Re: [IceHorses] To train for natural gait

2007-09-11 Thread Skye and Sally ~Fire Island
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>Anyone know if there are icelandic-style trainers that train for > natural > >>gait? > > > I don't know of any particularly - most of them do aim for tolt. > > However, some trainers here, if the horse does not show any > ability or > > aptitud

RE: [IceHorses] KY Icelandic show

2007-09-11 Thread Robyn Hood
There is no rule requiring nosebands in FIRO (sport competition rules) Phil Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com -Original Message- From: IceHorses@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September

[IceHorses] Elska and Farrier

2007-09-11 Thread Docnshop2
Coats already??? It is still in the 90s in dry North Carolina. I am jealous. Renee ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

[IceHorses] KY Icelandic show

2007-09-11 Thread Docnshop2
Hello Judy, Gudmar was walking around talking to everyone. I actually asked him if I could show without a noseband and he said "I don't think so." I then asked several other people (I was not able to talk to one of the judges before the class as they were out in the ring) and they als

Re: [IceHorses] New Horse!

2007-09-11 Thread Lorraine
> > There's a couple different ones: > Oh my gosh. The Palomino looks like Harley. Cute Lorraine Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.c

Re: [IceHorses] New Horse!

2007-09-11 Thread Debbie K.
Thanks Judy, there is a place I drive by everyday that has them, a florest, thank you -- Debbie in MN ~ Please check out how we can all help raise money for Huginn's Hospital Fund ~ http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgtrq74d_386xtqp ~~~If we all do a little, we will have a lot~

RE: [IceHorses] Re: Alex the African Gray: O/T

2007-09-11 Thread Karen Thomas
I can't remember everything Smokey says either, since she can recombine words into phrases as she pleases. Smokey can answer, "What does a dog say?" (Woof.) "What does the kitty say?" (Meow) "What does Crackers say?" (wkkk - the happy macaw sound) I should add that sometimes she li

Re: [IceHorses] New Horse!

2007-09-11 Thread Judy Ryder
>I want one! Does she have a TWIN??? There's a couple different ones: http://www.premierkites.com/pages/windgrdn/animals.htm Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com

Re: [IceHorses] Foxes/Coyotes

2007-09-11 Thread Nancy Sturm
Boy, so were ours. I feed at 5:00 am, pitch dark, and there was a regular chorus going on out there. Nancy

RE: [IceHorses] Re: Alex the African Gray: O/T

2007-09-11 Thread Karen Thomas
Sometimes vets like to be negative, but I had one tell me that many of them she saw didn't live past 8 or 9 years old. I'd bet that's probably true. While they can live a long time, a notable number escape, get injured by other pets, or get infections. And a lot of people try to hand feed

Re: [IceHorses] New Horse!

2007-09-11 Thread Debbie K.
I want one! Does she have a TWIN??? Debbie in MN ~ Please check out how we can all help raise money for Huginn's Hospital Fund ~ http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgtrq74d_386xtqp ~~~If we all do a little, we will have a lot

Re: [IceHorses] To train for natural gait

2007-09-11 Thread Judy Ryder
>>>he did give a foxtrot the other day, she was happy > that he was showing a soft gait and did not try to "clean" it > up. Does she plan to encourage the fox trot? It's a good thing to do to build on one gait and get it consistently before moving onto another. It builds up different muscle

Re: [IceHorses] To train for natural gait

2007-09-11 Thread Judy Ryder
>>Anyone know if there are icelandic-style trainers that train for natural >>gait? > I don't know of any particularly - most of them do aim for tolt. > However, some trainers here, if the horse does not show any ability or > aptitude for gait, are happy to accept them as 3 gaited. Do any of the

Re: [IceHorses] New Horse!

2007-09-11 Thread Lorraine
> We have a new horse! She's bay, lots of chrome, > pretty light, and flies! > > Wow. Great. Can't wait to see him or her in person. LOL. Lorraine Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Intern

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Alex the African Gray: O/T

2007-09-11 Thread Judy Ryder
> figures out that he does not like it, he will shake his head no when > I offer it to him. He does have requests sometimes, when I put his > food in the other day he said "Pasta?", it wasn't, but I went and > bought him some, he also sometimes requests "Pizza" and "Want to eat > some beans":)If I

Re: [IceHorses] Foxes/Coyotes

2007-09-11 Thread Ferne Fedeli
On 9/10/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was hiking up on our mountain once and looked down on the flat farm land > below us There were two coyotes pouncing and playing chasing some kind of > rodent and two deer grazing calmly quite near them. I know coyotes kill > fawns, but the

RE: [IceHorses] My horse Harley-advice

2007-09-11 Thread Lorraine
> At least that's Cary's version. I don't think I'm > QUITE that picky. :) > > Hilarious. It makes me think though. We are riding tomorrow. I can see how she handles him. Lorraine Got a little

Re: [IceHorses] My horse Harley-advice

2007-09-11 Thread Lorraine
> This brings up a good question - how do all of you > "vet" a potential > buyer for a horse that you have decided to sell? > I made the mistake of selling my Arab to a friend of mine just getting into horses. I went to check on him and it was 101 out and he had no water. I took him back the ne

RE: [IceHorses] Alex the African Gray: O/T

2007-09-11 Thread Karen Thomas
Until fairly recently (12-15 years ago), most parrots were often wild-caught adult imports (age unknown), I always heard that most imported were probably young, since mature birds are much harder to catch...Who really knows? Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing

Re: [IceHorses] New Horse!

2007-09-11 Thread Nancy Sturm
Judy, You should have done a pre-purchase. She looks "off" to me. Actually, I love her. Very nice indeed. Nancy

RE: [IceHorses] My horse Harley-advice

2007-09-11 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> This brings up a good question - how do all of you "vet" a potential buyer for a horse that you have decided to sell? I'm usually happy with a showing of 8-years of 1040-forms, six references from various members of the clergy, 20-years of vet receipts for all the animals you've owned in that

[IceHorses] Re: The coyote enters the Majan Empire

2007-09-11 Thread Kim Morton
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Robyn Schulze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9/10/07, Laree Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Also, they said these dogs are raised to do a job > > and are not cuddly pets to bring indoors. Some of the breeds are not > > wired to need huge amounts of huma

[IceHorses] Re: Alex the African Gray: O/T

2007-09-11 Thread Kim Morton
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Karen Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >- so he's probably in the 25-30-ish year range, maybe even older. I > was shocked when the avian vet told us that Crackers is the oldest of his > clients, and by a good bit. So, I'm pretty comfortable that Alex was

RE: [IceHorses] Alex the African Gray: O/T

2007-09-11 Thread Cherie Mascis
>>> How sad. Isn't 31 young for a parrot to die?>> We had a macaw at Busch Gardens that was 87, and had several 40-60 year olds. There was one cockatoo that the San Diego zoo had that was just over 100 when it died. The smaller parrots-grays and amazons have lived 50-60 years but that is a high-

Re: [IceHorses] To train for natural gait

2007-09-11 Thread Skye and Sally ~Fire Island
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyone know if there are icelandic-style trainers that train for > natural > gait? > > Robyn? Skye? Mic? Malin? Kristin? > > > Judy Well good question. The trainer I work with here has taught in Iceland, but she has so many different tec

Re: [IceHorses] Hawaii foals / Videos

2007-09-11 Thread Skye and Sally ~Fire Island
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can you watch the videos now? I can but it takes too long to load on my laptop, I have to use my super fast desktop, but I only use that when the sun is up or the generator is on, and most of my emailing is done in the early am with my coffee...

[IceHorses] Foot Flicking

2007-09-11 Thread Judy Ryder
You will see foot flicking at the competitions, shows, and evaluations of Icelandic Horses, particularly those ridden and trained ISRT (icelandic-style riding and training). This style of riding can give a horse long-term unsoundness issues, possible back and leg problems, which may not outward

Re: [IceHorses] My horse Harley-advice

2007-09-11 Thread pyramid
On Tue, Sep 11, 2007 at 12:31:09PM -0400, Laree Shulman wrote: > This brings up a good question - how do all of you "vet" a potential > buyer for a horse that you have decided to sell? this might not work for the never-had-a-horse buyer, but for siamese cat rescue we get their vet as a reference a

Re: [IceHorses] KY Icelandic Show

2007-09-11 Thread Judy Ryder
>>>I was told last year that I had to put a noseband on her Any idea why they would require a noseband? Who insisted on it? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com

Re: [IceHorses] Leslie Desmond / CA / Oct 13-14

2007-09-11 Thread Ann Cassidy
On 9/11/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there anyone in Northern California that could provide an arena for > Leslie to do a demo? She had one scheduled in Napa, but lost the venue. I will check around as there may be a place in Petaluma, not too far from Napa. Ann

Re: [IceHorses] My horse Harley-advice

2007-09-11 Thread Laree Shulman
On 9/11/07, Lorraine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > try her, they do something to piss me off and I send > > them packing! She is still for sale as far as my > > husband knows but... In the meantime, since I > > > That is funny. This girl has never had a horse before > but claims she has been r

Re: [IceHorses] Lesson on steep hills

2007-09-11 Thread susan cooper
--- Laree Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does this make sense?- Riding Doppa downhill is > really tough for her > and me - she doesn't want to get her rear end under > her and "sit down" > to go downhill, therefore she also wants to rush > because it's hard. << It is easier for a horse to

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Kentucky Icelandic Horse Show

2007-09-11 Thread IceDog
> A broken mouthed shanked bit is quite severe Typically the icelandic bit doesn't have a "purchase" to speak of. I am not sure how much of difference this makes in potential for severity over a shanked bit with a purchase, but I don't doubt that it does make a difference. I'm not saying

Re: [IceHorses] white hairs

2007-09-11 Thread IceDog
> That sounds really quick for white hairs to come in. Usually, it takes > consistent pressure over time for white hairs to come in. I think the damage that causes white hairs can happen fairly quickly. IME it's the appearance of the white hairs that may be delayed until the growth of the new c

[IceHorses] Leslie Desmond / CA / Oct 13-14

2007-09-11 Thread Judy Ryder
Is there anyone in Northern California that could provide an arena for Leslie to do a demo? She had one scheduled in Napa, but lost the venue. Thanks! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com

Re: [IceHorses] My horse Harley-advice

2007-09-11 Thread Laree Shulman
I will > see. Thanks. I could handle 3 horses. I always use the test question - would this horse be better off with me or will this person offer them more in time and attention? Applying that question has always made the decision easier for me - whether it's to keep them or sell them. -- Lar

Re: [IceHorses] Lesson on steep hills

2007-09-11 Thread Laree Shulman
> Way to go Susan! I can't imagine steep descents and sand. Does this make sense?- Riding Doppa downhill is really tough for her and me - she doesn't want to get her rear end under her and "sit down" to go downhill, therefore she also wants to rush because it's hard. I have always felt it's beca

Re: [IceHorses] How Can You Tell

2007-09-11 Thread Nancy Sturm
You're absolutely right. We always stay overnight and go home the next day. I can't believe the folks who just load up the horses and head off home - unless they live right around the corner. Usually by Sunday morning, half the rigs have pulled out. Our group also leaves on Thursday for a Saturd

Re: [IceHorses] My horse Harley-advice

2007-09-11 Thread Lorraine
> try her, they do something to piss me off and I send > them packing! She is still for sale as far as my > husband knows but... In the meantime, since I That is funny. This girl has never had a horse before but claims she has been riding all her life. I will see. Thanks. I could handle 3

Re: [IceHorses] Re: bitless, hackamores, etc

2007-09-11 Thread Nancy Sturm
That's funny Laree. Our grandaughter-in-law was a very successful trainer of hunter ponies before she fully switched to Warmbloods. She says well-meaning people would come up to her at shows and politely suggest that she had outgrown her pony. She's very light and slim, but was beginning to ge

Re: [IceHorses] Lesson on steep hills

2007-09-11 Thread Nancy Sturm
Way to go Susan! I can't imagine steep descents and sand. Your horses should get really tough .Going down steep hills has always been a problem for me - until Hunter. He came out of the box as the best downhill horse I've ever been on. He drops his hind quarters, I drop the reins and down we g

Re: [IceHorses] Re: bitless, hackamores, etc

2007-09-11 Thread Laree Shulman
Thanks Everyone - I really appreciate the response. I realized this weekend I had only a vague idea of the differences and often times when riding in the sidepull you get the question - "is that a bitless bridle/hackamore/bosal?" and it will be nice to be able to give a more educated answer. It

Re: [IceHorses] How Can You Tell

2007-09-11 Thread Laree Shulman
a > > > How about transporting to an event during undiagnosed soreness or lameness? One thing that was a little negative to me when I scribed for the vets at an endurance event was at the end of the endurance ride, when these horses had been ridden hard for 50 miles and were really tired, they w

[IceHorses] Re: Too Much, Too Soon / Ulcers

2007-09-11 Thread Krista
I have a horse that had stomach ulcers. She was depressed looking, she would kick up when we girthed the saddle. So for awhile we had our vet come and give her a B-12 shot, that would pick her up for alittle while, we tryed that a few times, then she lost interest in her grain, she was still re

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Too Much, Too Soon / Ulcers

2007-09-11 Thread Janice McDonald
On 9/11/07, dawn_atherton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Karen Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > When the vet sedated him for the floating, she found the first > clue: there were deep and old ulcers on each side of his mouth, right > at the inside corners of hi

Re: [IceHorses] The coyote enters the Majan Empire

2007-09-11 Thread Janice McDonald
the donkey security department works great. HOWEVER, the animals disappearing are from my yard, not my pasture, and I cant let curly ray walk around all nite in the yard. For one, the pasture would be unprotected, and also, he would eat my qumquat tree and roses because I smacked him for it once

Re: [IceHorses] Kentucky Icelandic Horse Show

2007-09-11 Thread pyramid
On Tue, Sep 11, 2007 at 07:13:23AM -0400, Karen Thomas wrote: > > i'm currently working on making adjustments to my treeless saddle, as > stjarni's winter coat is coming in with some white hairs underneath where > the free-swing stirrup "butterfly piece" lies, indicating rubbing or > soreness,

Re: [IceHorses] Kentucky Icelandic Horse Show

2007-09-11 Thread pyramid
On Tue, Sep 11, 2007 at 08:28:22AM +0100, Mic Rushen wrote: > On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:34:16 -0600, you wrote: > >sometimes transitioning a horse from shoes to barefoot takes > >a long time. > > And sometimes, it's not possible at all, depending on the horse, where > he's ridden, and the conditions

Re: [IceHorses] Kentucky Icelandic Horse Show

2007-09-11 Thread pyramid
On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 10:34:16PM -0600, Wanda Lauscher wrote: > Hi Vicka, sometimes transitioning a horse from shoes to barefoot takes > a long time. Especially if they've worn shoes for a very long time. > Boots may help him while he transittions. *nod* i may end up buying him boots. right

[IceHorses] Lesson on steep hills

2007-09-11 Thread susan cooper
My neighbor and I went out to do some hill work on Sunday. She is a 3 Day Eventer and an instructor. We hit some hills that I have only looked at for the past 7 years. They have always been pretty intimidating to me. They are steep, probably about 55* to 60* incline. Soft sand. We did a less

RE: [IceHorses] Re: Too Much, Too Soon / Ulcers

2007-09-11 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> -Wow, any idea on what caused them? If they were on the inside corners of his lip, does that mean that a dropped noseband could have possibly caused it, or caused him more pain? No idea. He was "away" at training when the symptoms first started, so who knows. He was five at the

[IceHorses] Re: bitless, hackamores, etc

2007-09-11 Thread dawn_atherton
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Laree Shulman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At least I got across the point that most horses will do quitewell without a bit if they are trained well. > Laree --That's really cool Laree! I had the opportunity to show the owner of the Tennessee

[IceHorses] Re: Too Much, Too Soon / Ulcers

2007-09-11 Thread dawn_atherton
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Karen Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When the vet sedated him for the floating, she found the first clue: there were deep and old ulcers on each side of his mouth, right at the inside corners of his lip. Based on the scarring, she guessed that they had b

RE: [IceHorses] Kentucky Icelandic Horse Show

2007-09-11 Thread Karen Thomas
> i'm currently working on making adjustments to my treeless saddle, as stjarni's winter coat is coming in with some white hairs underneath where the free-swing stirrup "butterfly piece" lies, indicating rubbing or soreness, although he still is never tense there under massage. That sounds re

RE: [IceHorses] Re: Too Much, Too Soon / Ulcers

2007-09-11 Thread Karen Thomas
Karen, can you recap a little about ulcers... how to tell if your horse has them, symptoms, what to do, etc. I assumed when I agreed to take Tivar that he would have back issues. His symptoms were a sour attitude, and a tendency to buck, although he'd never bucked hard enough to unseat a ri

Re: [IceHorses] Kentucky Icelandic Horse Show

2007-09-11 Thread Mic Rushen
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:34:16 -0600, you wrote: >sometimes transitioning a horse from shoes to barefoot takes >a long time. And sometimes, it's not possible at all, depending on the horse, where he's ridden, and the conditions he's kept in (for instance, in areas with high, frequent rainfall so th