PTF error clarification

2015-12-22 Thread Jake Anderson
Hi, I am applying few toleration fixes for a hardware but I a receiving the below error message. CAUSER SYSMOD SUMMARY REPORT FOR APPLY CHECK PROCESSING CAUSER FMID MESSAGE ID PAGE ERROR DESCRIPTION AND POSSIBLE CAUSES UA90976 HBB7790 GIM35901I 2 ERROR HOLD AA49159 WAS NOT

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-22 Thread Lizette Koehler
M-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Jake Anderson > Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 5:02 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: PTF error clarification > > Hi, > > I am applying few toleration fixes for a hardware but I a receiving the below > error message. > >

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-22 Thread Richards, Robert B.
: PTF error clarification When an APAR has HOLD ERROR, you should not do anything until IBM resolves the error. So SMP/E is doing what it is supposed to do. Prevent you from installing fixes that could harm your system. With these types of issues I raise an SR to IBM and ask when this error will be

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-22 Thread Pommier, Rex
F was worse than the bug being fixed by the original PTF. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jake Anderson Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 6:02 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: PTF error clarification Hi

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-22 Thread Staller, Allan
Research this apar: ERROR HOLD AA49159 WAS NOT RESOLVED Either order/install the additional maintenance required *OR* *WITH GREAT CARE AND EXTREME DILIGENCE*, determine if the exposure in this AA49159 will affect you installation. If *YES* DO NOT bypass the error hold. If *NO*, the e

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-22 Thread Skip Robinson
in...@gmail.com > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Staller, Allan > Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 07:00 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [Bulk] Re: PTF error clarification > &

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-22 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 12/22/2015 at 05:32 PM, Jake Anderson said: >Does that mean, I have to receive the APAR If there is a PTF that resolves the APAR, receive that. If not, and there is an APAR fix, receive that. Either way, specify group extend. But first check for PE. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-22 Thread Longabaugh, Robert E
, December 22, 2015 11:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PTF error clarification In , on 12/22/2015 at 05:32 PM, Jake Anderson said: >Does that mean, I have to receive the APAR If there is a PTF that resolves the APAR, receive that. If not, and there is an APAR fix, receive that. Eit

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-22 Thread Skip Robinson
mber 22, 2015 10:00 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [Bulk] Re: PTF error clarification > > Receive the HOLDDATA. Then SMP/E checks for PE. Do specify GROUPEXTEND > (or GEXT). > > Bob Longabaugh > CA Technologies > Storage Management QA > > -O

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-22 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 14:59:52 -0800, Skip Robinson wrote: > >This is a hot button of mine: going to extraordinary lengths to second guess >SMPE. Like Santa Claus, SMPE knows who's been naughty and who's been nice. >Goodies and lumps of coal will be distributed accordingly. GROUPEXTEND is >*always* i

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-22 Thread Skip Robinson
in > Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 04:39 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [Bulk] Re: PTF error clarification > > On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 14:59:52 -0800, Skip Robinson wrote: > > > >This is a hot button of mine: going to extraordinary lengths to second > >gues

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-22 Thread retired mainframer
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Skip Robinson > Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 3:00 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: PTF error clarification > > This is a hot

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-22 Thread Clark Morris
inframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] >> On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin >> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 04:39 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: [Bulk] Re: PTF error clarification >> >> On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 14:59:52 -0800, Skip Robins

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-23 Thread Kurt Quackenbush
... Hasn't there been a recent enhancement so BYPASS can get RC=0? "Recent" is relative, but yes there was a change, in SMP/E V3.5, way back in z/OS V1.10, 2008. Doesn't really affect the current subject, but BYPASSed HOLDs will get RC=0 instead of RC=4. http://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowled

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-23 Thread Kurt Quackenbush
Is a return code of 4 more appropriate for PTFs not applied because of error hold? This is an interesting idea, which I'm curious to hear opinions on. If doing a mass APPLY (not using the SELECT operand), and PTFs are stopped because of a PE (ERROR HOLD), either directly or in a requisite cha

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-23 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 12/22/2015 at 10:55 PM, Clark Morris said: >Are there holds that should be bypassed Yes. >such as Action after noting the action And doc hold after reading the documentation There are some that I automatically bypass, e.g., CLPA: I don't apply servie to a live system and these day

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-23 Thread Lizette Koehler
to fall in that category. Lizette > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Kurt Quackenbush > Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 6:51 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: PTF error clarifi

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-23 Thread Clifford McNeill
PE Error RC8 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Kurt Quackenbush Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 7:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PTF error clarification > Is a return code of 4 more appropriate for PTFs

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-23 Thread Clark Morris
On 23 Dec 2015 05:50:44 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >> Is a return code of 4 more appropriate for PTFs not applied because of >> error hold? > >This is an interesting idea, which I'm curious to hear opinions on. If >doing a mass APPLY (not using the SELECT operand), and PTFs are s

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-23 Thread Richards, Robert B.
- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Kurt Quackenbush Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 8:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PTF error clarification > Is a return code of 4 more appropriate for PTFs not applied because of >

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-23 Thread Richard Pinion
To make everybody happy, make this a user controlled option, you decide what causes RC=xx. --- robert.richa...@opm.gov wrote: From: "Richards, Robert B." To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PTF error clarification Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 10:44:24 -

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-23 Thread Jakubek, Jan
<<< > Is a return code of 4 more appropriate for PTFs not applied because of > error hold? This is an interesting idea, which I'm curious to hear opinions on. If doing a mass APPLY (not using the SELECT operand), and PTFs are stopped because of a PE (ERROR HOLD), eithe

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-23 Thread Mike Schwab
On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Clark Morris wrote: > On 23 Dec 2015 05:50:44 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: > >>This is an interesting idea, which I'm curious to hear opinions on. If >>doing a mass APPLY (not using the SELECT operand), and PTFs are stopped >>because of a PE (ERROR H

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-23 Thread Chris Hoelscher
I guess I have a basic question - is a return code intended to indicate that success of a process doing what it is supposed to do? Or the meaningfulness of the results of the process to the person who makes uses of the results of the process? If the former - then should EVERY run of APPLY retur

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-23 Thread Pinnacle
On 12/23/2015 8:50 AM, Kurt Quackenbush wrote: Is a return code of 4 more appropriate for PTFs not applied because of error hold? This is an interesting idea, which I'm curious to hear opinions on. If doing a mass APPLY (not using the SELECT operand), and PTFs are stopped because of a PE (ERRO

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-23 Thread Chris Hoelscher
Of Chris Hoelscher Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 11:12 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] PTF error clarification I guess I have a basic question - is a return code intended to indicate that success of a process doing what it is supposed to do? Or the meaningfulness of

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-23 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 15:54:52 +, Jakubek, Jan > Is a return code of 4 more appropriate for PTFs not applied because of >> error hold? > >This is an interesting idea, which I'm curious to hear opinions on. If doing >a mass APPLY (not using the SELECT operand), and PTFs are stopped because of a

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-23 Thread Pommier, Rex
hold. :-) Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Chris Hoelscher Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 10:12 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PTF error clarification I guess I have a basic question - is a return c

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-23 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <567aa6b1.8050...@us.ibm.com>, on 12/23/2015 at 08:50 AM, Kurt Quackenbush said: >This is an interesting idea, which I'm curious to hear opinions >on. If doing a mass APPLY (not using the SELECT operand), and >PTFs are stopped because of a PE (ERROR HOLD), either directly >or in a req

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-23 Thread Skip Robinson
er 23, 2015 09:27 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [Bulk] Re: PTF error clarification > > Chris, > > I was having similar thoughts as you, although not to the extent of yours. I tend > to think along the first of your ideas about the purpose of the RC, that

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-23 Thread Jakubek, Jan
> Is a return code of 4 more appropriate for PTFs not applied because of > error hold? This is an interesting idea, which I'm curious to hear opinions on. If doing a mass APPLY (not using the SELECT operand), and PTFs are stopped because of a PE (ERROR HOLD), either directly or in a requisite

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-23 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <29b16432403d6c45a9bee5f0302d191779b9f...@vss-exchmb1.sfg.corp.LOCAL>, on 12/23/2015 at 05:27 PM, "Pommier, Rex" said: >Maybe in way of compromise, SMP/E should set a RC=6 instead of 8 >where maintenance is stopped due to an error hold. :-) How does an error hold differ from a system hold

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-23 Thread Mike Schwab
On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > In > <29b16432403d6c45a9bee5f0302d191779b9f...@vss-exchmb1.sfg.corp.LOCAL>, > on 12/23/2015 >at 05:27 PM, "Pommier, Rex" said: > >>Maybe in way of compromise, SMP/E should set a RC=6 instead of 8 >>where maintenance is stopped

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-23 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 12/23/2015 at 04:52 PM, Mike Schwab said: >On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) > wrote: >> In >> <29b16432403d6c45a9bee5f0302d191779b9f...@vss-exchmb1.sfg.corp.LOCAL>, >> on 12/23/2015 >>at 05:27 PM, "Pommier, Rex" said: >> >>>Maybe in way of compromise, SMP/

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-23 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 08:50 -0500 on 12/23/2015, Kurt Quackenbush wrote about Re: PTF error clarification: Is a return code of 4 more appropriate for PTFs not applied because of error hold? This is an interesting idea, which I'm curious to hear opinions on. If doing a mass APPLY (not using the SELECT op

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-23 Thread Skip Robinson
. Rosenberg > Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 09:36 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [Bulk] Re: PTF error clarification > > At 08:50 -0500 on 12/23/2015, Kurt Quackenbush wrote about Re: PTF error > clarification: > > >>Is a return code of 4 more appropriate

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-24 Thread Kurt Quackenbush
ssage- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Robert A. Rosenberg Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 09:36 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [Bulk] Re: PTF error clarification At 08:50 -0500 on 12/23/2015, Kurt Quackenbush wrote about Re: PTF error cla

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-24 Thread Richards, Robert B.
, December 24, 2015 9:18 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PTF error clarification Thank you all for your ideas and opinions. Just so we're all clear, I currently have no plans to make this kind of change to SMP/E, but its an idea I've had for a while and I thought it was worth

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-24 Thread Jousma, David
MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Richards, Robert B. Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 9:33 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PTF error clarification Kurt, My Christmas wish: An enhancement to easily identify SECINT PTFs through reports Merry Christmas and a very Happy N

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-24 Thread Richards, Robert B.
, December 24, 2015 9:40 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PTF error clarification Yea, today you have to subscribe and be approved to access the SECINT data, and then you have to manually download the SMPE assigns, and receive that. Once that is done, you can then easily do apply&#

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-24 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 10:02:35 -0500, Richards, Robert B. wrote: >You have an *IBM rep*? > >I also wish that the HOLDs file was in a format that could easily be imported >into EXCEL so that I could use filtering criteria. > (Or LibreOffice for those not Excel-afflicted.) Is it regular enough that

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-24 Thread Clark Morris
On 23 Dec 2015 15:52:13 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >In >, >on 12/23/2015 > at 04:52 PM, Mike Schwab said: > >>On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) >> wrote: >>> In >>> <29b16432403d6c45a9bee5f0302d191779b9f...@vss-exchmb1.sfg.corp.LOCAL>, >>> on 12/23/2015 >

Re: PTF error clarification

2015-12-24 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 10:02:35 -0500, Richards, Robert B. wrote: >You have an *IBM rep*? > >I also wish that the HOLDs file was in a format that could easily be imported >into EXCEL so that I could use filtering criteria. > Heres a hack at converting HOLDDATA to CSV. (I left out the hard part: pa