Re: Trying to build CMSBAM segment

2007-11-21 Thread Harland, Lawrence
Alan, SEGMENT RESERVE/RELEASE didn't help. A few more details. I defined vstor at 256m. We installed to mdisk, not SFS. I have backups of the old SDF files and can restore if necessary. We are running 5.1 and are trying to get to 5.3 since 5.1 is unsupported. I'll open a PMR with that

Re: Trying to build CMSBAM segment

2007-11-21 Thread Romanowski, John (OFT)
Let us know if IBM has a new solution. I'm doing VM5.3 too and will hit CMSBAM build problem again at some point. This e-mail, including any attachments, may be confidential, privileged or otherwise legally protected. It is intended only

Re: Trying to build CMSBAM segment

2007-11-21 Thread Kris Buelens
Maybe you've got some minidisks with lots of files then. At the other hand, when I migrate from one VM level to another, I keep my spool. And, I know CMSDOS co are seldom changed... So, my CMSDOS,BAM,AMSVSAM date from december 2002. We now run 5.2 2007/11/21, Harland, Lawrence [EMAIL

Re: Guest access to z9 DVD drive

2007-11-21 Thread RPN01
Access to the DVD drive on the HMC is incredibly slow. I think it was meant as a means of bootstraping up a bare system when you first get it, rather than being intended for long-term use as a mainframe device. It's faster and easier to create the ISO on your laptop and FTP/NFS/SCP it up to one of

Re: TCPIP troubleshooting

2007-11-21 Thread Nick Laflamme
Alan Altmark wrote: On Tuesday, 11/20/2007 at 05:51 EST, Miguel Delapaz/Endicott/[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *ahem* Using NETSTAT OBEY wouldn't fix ifconfig. It would eliminate the need for the minidisk password while severely limiting the amount of data we can send to the stack. While

Re: Questions about LUN DASD volumes

2007-11-21 Thread Alain Benveniste
Speaking with the OPEN guys, the major problem say have when they restore on a D/R site is to exactly map their requirements to what they find in t he new DASD array. So the problem appears when they want to restore a group of LUNs (meta volume) to preserve data coherence. Does a CP cmd exist

Re: Trying to build CMSBAM segment

2007-11-21 Thread Peter . Webb
Gee, I'm glad now I was in a hurry, and just copied these segments from z/VM 3.1.0 to z/VM 5.3.0. I missed a headache there! And now I know to try building them second-level before I do anything in production. Thanks guys!!! -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System

Re: Trying to build CMSBAM segment

2007-11-21 Thread Harland, Lawrence
I'm now having a problem submitting the PMR. Get the following error. An error has occurred: * An error occurred accessing the database: CPR1 201 I'll try it again later today then just wait til after the weekend. Happy Thanksgiving Larry Harland

Re: Questions about LUN DASD volumes

2007-11-21 Thread Imler, Steven J
Alain, There is: CP QUERY EDEVICE But I'm not sure that will give you what you are looking for ... Especially since you would have first had to have done a SET EDEVICE for the LUN ... which would mean the devices are attached and active on z/VM. JR (Steven) Imler CA Senior Software Engineer

Re: Questions about LUN DASD volumes

2007-11-21 Thread Steve Wilkins
SCSIDISC (the SCSI Discovery Tool) is a sample exec which provides target port and LUN information so one can discover the LUN topology which hangs off a System z FCP Subchannel.The help file for the tool (SCSIDISC SAMPHELP) indicates that it is Located on MAINT 194 or 2C2 disk. Regards,

IFL's, VM, Suse, OH MY...

2007-11-21 Thread Brian France
Folks, I've done about a 45 minute search and I think my answer is that I'd have to run multiple VM's per frame but wanted to ensure I was right. My management wants to run some product called HATS on our VM/MFL world. We recently upgraded from our z/890's with 1 IFL each to z9BC's with 2

Re: IFL's, VM, Suse, OH MY...

2007-11-21 Thread McKown, John
If HATS runs on Linux, then you could have a dedicated Linux guest for HATS. And in z/VM, you could assign a single virtual CPU to that Linux instance. That would restrict the HATS Linux system to run on a single CPU at a time (might switch from CPU to CPU, but only use one). -- John McKown

Re: IFL's, VM, Suse, OH MY...

2007-11-21 Thread Brian France
John, Yes, HATS run on MainFrameLinux using WAS. So, do I understand you in that I can assign two IFL's to my VM, and most of my MFL's could have access to both IFL's except for the MFL that runs HATS? I somehow assign a cpu to it in my USER DIRECT statements? At 11:03 AM 11/21/2007,

Re: IFL's, VM, Suse, OH MY...

2007-11-21 Thread McKown, John
My mistake. The OP did says keep costs down. Which the MACHINE directive will not do. It would only keep the CPU used by the HATS guest from exceeding a single IFL. The only way to keep the costs down (i.e. software licensing fees) is to remove an IFL entirely. I don't think that having multiple

Re: IFL's, VM, Suse, OH MY...

2007-11-21 Thread McKown, John
Correct. USER HATS MACHINE ESA 1 ... other stuff will define a z/VM guest called HATS which only has a single CPU assigned to it. ref: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/hcsg0b20/3.2. 35 -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the

Re: IFL's, VM, Suse, OH MY...

2007-11-21 Thread Tom Duerbusch
From a cost perspective, the software companines will charge you for the number of IFL engines you have on a box in which you run the software. So if you are running HATS on a single IFL box, you get charged for one copy. If you run HATS on your dual IFL box, you get charged for two copies.

Re: IFL's, VM, Suse, OH MY...

2007-11-21 Thread Peter . Webb
Note that although this works from a technical point of view, from a product licensing point of view, it likely would not. Vendors tend to be very picky when it comes to money, and would likely only be happy if the product was running in an LPAR with one IFL assigned to it. If the vendor is not

Re: IFL's, VM, Suse, OH MY...

2007-11-21 Thread Bill Munson
Brian, I will not pretend to know about licensing costs, but be glad you have the 2 IFL's on your z9. When we went from our 9672's with 1 IFL each to our z/9 EC's we got 1 IFL each also. BUT all the presentations at SHARE said if you want to grow your PENGUIN farm you need at least 2 IFL's

Re: IFL's, VM, Suse, OH MY...

2007-11-21 Thread Tom Duerbusch
Some of us to complain about that. That is, those of us that only use a part of an engine. On the other side, the cost of HATS on an IFL, on a per engine basis, is the same as the cost of an Intel engine (right?). So, in other words, the costs are the same... You just get more on our

Re: IFL's, VM, Suse, OH MY...

2007-11-21 Thread Malcolm Beattie
Tom Duerbusch writes: From a cost perspective, the software companines will charge you for the number of IFL engines you have on a box in which you run the software. So if you are running HATS on a single IFL box, you get charged for one copy. If you run HATS on your dual IFL box, you get

Re: IFL's, VM, Suse, OH MY...

2007-11-21 Thread Brian France
At 11:36 AM 11/21/2007, you wrote: From a cost perspective, the software companines will charge you for the number of IFL engines you have on a box in which you run the software. So if you are running HATS on a single IFL box, you get charged for one copy. If you run HATS on your dual IFL

Re: IFL's, VM, Suse, OH MY...

2007-11-21 Thread Brian France
At 12:54 PM 11/21/2007, you wrote: Some of us to complain about that. That is, those of us that only use a part of an engine. On the other side, the cost of HATS on an IFL, on a per engine basis, is the same as the cost of an Intel engine (right?). So, in other words, the costs are the

Re: IFL's, VM, Suse, OH MY...

2007-11-21 Thread David Boyes
I guess the question that pops into my mind is what are you really trying to do here? Set this beast up so that it can't use any more than one physical CPU worth of resources at any given time, or reserve one full CPU worth of horsepower for this beast (given it's WAS, you may end up doing this,

Re: Trying to build CMSBAM segment

2007-11-21 Thread David Boyes
Is this a known problem and does everyone have it? I am on z/VM 5.3 for about two weeks. Ran all the RSU and PTFS before testing. AFAIK, it really only affects people who need DOS/VS emulation or who still care about CMS VSAM. Ordinary CMS and Linux use of VM really doesn't invoke

Re: Trying to build CMSBAM segment

2007-11-21 Thread Edward M. Martin
Hello Everyone, Is this a known problem and does everyone have it? I am on z/VM 5.3 for about two weeks. Ran all the RSU and PTFS before testing. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441

Re: Trying to build CMSBAM segment

2007-11-21 Thread Edward M. Martin
Hello David, Thanks. I am on z/VM 5.3 and we are using VSE/VSAM for VM. It is required for the UltraQuest report product. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: IFL's, VM, Suse, OH MY...

2007-11-21 Thread Tom Duerbusch
From a VM dasd sideit is a trade off between having a qualified VM Systems Programmer available, vs the costs of the additional packs. The vast majority of RES and WK1 packs are used to build and maintain VM. You only need 1 copy of that. The CP areas is the only areas that you need a

Re: Trying to build CMSBAM segment

2007-11-21 Thread Mike Walter
We use PP 5648-A25 IBM COBOL for OS/390 VM 2.2.0, and 5668-910 IBM OS PL/I OPTIMIZING COMPILER V2.R3.M0 -- but no VSAM. After first copying SEGBLIST EXC0 as a backup to SEGBLIST -EXC (Never change anything IBM sends you without leaving a trail of bread crumbs), I've been manually

Re: IFL's, VM, Suse, OH MY...

2007-11-21 Thread Brian France
Tom, Yes, I have forwarded Malcoms' info and links to management to look at. We are still way to new to VM to consider what I know as qualified but alas, I am the systems programmer for better or worse. SO, I must ask, are you stating below that I can share a RES vol with multiple VM LPARs?

Re: Questions about LUN DASD volumes

2007-11-21 Thread Imler, Steven J
Ahh ... yes ... I forgot about the SCSI sniffer :-) JR (Steven) Imler CA Senior Software Engineer Tel: +1 703 708 3479 Fax: +1 703 708 3267 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Wilkins

Re: IFL's, VM, Suse, OH MY...

2007-11-21 Thread Bill Munson
Brian, What Tom is talking about is SERVICE one z/VM system then clone only the parts that are needed. (I use DDR with the reorder option - simple) example here is: ZVTRES, ZVTSP1, ZVTPG1, ZVTS01, ZVTS02, ZVTS03 as provided at INSTALL time and Serviced when needed. our LINUX images have

Re: Questions about LUN DASD volumes

2007-11-21 Thread Steve Wilkins
Compliments of Eric R. Farman, a sample of the SCSIDISC output: _FCP_CH_ __WWPN__ _LUN_ID_ _VENDOR_ PROD MODL _SERIAL_ CODE _BLK_SIZE_ _DISKBLKS_ __LUN_SIZE_(bytes)__ B098 5005076300CA04DA 5100 IBM 2105 F20 10013262 .178 5127617216 3900014592

Re: Questions about LUN DASD volumes

2007-11-21 Thread Romanowski, John (OFT)
FYI, SCSIDISC requires a LUN zero exist and be accessible in each storage controller to be scanned. Assuming non-NPIV, If one's using IBM San Volume Controller then consider having the very first LUN (LUN ) that each of its I/O Groups maps to your host (mainframe) be a minimal size LUN

Re: Questions about LUN DASD volumes

2007-11-21 Thread Romanowski, John (OFT)
on some occasions SCSIDISC will report LUN_SIZE_(bytes) as a negative number. Seen that only for large LUNs. On other occasions some of the fields, LUN_SIZE too, will be reported as X's This e-mail, including any attachments, may

Re: IFL's, VM, Suse, OH MY...

2007-11-21 Thread Tom Duerbusch
Yes, if you know what you are doing (and a qualified VM System's Programmer does), then you can share the packs. You only have to duplicate the CP areas. I hate to say this, but if you don't know what CP areas are, DON'T SHARE THE PACKS! That is, unless you like to learn by reinstalling

Re: IFL's, VM, Suse, OH MY...

2007-11-21 Thread Hans Rempel
Hi Brian. The fact you are planning on using HATS (Host Access Transformation services?) means you will be accessing 3270 screens, from a browser (IE or Firefox). This also means you are also running conventional (1 or more CP processors) for your CICS? (z/OS or z/VSE) system. You mentioned that