It can be an empty temporary PDS - e.g. coded as "//ISPPLIB DD LIKE=SYS1.PROCLIB " 'PANEL()' does not have to be specified on SYSTSIN - "ISPSTART CMD(% )" is sufficient (note that a '%' is required before the Clist/REXX name, or it will be interpreted

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

In , on 08/16/2012 at 08:54 PM, Skip Robinson said: >IIRC ISPF in batch requires all the standard DD >allocations or it just won't work at all. Period. Yes, except that they can be dynamic rather than DD. If you have an allocation script that you run in foreground to allocate ISPF datasets,

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

am Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com From: "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 08/16/2012 05:45 PM Subject: Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List In &l

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

In <9020372708201614.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>, on 08/16/2012 at 12:34 PM, Paul Gilmartin said: >That was in the sense of, "What chore, otherwise impossible in >batch, is made possible by using panels?" The naswer won't satisfy you: any application written around panels. That

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:06:39 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > on 08/15/2012 at 06:37 PM, Paul Gilmartin said: > >>Do batch ISPF jobs use panels? >Yes. > >>How, >By specifying the panel on the ISPSTART. > >>and is it necessary? >Yes. > That was in the sense of, "What chore, otherwise impo

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

In <7695765772818059.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>, on 08/15/2012 at 06:37 PM, Paul Gilmartin said: >Do batch ISPF jobs use panels? Yes. >How, By specifying the panel on the ISPSTART. >and is it necessary? Yes. >It seems almost a contradiction in terms. No. >Likewise, in no

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

>Use VPUT to save in your REXX exec; use VGET to retrieve in your >panel )INIT section. If the same rexx script then does an ISPEXEC DISPLAY, the VPUT is not needed. ISPF will find the variable in the rexx's "function pool". If you want to display the value in other panels not displayed from this

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 17:15:21 -0700, Skip Robinson wrote: >I didn't know you allocate ISPPROF to DUMMY in batch. I've always used a >temporary data set to achieve the same goals. > >//ISPPROF DD SPACE=(TRK,(1,1,2)),UNIT=SYSALLDA,DCB=SYS1.PROCLIB > I stand corrected; I just reviewed my own code.

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

VS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com From: Paul Gilmartin To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 08/15/2012 04:37 PM Subject: Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List Likewise, in noninteractive

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:13:49 -0500, Art Gutowski wrote: > >If you're going to insert ISP@MSTR in front of ISR@PRIM, you'd do well to >notify and give your applications teams sufficient time to review and update >any batch ISPF jobs. > Do batch ISPF jobs use panels? How, and is it necessary? It

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

ffice 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com From: Art Gutowski To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 08/15/2012 11:18 AM Subject: Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 12:51:47 -0400, Dave Salt wrote: >Customizing

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 12:51:47 -0400, Dave Salt wrote: >Customizing the ISPF menu (ISR@PRIM) can lead to problems if people forget to >update it when IBM makes changes to it. [...] If you package your changes in a USERMOD, it's not a big risk. Notwithstanding full system replacement deliveries,

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

velopment/simplist.html > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 09:35:46 -0400 > From: pete_con...@ibi.com > Subject: Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > We use Lizette's recommendation & simply add &SYSZNODE (truncated snippet > below): >

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

We use Lizette's recommendation & simply add &SYSZNODE (truncated snippet below): )BODY CMD(ZCMD)Andy Pesce of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List > wrote on 08/14/2012 01:47:35 PM: > > I have a primary option menu (ISR@PRIM) that I am trying to put the

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

evelopment/simplist.html > Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:12:30 -0500 > From: jkali...@csc.com > Subject: Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Add the rexx code to the panel in the (INIT section. > > *Rexx(var1,var2,varn) > > rexx code >

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

Add the rexx code to the panel in the (INIT section. *Rexx(var1,var2,varn) rexx code *EndRexx Regards, John K Andy Pesce of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 08/14/2012 01:47:35 PM: > I have a primary option menu (ISR@PRIM) that I am trying to put the > "LPAR NAME" on it instead

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

On 8/14/2012 12:47 PM, Pesce, Andy wrote: I have a primary option menu (ISR@PRIM) that I am trying to put the "LPAR NAME" on it instead of the ZSYSID. My logon PROC executes a CLIST that does all my allocations for me. I found a REXX to run that will extract the information. However, how do I

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

Oh, forgot one - ZSYSID Lizette -Original Message- >From: "Pesce, Andy" >Sent: Aug 14, 2012 11:47 AM >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Subject: ISPF Panel and LPAR name > >I have a primary option menu (ISR@PRIM) that I am trying to put the "LPAR >NA

Re: ISPF Panel and LPAR name

AM >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Subject: ISPF Panel and LPAR name > >I have a primary option menu (ISR@PRIM) that I am trying to put the "LPAR >NAME" on it instead of the ZSYSID. >My logon PROC executes a CLIST that does all my allocations for me. I found a >REXX to run th

ISPF Panel and LPAR name

I have a primary option menu (ISR@PRIM) that I am trying to put the "LPAR NAME" on it instead of the ZSYSID. My logon PROC executes a CLIST that does all my allocations for me. I found a REXX to run that will extract the information. However, how do I save that into a variable that I can use by