Re: Tapeless delivery

2018-05-10 Thread Mike Schwab
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/10/ibm_bans_all_removable_storage_for_all_staff_everywhere/ Not sure what hoops you will have to jump through to send any data on any media soon. On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 3:25 AM, Edward Gould wrote: >> On Apr 27, 2018, at 1:01 PM, J

Re: Tapeless delivery

2018-04-28 Thread Edward Gould
> On Apr 27, 2018, at 1:01 PM, J R wrote: > > > >> Dr. Evil wrote: >> >> ... The data that is in these files are only known by the President of the >> company and I think one VP. The President’s boss work’s in another country >> and the board is scattered around the

Re: Tapeless delivery

2018-04-27 Thread J R
> Dr. Evil wrote: > > ... The data that is in these files are only known by the President of the > company and I think one VP. The President’s boss work’s in another country > and the board is scattered around the world, if I met one in the hallway I > would not know him. The “board” is only

Re: Tapeless delivery

2018-04-27 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 01:43:15 -0500, Edward Gould wrote: > >... The data that is in these files are only known by the President of the >company and I think one VP. The President’s boss work’s in another country and >the board is scattered around the world, if I met one in the hallway I would

Re: Tapeless delivery

2018-04-27 Thread Timothy Sipples
Paul Gilmartin wrote (regarding disc labels): >Fun when they come loose in the drive. Which "never" happens with high or medium quality labels. Moreover, in the extremely unlikely event it does happen, it's not a new problem. If a label shakes loose from a tape cartridge, much worse things can

Re: Tapeless delivery

2018-04-27 Thread Edward Gould
> On Apr 26, 2018, at 6:08 AM, Timothy Sipples wrote: > > I'm utterly mystified. Yes, OK, you have to use a DVD reader instead of > a tape drive. There's a media change and a drive change...and so what? > Media and drive changes are also nothing new since there have been

Re: Tapeless delivery

2018-04-27 Thread Edward Gould
> On Apr 26, 2018, at 6:08 AM, Timothy Sipples wrote: > > [I don't know who wrote this] wrote: >> DVD’s/CDROMS have an affinity to getting lost and you >> cannot put a sticker on it (on the sleeve yes) but >> not on the physical device. I did and I stand by it. I have gummed

Re: Tapeless delivery

2018-04-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 19:08:16 +0800, Timothy Sipples wrote: >May I ask a couple "naive" and slightly impolite questions here? >... >Have you looked into what youc colleagues have been doing for the past 20+ >years? How are the other parts of your organization coping? They are, >somehow, and

Re: Tapeless delivery

2018-04-26 Thread Carmen Vitullo
rdus.engelbre...@sita.co.za> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 7:07:09 AM Subject: Re: Tapeless delivery Timothy Sipples wrote: >Do ... ... ship you their software products and updates on tape >cartridges? Not now these days. Last one I received was just before 2

Re: Tapeless delivery

2018-04-26 Thread John McKown
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 7:07 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht < elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za> wrote: > Timothy Sipples wrote: > > >Do ... ... ship you their software products and updates on tape > cartridges? > > Not now these days. Last one I received was just before 2013 when we still > have a tape

Re: Tapeless delivery

2018-04-26 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Timothy Sipples wrote: >Do ... ... ship you their software products and updates on tape >cartridges? Not now these days. Last one I received was just before 2013 when we still have a tape robot. Just a little double check of that write-only tab and a fast iebcopy job and you're in. >You

Re: Tapeless delivery

2018-04-26 Thread Timothy Sipples
May I ask a couple "naive" and slightly impolite questions here? Do Microsoft, Oracle, SAP, Adobe, Symantec, VMware, SAS, or Red Hat (as examples) ship you their software products and updates on tape cartridges? I presume your organization is using at least one software product from at least one

Re: Tapeless delivery

2018-04-25 Thread Edward Gould
John, I was in the middle of replying to you last email and it just disappeared. To all of your first paragraph (If I remember it all) the issue you site are essentially the same (IMO) whether it is CDROM or TAPE. ——NOW——— I both agree with you and disagree. I will not try and put

Re: One last question on TAPELESS delivery

2018-04-12 Thread John Eells
If you want to download your software, then the PC you use needs to have enough disk space to contain what you order, and that PC (*not* the HMC) also needs access to the IBM servers via the internet while the order is being downloaded. The largest orders (those that include z/OS, typically)

Re: One last question on TAPELESS delivery

2018-04-12 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 00:28:30 -0500, Edward Gould wrote: >Anyone: > >I talked with my boss yesterday and he told me to get up a short presentation >on DVD’s and maintenance from IBM over the internet. > >Since I still do not know some of the issues (PC SIZE etc) he shot me down in >about 3

Re: One last question on TAPELESS delivery

2018-04-11 Thread Edward Gould
Anyone: I talked with my boss yesterday and he told me to get up a short presentation on DVD’s and maintenance from IBM over the internet. Since I still do not know some of the issues (PC SIZE etc) he shot me down in about 3 minutes. I could not answer most of his questions so he told me to

Re: One last question on TAPELESS delivery

2018-04-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 07:40:51 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: >John Eells wrote: > >>Let's all try to do this the easy way, folks. > Ed's employer apparently has a different idea. >One really extremely easy way to do it: Delegate it to someone else. ;-D > >On a serious note - Many thanks for

Re: One last question on TAPELESS delivery

2018-04-11 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
John Eells wrote: >Let's all try to do this the easy way, folks. One really extremely easy way to do it: Delegate it to someone else. ;-D On a serious note - Many thanks for your kind explanations. It will certainly help everyone. Please keep up with your good posts and advices. Thanks

Re: One last question on TAPELESS delivery

2018-04-11 Thread John Eells
Let me repeat that setting up an FTP server on a workstation is *not* required for installing IBM software. I will also repeat that access to the HMC is required *only* for the starter system, the Customized Offerings Driver (aka the COD). If you stay within the n-2 coexistence window, you

Re: One last question on TAPELESS delivery

2018-04-09 Thread Timothy Sipples
John Eells wrote: >Setting up an FTP server or NFS server is not required to get software >from DVD to z/OS. A plain vanilla FTP client such as the one that comes >with Windows, along with the FTP server built into z/OS Communications >Server are all you need. I'm afraid a setup task is required,

Re: One last question on TAPELESS delivery

2018-04-09 Thread John Eells
Setting up an FTP server or NFS server is not required to get software from DVD to z/OS. A plain vanilla FTP client such as the one that comes with Windows, along with the FTP server built into z/OS Communications Server are all you need. You can, of course, choose to set up an FTP or NFS

Re: One last question on TAPELESS delivery

2018-04-09 Thread John Eells
Edward Gould wrote: Hi, Before I go into a viper pit for telling the boss and his boss and his boss and be asked many questions that I am nowhere near qualified to answer. Is there an IBM book/manual or SHARE presentation that I can show to the management what will be needed, hardware

Re: One last question on TAPELESS delivery

2018-04-09 Thread Parwez Hamid
If I have understood Tim's response correctly, he is suggesting 2 options: 1) Use the DVD drive on your HMC. In your previous comments you have indicated that this is almost impossible!! 2) Use any PC (your own desktop?) with a DVD drive which has access to z /OS LPAR. Provided you have the

Re: One last question on TAPELESS delivery

2018-04-09 Thread Edward Gould
> On Apr 8, 2018, at 7:49 PM, Timothy Sipples wrote: > > Edward, > > Here's the basic process: > > 1. Order and receive physical DVD media containing the software products, > via postal mail or courier. > > 2. Insert the DVD into the drive of any machine that your

Re: One last question on TAPELESS delivery

2018-04-08 Thread Timothy Sipples
Edward, Here's the basic process: 1. Order and receive physical DVD media containing the software products, via postal mail or courier. 2. Insert the DVD into the drive of any machine that your designated z/OS LPAR can reach. (Not necessarily *every* z/OS LPAR.) That machine might be the HMC

One last question on TAPELESS delivery

2018-04-07 Thread Edward Gould
Hi, Before I go into a viper pit for telling the boss and his boss and his boss and be asked many questions that I am nowhere near qualified to answer. Is there an IBM book/manual or SHARE presentation that I can show to the management what will be needed, hardware (software) wise to be able