Re: [IceHorses] Fawn on a hike in KY

2007-06-19 Thread Lorraine
--- Raven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=dhvd1vg.mtd6kt8&x=1&y=b8vh1b > > Ah...cute! I wanted to see the rest of photos, but > it asked for a > password and I didn't want to join. Thanks! > That was pretty much it anyway. Happy Trails from Lori

Re: [IceHorses] evaluation pix

2007-06-19 Thread Judy Ryder
> Here are some recent ones. These were taken at the 2007 evaluations that > were held a couple of weeks ago >From Lyndsey: http://www.icyhorse.smugmug.com/gallery/3008612#163282788 #7look at all the mouth foam. myler says an excessive foaming mouth is NOT a happy mouth. it means t

Re: [IceHorses] Re: PNH and ISTR

2007-06-19 Thread Judy Ryder
>> I don't repeat and drill and drill, and bore the horse to death. Neither do I. > I used to be a big fan of the 7 games but I'm not so sure anymore. > I'm liking simple lately. And interestingly enough, it works better!! I hear you and understand what you are saying. The value of the 7 Gam

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Bits and Leverage

2007-06-19 Thread pyramid
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 08:06:51PM -0600, Wanda Lauscher wrote: > On 19/06/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > thank you for the pointers. how do you reconcile the ones you chose > > with, say, the picture i had? do you think that "icelandic riding" is > > all one position, all o

Re: [IceHorses] Tight noseband, strong-armed rider, gaping mouth

2007-06-19 Thread Raven
>>The rider's face isn't shown in this picture, but you can see the horse's expression. You can see how indented the horse's nose is from the noseband, and look how hard the rider is pulling back on the reins. http://www.icyhorse.smugmug.com/gallery/3008612#163463648 that's gudmar peterson. >>

Re: [IceHorses] Re: PNH and ISTR

2007-06-19 Thread pyramid
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 07:54:08PM -0700, Judy Ryder wrote: > We don't need all the other restrictive tack that goes with icelandic-style > training and riding. oh, for goodness' sake. i don't think the french-link snaffle i was told to use on stjarni was "restrictive tack". > We can learn to

Re: [IceHorses] Tried the Sensation finally

2007-06-19 Thread Raven
>>received my sensation hybrid demo in the mail today cool .pam! >> Not sure about the pommel it may rub the inside of my thighs the seat may be too small for you, what size is it? raven <;]

Re: [IceHorses] Training to the Mounting Block

2007-06-19 Thread Robyn Schulze
> Will it be a problem that I'm not a clicker trainer? I love the concept of > clicker training ... I'm just not particularly talented with the > clicking/treating coordination. Try this then--this is how I learned click training w/ a great local dog trainer. Instead of carrying around a manual c

Re: [IceHorses] Tried the Sensation finally

2007-06-19 Thread Raven
>> Felt like my pelvis hip sockets was being stretched too far. that's cuz...there is no twist. i personally LOVE that feeling, but I like wide twists in my saddles. HA! >> So many saddles to try, so little time. what other saddles are you thinking about? Try a Reactor Panel Endurance...I LOVE

Re: [IceHorses] Tight noseband, strong-armed rider, gaping mouth

2007-06-19 Thread susan cooper
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> And how about this one: there are two pieces to the > flash noseband around > the horse's nose - plus a curb chain with the > long-shanked bit. > http://www.icyhorse.smugmug.com/gallery/3008612#163647030 << And to think I was ridiculed to the p

[IceHorses] Hi-Tie Photos and Mary Hamiton Sensory Training Clinic 2007

2007-06-19 Thread Raven
Hi, This is link to the Mary Hamiton Clinic that I attended in May. If you browse through the photos, you will see Huginn on a Hi-Tie. The Hi-Tie is made by Sporttack. Raven http://picasaweb.google.com/IcePonyGoddess/MaryHamitonSensoryTrainingClinic2007

Re: [IceHorses] Training to the Mounting Block

2007-06-19 Thread pyramid
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 05:05:30PM -0700, Judy Ryder wrote: > > but I need some pictures of > > > an Icelandic Horse being trained to the mounting > > block. Can anyone do that > > > for me? > > > > does it have to be clicker training? stjarni and i > > are working on this > > again > > I

Re: [IceHorses] Training to the Mounting Block

2007-06-19 Thread Nancy Sturm
I'll try to get Bruce to man the camera one night - maybe Thursday. I am currently working on teaching both Yrsa and Tosca to step up to the mounting block and stand quietly while I lie over their backs. It's actually going very well. Will it be a problem that I'm not a clicker trainer? I love

[IceHorses] evaluations

2007-06-19 Thread Docnshop2
I do not know if all of them were Icelanders. There is a female that I did not recognize. Gunnar is Icelandic. Renee ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

RE: [IceHorses] Tried the Sensation finally

2007-06-19 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi Kirsten, >Felt like my pelvis hip sockets was being stretched too far. >The stretchy girth was weird. If you are feeling stretched through the hips try raising your stirrups a hole or two as it will release you hip flexors. If the girth is one of the Sensation girths - the elastic in the midd

Re: [IceHorses] Re: PNH and ISTR

2007-06-19 Thread Robyn Schulze
> I don't repeat and drill and drill, and bore the horse to death. At the end of Mark Rashid's "Horses Never Lie" is a story about a woman who started her horse w/ NH, then started having problems w/ him and brought him to Mark R, who describes the horse as being "mechanical" and "resigned" w/ a "

Re: [IceHorses] Training to the Mounting Block

2007-06-19 Thread susan cooper
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe you can, additionally, ask Mom to take some > stills?<< I'll ask my friend, Denise, on Friday to take some since she is coming over and I plan on getting on Andi again. Mom and I aren't speaking at the moment - mother/daughter thing, you know -

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Scary weekend

2007-06-19 Thread Raven
>>We were the only ones at the campground,but he had been fine by himself for several hours. I am sure that he got zapped on his way out and that expediated his escape. i am sure he took off looking for other horses. poor baby! raven

Re: [IceHorses] Re: PNH and ISTR

2007-06-19 Thread Judy Ryder
> WOW Trish, that post brought tears to my eyes. Good for that person! It > sounds like it's a much needed start in that country. Hopefully,it > will start to spread and that person can have some like-minded friends > there soon. That is exactly why we are here, doing what we're doing, trying

Re: [IceHorses] Scary weekend

2007-06-19 Thread Raven
>> well do those little ring things work?? Janice, Are you referring to the picket line equipment that I told you about? If those are the rings you are thinking aboutyes, they work when you use them on a picket line. They keep the horse's lead line from sliding back & forth on the rope. Rav

[IceHorses] two ways to look at things

2007-06-19 Thread Susan Cushing
My wife and I were sitting at a table at my high school reunion, and I >kept staring at a drunken lady swigging her drink as she sat alone at a >nearby table. > My wife asks, "Do you know her?" > "Yes," I sighed, "She's my old girlfriend. I understand she took to >drinking right after we s

Re: [IceHorses] Scary weekend

2007-06-19 Thread Raven
>> Raven, is a hitie one of those small plastic ring things you put on the tieline rope to keep knots from forming? Nope...I'll send the list a photo of Huginn camping on a Hi-Tie. Raven

[IceHorses] Tight noseband, strong-armed rider, gaping mouth

2007-06-19 Thread Karen Thomas
The rider's face isn't shown in this picture, but you can see the horse's expression. You can see how indented the horse's nose is from the noseband, and look how hard the rider is pulling back on the reins. http://www.icyhorse.smugmug.com/gallery/3008612#163463648 Cantle sitting? Or how about a

Re: [IceHorses] Tried the Sensation finally

2007-06-19 Thread Pam Hansen
Sensation dressage demo that I inquired about two months ago. I just received my sensation hybrid demo in the mail today. I tried it quickly without stirrups and need to take it out longer to make a better judgement call. It did give me a real secure feeling which I have been seeking. N

[IceHorses] Re: PNH and ISTR

2007-06-19 Thread kimshu92026
> > > Here are some quotes from someone who lives in Iceland and is studying > Parelli (probably the only person). This person is not a show person > but a small farm holder. I think it's okay to post these as I am > quoting verbatim from a public forum and they say it better than I > bec

Re: [IceHorses] Fawn on a hike in KY

2007-06-19 Thread Raven
>> http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=dhvd1vg.mtd6kt8&x=1&y=b8vh1b Ah...cute! I wanted to see the rest of photos, but it asked for a password and I didn't want to join. Thanks! Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn, the American Ice Pony Dixie Chick, the Barn Goddess Respect ALL Earthli

RE: [IceHorses] evaluations

2007-06-19 Thread Karen Thomas
The first guy in the nice black suit on the palamino horse is Gunnar Eggertsson. Were all of the riders Icelanders then? I know Gudmar and Sigrun are. Karen Thomas, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [IceHorses] Training to the Mounting Block

2007-06-19 Thread Karen Thomas
Wanda? Nancy? Karen? Susan? Kim? Who else is at the point of training to stand at the mounting block? I hope to be starting one or two under saddle in a month or two when I finish the project I'm working on. I'll look through some old pictures to see if I have any of any of the other ho

RE: [IceHorses] Re: PNH and ISTR

2007-06-19 Thread Karen Thomas
I think what I do is a few minutes of groundwork over several years:) I don't repeat and drill and drill, and bore the horse to death. Pretty much us too. I've often said that we don't "train" our foals - we play with them. Somehow, in the course of normal handling - checking in on them eve

Re: [IceHorses] PNH and ISTR

2007-06-19 Thread Judy Ryder
> I'm not struggling with being the only PNH student in just the area, but > almost in the whole country. Being natural is not something that is done > up here. I have never heard of anyone else than me studying Parelli in > Iceland > _ > > The horses are tamed and rideable but many of them

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Training to the Mounting Block

2007-06-19 Thread Judy Ryder
>> The more, the better! >> > > I guess it wouldn't hurt to do that with Snorri even though I won't > actually be getting on him yet. Thank you, Kim! That would be wonderful! I think we'd enjoy seeing more pictures of Snorri, anyway! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com

Re: [IceHorses] Training to the Mounting Block

2007-06-19 Thread Judy Ryder
> Did you see my you-tube link earlier in the week > getting Andi to the mounting block? Kinda up close > since I took it, so I don't know if you can use it. Yes, I saw it. It's still good to use. Maybe you can, additionally, ask Mom to take some stills? And / or a short video a little furth

Re: [IceHorses] PNH and ISTR

2007-06-19 Thread pippa258
Judy Ryder wrote: > Let's take a look at the pros and cons of Parelli > Natural Horsmanship and icelandic style training and > riding. > > Anyone want to start? > Here are some quotes from someone who lives in Iceland and is studying Parelli (probably the only person). This person is not a sho

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Bits and Leverage

2007-06-19 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 19/06/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > thank you for the pointers. how do you reconcile the ones you chose > with, say, the picture i had? do you think that "icelandic riding" is > all one position, all one set of equipment, all one goal...? > > --vicka Where do you see the

Re: [IceHorses] Training to the Mounting Block

2007-06-19 Thread susan cooper
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wanda? Nancy? Karen? Susan? Kim? Who else is at > the > point of training to stand at the mounting block?<< Did you see my you-tube link earlier in the week getting Andi to the mounting block? Kinda up close since I took it, so I don't know if yo

Re: [IceHorses] Road Founder / Concussive Soring Practices

2007-06-19 Thread Judy Ryder
>> This is known as a "concussive soring practice". Not unknown to those >> training Icelandic Horses. > > I have never seen, heard any first hand account of anyone doing this to an > Icelandic. I've only seen claims here. > > I personally don't believe any trainers of Icelandic Horses are using

[IceHorses] Re: Scary weekend

2007-06-19 Thread djakni1
> > please think about using a HiTie or picket line/high line next time > you camp. there is NO 100% safe way to contain horses when camping. > but...IMHO portable electric corrals are the most UNsafe. > Yes, absolutely I will either use a highline or the trailer to confine him this weekend at

[IceHorses] Tried the Sensation finally

2007-06-19 Thread djakni1
So, amid all of my other excitement this week I finally received the Sensation dressage demo that I inquired about two months ago. The pros: Confortable to sit on I felt secure Stirrups have give, comfortable for knees Light weight Very secure on the horse The cons: Not crazy about the western

[IceHorses] evaluations

2007-06-19 Thread Docnshop2
The first guy in the nice black suit on the palamino horse is Gunnar Eggertsson. He owns Klakahorse Icelandics in Oklahoma. He and his wife (an American) are moving back to Iceland soon. Renee ** See what'

[IceHorses] Re: Training to the Mounting Block

2007-06-19 Thread kim morton
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It doesn't have to be clicker training. We promote > > any method of good horsemanship. Would be great to > > have pictures of you and Stjarni in a training > > article. > > > And anyone else! > > Wanda? Nancy? Kare

[IceHorses] Re: PNH and ISTR

2007-06-19 Thread kim morton
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Karen Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Let's take a look at the pros and cons of Parelli Natural Horsemanship > and icelandic style training and riding. Anyone want to start? > > Ok, before we get to ridingWAY before we get to riding...do we "le

Re: [IceHorses] Training to the Mounting Block

2007-06-19 Thread Judy Ryder
> It doesn't have to be clicker training. We promote > any method of good horsemanship. Would be great to > have pictures of you and Stjarni in a training > article. And anyone else! Wanda? Nancy? Karen? Susan? Kim? Who else is at the point of training to stand at the mounting block? The

Re: [IceHorses] Training to the Mounting Block

2007-06-19 Thread Judy Ryder
> but I need some pictures of > > an Icelandic Horse being trained to the mounting > block. Can anyone do that > > for me? > > does it have to be clicker training? stjarni and i > are working on this > again It doesn't have to be clicker training. We promote any method of good horsemans

Re: [IceHorses] Training to the Mounting Block

2007-06-19 Thread pyramid
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 04:31:55PM -0700, Judy Ryder wrote: > I have a page on training to the mounting block, but I need some pictures of > an Icelandic Horse being trained to the mounting block. Can anyone do that > for me? does it have to be clicker training? stjarni and i are working on t

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Bits and Leverage

2007-06-19 Thread pyramid
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 07:00:56PM -0400, Karen Thomas wrote: > i think for the sake of really trying to help the horses and not point > fingers and not take up for people just cause we admire them etc, lets > just take Gudmar's name out of it and just look at these pictures, at >

[IceHorses] Training to the Mounting Block

2007-06-19 Thread Judy Ryder
I have a page on training to the mounting block, but I need some pictures of an Icelandic Horse being trained to the mounting block. Can anyone do that for me? Here's the current page: http://iceryder.net/mountingblock.html Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com

Re: [IceHorses] Scary weekend

2007-06-19 Thread Lorraine
> > electric pen for grass and must have got zapped. He > shot forward at > a gallop heading towards the highway. > I am so glad you recovered him. That is scarey. My husband read in one of our horse magazines that those fences are danerous for that very reason. Happy Trails from Lori

[IceHorses] Re: Words Vs Reality

2007-06-19 Thread tolt674
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Nancy Sturm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: He said some things that were hard to swallow, suggesting to one rider that she throw her bag of "tools" at her horse until she found something that worked. I certainly do not profess to ride at their level, but

[IceHorses] Re: How do you pick riding instructors, trainers...?

2007-06-19 Thread tolt674
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Nancy Sturm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm very fussy about who rides my horses after they have been in training with me for awhile. It's not that I'm so good, I just think they're all autistic and become confused with conflicting aids. So, since mos

RE: [IceHorses] Re: Bits and Leverage

2007-06-19 Thread Karen Thomas
i think for the sake of really trying to help the horses and not point fingers and not take up for people just cause we admire them etc, lets just take Gudmar's name out of it and just look at these pictures, at the riders, the nosebands etc. I mean, is there room for improv

RE: [IceHorses] PNH and ISTR

2007-06-19 Thread Karen Thomas
Let's take a look at the pros and cons of Parelli Natural Horsemanship and icelandic style training and riding. Anyone want to start? Ok, before we get to ridingWAY before we get to riding...do we "leave 'em alone until they are four" or do we do some form of handling or imprinting of th

Re: [IceHorses] horse shopping PSA

2007-06-19 Thread IceDog
I personally don't believe any trainers of Icelandic Horses are using road founder to enhance gaits. > > This practice is sometimes known as "Ice Tolts." I have never heard of a horse that foundered from tolting on ice. Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic H

Re: [IceHorses] Scary weekend

2007-06-19 Thread Janice McDonald
On 6/19/07, IceDog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Raven, is a hitie one of those small plastic ring things you put on > > the tieline rope to keep knots from forming? > > I believe it is a swinging arm you permanently attach to your trailer. > > > Cheryl > well do those little ring things work??

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Bits and Leverage

2007-06-19 Thread Janice McDonald
i think for the sake of really trying to help the horses and not point fingers and not take up for people just cause we admire them etc, lets just take Gudmar's name out of it and just look at these pictures, at the riders, the nosebands etc. I mean, is there room for improvement or not... Janice

[IceHorses] PNH and ISTR

2007-06-19 Thread Judy Ryder
Let's take a look at the pros and cons of Parelli Natural Horsmanship and icelandic style training and riding. Anyone want to start? Judy http://iceryder.net

RE: [IceHorses] horse shopping PSA

2007-06-19 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> I personally don't believe any trainers of Icelandic Horses are using road >>> founder to enhance gaits. This practice is sometimes known as "Ice Tolts." Karen Thomas, NC

Re: [IceHorses] horse shopping PSA

2007-06-19 Thread IceDog
> This is known as a "concussive soring practice". Not unknown to those > training Icelandic Horses. I have never seen, heard any first hand account of anyone doing this to an Icelandic. I've only seen claims here. I've saved a POA cross from road founder in all fours, definitely did not enhan

Re: [IceHorses] Scary weekend

2007-06-19 Thread IceDog
> Raven, is a hitie one of those small plastic ring things you put on > the tieline rope to keep knots from forming? I believe it is a swinging arm you permanently attach to your trailer. Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EM

RE: [IceHorses] Re: Bits and Leverage

2007-06-19 Thread Karen Thomas
So we need to be cautious we don't start for instance, riding sitting back on the horse's tail dock in an effort to be as much like Gudmar as possible! >> erm. i have never seen gudmar do this. do you have a picture Here are some recent ones. These were taken at the 2007 evaluations that

RE: [IceHorses] Pictures of Evaluations

2007-06-19 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> Who are the riders in the pictures? I didn't recognize a couple of the riders, but I'm pretty sure Gudmar was one of the main riders, and Sigrun I believe. Karen Thomas, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [IceHorses] horse

2007-06-19 Thread Nancy Sturm
Thank you for what you have done for this mare. She's really a pretty thing. I can't believe anyone could have let her get so very thin. Nancy

Re: [IceHorses] Scary weekend

2007-06-19 Thread Janice McDonald
Raven, is a hitie one of those small plastic ring things you put on the tieline rope to keep knots from forming? Janice-- yipie tie yie yo

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Bits and Leverage

2007-06-19 Thread Robyn Schulze
"parelli" people who are fonder of the > "games" than their horses are. your observational mileage may vary. HA! Well said Vicka! Robyn

Re: [IceHorses] Scary weekend

2007-06-19 Thread Raven
>>almost lost my gelding this weekend. Deacon escaped from our campsite at dusk, crossed a highway, and made it more than 5 miles before he stopped in a yard and some teenagers caught him. thank the goddess that they found him~!!! >> Deacon was reaching under his electric pen for grass and m

Re: [IceHorses] Eating dirt?

2007-06-19 Thread Raven
>>I've heard some horses don't get enough salt from the blocks and should be given loose salt yep...huginn also gets salt on his dinner meal. >> I remember reading about another type of loose salt good for Icelandics maybe something from HorseTec ?

Re: [IceHorses] Eating dirt?

2007-06-19 Thread IceDog
It seems I've heard that eating dirt can be a sign of ulcers? Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com

Re: [IceHorses] horse shopping PSA

2007-06-19 Thread Judy Ryder
> a horse can have "road founder" where perscussive footfall on a hard > surface tears the laminae and the horse founders. Some terrible > disreputable gaited horse people will deliberately induce this as a > sort of "invisible" soring method which makes the horse want to pick > up its feet high a

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Bits and Leverage

2007-06-19 Thread pyramid
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 11:38:38AM -0500, Janice McDonald wrote: > > well, there's another question. where did you get this idea? how many > > icelanders do you know personally? are any of them "ordinary" horse > > people, or is it all travel brochures, the horse show scene, and this > > list? >

[IceHorses] Scary weekend

2007-06-19 Thread djakni1
I almost lost my gelding this weekend. Deacon escaped from our campsite at dusk, crossed a highway, and made it more than 5 miles before he stopped in a yard and some teenagers caught him. We were camping alone in the national forest and I had made plans to meet up with some locals from the

Re: [IceHorses] horse shopping PSA / Nosebands

2007-06-19 Thread Judy Ryder
>> i know but honestly its really not much worse than clamping off a >> horse's air supply with a tight tight noseband like they do icelandics >> so often! > > I know with soring they want the horse to be sore so that it steps > high. Is there a benefit to the way a horse tolts if the oxygen > sup

Re: [IceHorses] Eating dirt?

2007-06-19 Thread Janice McDonald
i hate to lose expensive minerals in the rain too. If I feel certain its gonna rain I dont put it out or in the feed that day/feeding. I keep a tub with a snap on lid next to my feedbin that keeps moisture out and I put stuff i want to stay dry in it. Scissors, a knife, a flashlite, gloves, mine

Re: [IceHorses] Eating dirt?

2007-06-19 Thread Janice McDonald
> I've heard some horses don't get enough salt from the blocks and > should be given loose salt. I put about a teaspoon on their beetpulp > am and pm and they have a block. I was thinking about putting out > loose salt. I did in the past, but even in the corner of the run in > it was constantl

Re: [IceHorses] Eating dirt?

2007-06-19 Thread Anna Hopkins
On 6/18/07, Raven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Huginn has both as well as a pan of loose salt. He is also getting a > daily vitamin supplement. I've heard some horses don't get enough salt from the blocks and should be given loose salt. I put about a teaspoon on their beetpulp am and pm and the

RE: [IceHorses] gas colic

2007-06-19 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi Janice, >count to five as you slowly release isnt that right? I would >have to check my book. Janice The counting is so that you release slowly, and the slower the release often the more relief. Some horses seem to appreciate the (gentle) support of the towel - even up to 30 seconds befo

RE: [IceHorses] How do you pick riding instructors, trainers...?

2007-06-19 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi Nancy >I have been to clinics or audited clinics where I had not seen the >instructor ride, but those have been well-known instructors: Donna Snyder >Smith, for instance. Of course depending on the number of horse/riders and the length of the clinic it is not always reasonable for the clinic

Re: [IceHorses] How do you pick riding instructors, trainers...?

2007-06-19 Thread Judy Ryder
how do most people on the list pick riding instructors or > trainers? I think one thing to consider when chosing an instructor (clinician, trainer, etc.) is not to support, in any way, especially financially, someone who hurts horses... particulary for a ribbon or a score. It is not ethic

Re: [IceHorses] gas colic

2007-06-19 Thread Janice McDonald
dont forget the counting part! Dont you count to five? Press, hold, count to five as you slowly release isnt that right? I would have to check my book. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo

Re: [IceHorses] Pictures of Evaluations

2007-06-19 Thread Judy Ryder
There have been some pictures posted on other lists taken at the evaluations held in the USA a couple of weeks ago. I saw nosebands digging into the soft tissue of the horse's noses - a couple of the pictures were posted by the horse's owner, who apparently saw nothing wron

RE: [IceHorses] gas colic

2007-06-19 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi >How much pressure do you use with your fingertips? How long do you hold >and then release? That depends on the sensitivity of your horse. It is definitely a press, release, or a curling with the fingertips with a release. If you just press into anything it just presses against. You can

Re: [IceHorses] horse shopping PSA

2007-06-19 Thread Janice McDonald
On 6/19/07, Anna Hopkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/18/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > i know but honestly its really not much worse than clamping off a > > horse's air supply with a tight tight noseband like they do icelandics > > so often! > > > I know with soring they

Re: [IceHorses] gas colic

2007-06-19 Thread pippa258
Robyn Hood wrote: > Belly lifts - with a folded towel or your flat hand, as described on the > card that Ann sent (I can send a pdf and send it to the group if you can't > read the card). > Thanks, Robin. The card came through just fine from Ann though... > Raising the back - using the finge

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Bits and Leverage

2007-06-19 Thread Janice McDonald
On 6/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 09:22:50AM -0500, Janice McDonald wrote: > > well maybe thats the ticket, we need to define it. What IS > > "traditional Icelandic Training" to you? > > > > To me, it is sort of a bad connotation, meaning horses rid

Re: [IceHorses] horse

2007-06-19 Thread Pam Hansen
: >>> http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f74/hansenshorses/fanny4.jpg <<< Sorry, my computer wasn't working right so I didn't know if a pic was posted. Here is a before and after pic of an arab mare my neighbors were starving and I bought for a spring summer project. She still needs weight but

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Bits and Leverage

2007-06-19 Thread Janice McDonald
On 6/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 09:22:50AM -0500, Janice McDonald wrote: > > well maybe thats the ticket, we need to define it. What IS > > "traditional Icelandic Training" to you? > > > > To me, it is sort of a bad connotation, meaning horses rid

Re: [IceHorses] gas colic

2007-06-19 Thread Janice McDonald
also I have found it doesnt have to be just a great tool for lifting the back or colic etc., they seem to like it. It mjst feel good. Sometimes if you are waiting in line at an event or large ride or something and they are nervous this really works to relax and calm them, also those little fingert

Re: [IceHorses] horse shopping PSA

2007-06-19 Thread Anna Hopkins
On 6/18/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i know but honestly its really not much worse than clamping off a > horse's air supply with a tight tight noseband like they do icelandics > so often! I know with soring they want the horse to be sore so that it steps high. Is there a ben

RE: [IceHorses] How do you pick riding instructors, trainers...?

2007-06-19 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi Karen, Actually I really like to ride horses because I am often amazed at how well people are doing sometimes when I get on their horse. It is easy to stand on the ground and give suggestions but once you ride a horse I find it helps me give much better suggestions or in some cases just show p

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Bits and Leverage

2007-06-19 Thread pyramid
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 09:22:50AM -0500, Janice McDonald wrote: > well maybe thats the ticket, we need to define it. What IS > "traditional Icelandic Training" to you? > > To me, it is sort of a bad connotation, meaning horses ridden in tight > nosebands and weighted boots, too small saddles wit

Re: [IceHorses] Evaluations - My own evaluaiton of Melnir

2007-06-19 Thread pyramid
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 08:04:03AM -0500, Janice McDonald wrote: > i might go to a show saturday! I think I will take Tivar to do trail > obstacle! it is a local schooling show about a hundred miles from me > in Tallahassee. A friend is going and wants me to go too. have a blast! :) --vicka

Re: [IceHorses] How do you pick riding instructors, trainers...?

2007-06-19 Thread KT
I am not sure how you could help someone with the gaits without riding their horse unless the horse was extremely uncomplicated and the rider was able to get clean consistent, relaxed gaits. IME, there are very few Icelandics that are exactly the same in their gaits and until you

RE: [IceHorses] gas colic

2007-06-19 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi > What are the TTouch belly lifts? Is this where you place fingertips up > under the belly and press till they lift their back? How hard do you > press and for how long (till you get gurgles)? We have two different back exercises that involve the horse's belly. One is Belly lifts - with a f

Re: [IceHorses] How do you pick riding instructors, trainers...?

2007-06-19 Thread Janice McDonald
On 6/19/07, Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IME, there are very few Icelandics > that are exactly the same in their gaits and until you ride them you can't > really tell. > > Robyn Hood > boy aint that the truth! In fact you can even take "icelandic" out of there and apply it to all bre

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Bits and Leverage

2007-06-19 Thread Janice McDonald
well maybe thats the ticket, we need to define it. What IS "traditional Icelandic Training" to you? To me, it is sort of a bad connotation, meaning horses ridden in tight nosebands and weighted boots, too small saddles with the rider sitting too far back on the loins causing pain, but mainly, the

Re: [IceHorses] How do you pick riding instructors, trainers...?

2007-06-19 Thread Janice McDonald
On 6/19/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm very fussy about who rides my horses after they have been in training > with me for awhile. When we were at a large boarding facility many years i was the adult the kids liked to hang with. And we would go to the arena and just hang ou

Re: [IceHorses] Description

2007-06-19 Thread Janice McDonald
I have a comment. I own another breed of horse that is a very very very small gene pool, like 600 in the world. (some twhbea people argue they are just a bloodline of walking horses but actually they were before walkers... but anyway) the pure ones, are a very small gene pool. line bred all the

Re: [IceHorses] Evaluations - My own evaluaiton of Melnir

2007-06-19 Thread Janice McDonald
i might go to a show saturday! I think I will take Tivar to do trail obstacle! it is a local schooling show about a hundred miles from me in Tallahassee. A friend is going and wants me to go too. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo

Re: [IceHorses] Eating dirt?

2007-06-19 Thread Janice McDonald
I have found in general my icelandics use (and must need) more salt and minerals than my others. I thought it was that they had longer fur in winter and sweated more but in summer its worse and if I dont have it out constantly available they start chewing trees real bad. Janice -- yipie tie yie y

Re: [IceHorses] Our first first: we ain't virgins no more!!

2007-06-19 Thread Cherie Mascis
Hurray Susan! Congrats on your first ride. That's very exciting! Cherie

Re: [IceHorses] Scooter in the Pines

2007-06-19 Thread Lorraine
> > I LOVE the nose sticking out of the trailer! We > sure > do have some good looking horses on this list! > > Susan in NV > > Happy High Desert Trails > Oh good it worked. I finally found a way to send pictures to the group. Yeah. Happy Trails from Lori __

[IceHorses] Fawn on a hike in KY

2007-06-19 Thread lorvoog
We hiked to the top of a hill and spooked a deer. Her baby was playing dead in the grass. You're invited to view these photos online at KODAK EASYSHARE Gallery! Just click on View Photos to get started. http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=dhvd1vg.mtd6kt8&x=1&y=b8vh1b If you'd like to

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