Re: Anyone use The Hessling Editor (THE), an Xedit/Kedit look-alike, for off-line VM code development or personal use?

2011-05-18 Thread Tony Thigpen
Several years ago, I moved all my assembler code for my products from VM to my Linux desktop. I now use THE, Dignus ASM, and 'make' processes to compile my products which are linked and tested on z/VSE. I have converted several of my prefix macros to be dual-mode. The same source works in

Re: Anyone use The Hessling Editor (THE), an Xedit/Kedit look-alike, for off-line VM code development or personal use?

2011-05-18 Thread Les Koehler
The big difference in prefix macro processing is that THE runs them in the order they were entered, not top to bottom as Xedit does. I haven't done much with them, but another member of RexxLA has overcome the difference. I could send you one of his macros to use as a model, if you'd like.

Re: Anyone use The Hessling Editor (THE), an Xedit/Kedit look-alike, for off-line VM code development or personal use?

2011-05-18 Thread Tony Thigpen
The problem is not the order they are processed, but instead is a problem of how they are stored when using: 'EXTRACT /PENDING OLDNAME' macroname where macroname is derived from: parse source os . macroname macroft macrofm name . parse arg pref func pline op extra '(' options if os = 'UNIX'

uploading C code to VM

2011-05-18 Thread Tony Thigpen
I am working on a project where I am porting some C code from linux to VM, so that I can compile it on z/VSE. As you can imagine, the 72 characters per line restriction is a problem. Has anybody else found a way to automate the conversion that they can share? As mentioned in another thread, I

Re: uploading C code to VM

2011-05-18 Thread Lloyd Fuller
Tony, I have not used VM C for several years, but I think that I remember that there is a compiler option to say do the whole record and not just 1-72. Lloyd - Original Message From: Tony Thigpen t...@vse2pdf.com To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Sent: Wed, May 18, 2011 8:37:29 AM

Re: uploading C code to VM

2011-05-18 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 05/18/2011 at 08:32 EDT, Tony Thigpen t...@vse2pdf.com wrote: I am working on a project where I am porting some C code from linux to VM, so that I can compile it on z/VSE. As you can imagine, the 72 characters per line restriction is a problem. Has anybody else found a way to

Re: uploading C code to VM

2011-05-18 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 05/18/2011 at 09:01 EDT, Lloyd Fuller leful...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I have not used VM C for several years, but I think that I remember that there is a compiler option to say do the whole record and not just 1-72. If Tony is using the IBM compiler, the NOMARGINS option causes

Re: uploading C code to VM

2011-05-18 Thread David Boyes
As you can imagine, the 72 characters per line restriction is a problem. Has anybody else found a way to automate the conversion that they can share? As mentioned in another thread, I do have THE and REXX on my Linux which could be used. If you have Emacs installed on your Linux, look at the

Re: uploading C code to VM

2011-05-18 Thread Tony Thigpen
I am not as worried about 72 or 80 as I am the lines from the pc that are way over 80. As I mentioned, I am compiling this on VSE, not VM, so since I am sending the program source though the Power reader, 80 will be the max although I would prefer 72 due to editing the program with xedit.

Re: Anyone use The Hessling Editor (THE), an Xedit/Kedit look-alike, for off-line VM code development or personal use?

2011-05-18 Thread Jim Bohnsack
Where can THE be gotten? I've heard of it, but have never had it or tried it. Is it usable as a general purpose PC editor or is it really only usable as a PC resident mainframe tool? Jim On 5/17/2011 11:50 PM, Les Koehler wrote: If you use THE for your own stuff, I'd like a direct email if

Re: Anyone use The Hessling Editor (THE), an Xedit/Kedit look-alike, for off-line VM code development or personal use?

2011-05-18 Thread Mark Pace
http://hessling-editor.sourceforge.net/ On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Jim Bohnsack jab...@cornell.edu wrote: Where can THE be gotten? I've heard of it, but have never had it or tried it. Is it usable as a general purpose PC editor or is it really only usable as a PC resident mainframe

Re: Anyone use The Hessling Editor (THE), an Xedit/Kedit look-alike, for off-line VM code development or personal use?

2011-05-18 Thread Tony Thigpen
http://hessling-editor.sourceforge.net/ I used it for some pc file editing, but some linux files require that I use a 'true' pc style editor. (Like when editing 'make' files.) Tony Thigpen -Original Message - From: Jim Bohnsack Sent: 05/18/2011 10:35 AM Where can THE be gotten?

Re: uploading C code to VM

2011-05-18 Thread Frank M. Ramaekers
Why not FTP to z/VSE to compile straight from Linux? (Still not sure if the C compiler will handle anything greater than 80 though.) Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen Sent:

Re: Anyone use The Hessling Editor (THE), an Xedit/Kedit look-alike, for off-line VM code development or personal use?

2011-05-18 Thread Frank M. Ramaekers
You can get it from SourceForge. Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Jim Bohnsack Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 9:35 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Anyone use The Hessling Editor

zvm directions

2011-05-18 Thread PHILIP TULLY
I see that the list traffic is kind of light right now and though I would toss out a topic for all of us to chew on. I am looking for your thoughts on the current direction of zVM in particular where development needs to be focused. I sense that z/VM 6.2 with SSI will ease the burden of

Re: uploading C code to VM

2011-05-18 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 05/18/2011 at 10:30 EDT, Tony Thigpen t...@vse2pdf.com wrote: I am not as worried about 72 or 80 as I am the lines from the pc that are way over 80. As I mentioned, I am compiling this on VSE, not VM, so since I am sending the program source though the Power reader, 80 will be

Re: zvm directions

2011-05-18 Thread Martin Zimelis
Phil, Have you considered getting involved with the Linux VM Program (LVM) at SHARE? In particular, the LVM Technical Steering Committee has been working with IBM on this sort of topic for a number of years. I know they're always looking for interested members from the user community.

Re: zvm directions

2011-05-18 Thread Marcy Cortes
Phil, I'll 2nd your opinion that 4 systems in the SSI is meager. I'm already in a quandary there with 4 prod systems and capacity planning asking where we put the next ones. So now I'm not sure if we step into SSI with all 4 or have to immediately start with 2 plexes. If two, we're giving up

Re: uploading C code to VM

2011-05-18 Thread Richard Troth
Tony -- I have done C on CMS for more than 20 years (off and on).  Never been limitted to 72 cols that I remember.  In the early days I might not have cared.  If it ever was a problem, I probably set (NOMARGINS like Alan suggests and then forgot it was ever a problem. One great thing about doing

Re: Anyone use The Hessling Editor (THE), an Xedit/Kedit look-alike, for off-line VM code development or personal use?

2011-05-18 Thread Brian Nielsen
I've used KEDIT KEX extensively on the PC for decades because its similarity to XEDIT REXX made working in both environments easier. I have never used THE. I would be interested in your, or anyone else's, views comparing contrasting THE Regina with KEDIT KEX. Are there any

Re: zvm directions

2011-05-18 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 05/18/2011 at 11:33 EDT, PHILIP TULLY tull...@optonline.net wrote: I sense that z/VM 6.2 with SSI will ease the burden of medium to large shops in the area of multi-system maintenance, and hopefully will be extended beyond it's current meager 4 system max size, sooner rather

Re: zvm directions

2011-05-18 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 05/18/2011 at 12:07 EDT, Marcy Cortes marcy.d.cor...@wellsfargo.com wrote: I don't see LGR as a load balancing solution at all. We will continue to use our F5 load balancers as well as the WAS IHS plugin for that effort. I see it more for a planned outage move for things

Re: zvm directions

2011-05-18 Thread Schuh, Richard
Too bad it will not work for geographically dispersed LPARS :-( Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 11:28 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject:

Re: zvm directions

2011-05-18 Thread Marcy Cortes
The tongue benefit is huge. Gotta keep up with them other guys ;) The other really useful case I see is in the dev/test environment. Say we want to get some good measurements from an app before they go production or to size them properly for their prod server purchase, but we have some pigs

Re: zvm directions

2011-05-18 Thread Marcy Cortes
Depends on how far, right? You have to share DASD so PPRC distances apply. You probably need the same subnet so you need a consultation with your network folks. But should be doable if you do those things (at least that's the plan here). Marcy -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM

Re: Anyone use The Hessling Editor (THE), an Xedit/Kedit look-alike, for off-line VM code development or personal use?

2011-05-18 Thread Richard Troth
What appeals to me is (from way back) that I can build Regina and THE reliably from source. I used at least two other REXX implementations and had trouble building them ... at some point along the road. Lately it matters less. (about build ability) So ... I have built and run THE and Regina on

Re: Anyone use The Hessling Editor (THE), an Xedit/Kedit look-alike, for off-line VM code development or personal use?

2011-05-18 Thread Tony Thigpen
I once used KEDIT, but switched to THE many years ago. At the time, KEDIT did not support prefix macros, something I use a lot. Tony Thigpen -Original Message - From: Brian Nielsen Sent: 05/18/2011 01:52 PM I've used KEDIT KEX extensively on the PC for decades because its

Re: zvm directions

2011-05-18 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 05/18/2011 at 02:46 EDT, Marcy Cortes marcy.d.cor...@wellsfargo.com wrote: Depends on how far, right? You have to share DASD so PPRC distances apply. You probably need the same subnet so you need a consultation with your network folks. But should be doable if you do those

Mark your calendar for VM Linux Summer Workshop (July 2011)

2011-05-18 Thread Pamela Christina in spring-eee Endicott NY
Cross-posted to IBMVM, IBMMAIN, LINUX390 for the VM enthusiasts. | Update: 18 May 2011 | The VM Workshop registration form is on the VM Workshop web site. | Reserve place today. | http://www.vmworkshop.org/ | Initial post below to refresh your memory: Hi, just wanted to get this on your

Re: uploading C code to VM

2011-05-18 Thread Tony Thigpen
The big issue is that I need to compile it on z/VSE, not on z/VM. (I don't have access to C on z/VM and I am working on z/VSE software.) The normal input for z/VSE is SYSIN or LIBR members where record lengths are limited. Tony Thigpen -Original Message - From: Richard Troth Sent:

Re: zvm directions

2011-05-18 Thread Austin, Alyce (CIV)
Has z/VM 6.2 been released? Regards, Alyce -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of PHILIP TULLY Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 8:31 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: zvm directions I see that the list traffic is kind of

Re: Anyone use The Hessling Editor (THE), an Xedit/Kedit look-alike, for off-line VM code development or personal use?

2011-05-18 Thread Les Koehler
A pc file doesn't have a concept of blank-delimited fn ft fm, so some adjustment *must* be made. It is my understanding that *nix doesn't make some information available for a prefix macro, but I don't know the details. Les Tony Thigpen wrote: The problem is not the order they are processed,

Re: Anyone use The Hessling Editor (THE), an Xedit/Kedit look-alike, for off-line VM code development or personal use?

2011-05-18 Thread Les Koehler
What do mean by a 'true pc editor'? I'm sure MarkH edits make files all the time! It's probably a question of what constitutes a 'line-end' sequence when writing files. SET EOLOUT can be used to change it. Les Tony Thigpen wrote: http://hessling-editor.sourceforge.net/ I used it for some pc

Re: zvm directions

2011-05-18 Thread Dave Jones
no. On 05/18/2011 05:32 PM, Austin, Alyce (CIV) wrote: Has z/VM 6.2 been released? Regards, Alyce -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of PHILIP TULLY Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 8:31 AM To:

Re: zvm directions

2011-05-18 Thread Marcy Cortes
No, nor announced. It's statement of direction thus far. Might not even be called 6.2 perhaps :) But go to share.org and look at the Anaheim - Franciscovich 8453. Marcy -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Austin, Alyce

Re: Anyone use The Hessling Editor (THE), an Xedit/Kedit look-alike, for off-line VM code development or personal use?

2011-05-18 Thread Tony Thigpen
I always run mine in xedit compatibility mode because I am normally editing mainframe source files. I know there are other capibilities, but I seldom need to edit 'special files' so I just use gedit for those. (I wish they had not dropped kedit with this new version of KDE.) Tony Thigpen

Re: Anyone use The Hessling Editor (THE), an Xedit/Kedit look-alike, for off-line VM code development or personal use?

2011-05-18 Thread Tony Thigpen
The prefix macro issues I hit are purely a problem with the way the THE code is written. The design is keyed off the newname, not the oldname. I looked at the code a year or so ago and discovered that it would take some major work to fix the problem. I am not a strong enough C programmer to

Re: Anyone use The Hessling Editor (THE), an Xedit/Kedit look-alike, for off-line VM code development or personal use?

2011-05-18 Thread Les Koehler
Also, KEDIT has a built-in subset of Rexx (KEX) as opposed to a real Rexx interpreter. KEDIT no longer has support, although it does have some nifty features like macro libraries. Perhaps not as important with modern hardware as it was back then. For a full ANSI compliant Rexx, Regina is the

Re: Anyone use The Hessling Editor (THE), an Xedit/Kedit look-alike, for off-line VM code development or personal use?

2011-05-18 Thread Les Koehler
I think you'll find that THE can deal with those 'special' files, letting you use the power of THE *all* the time! Les Tony Thigpen wrote: I always run mine in xedit compatibility mode because I am normally editing mainframe source files. I know there are other capibilities, but I seldom

Re: zvm directions

2011-05-18 Thread Richard Troth
Wow ... so many possible directions *this* thread could go. For fifty years, the platform now known as z has been all about scalability. For more than forty years, the environment we call z/VM has been all about resource sharing. Multi-system maint is something most people in the industry