Atli doesn't like indoor arenas either.
He had two runaway Icelandic run into him while he was a youngster the same
day.
One during a semi private lesson when the owner panicked which lead to a
bolt.
Another during a costume class when the "helmet" covered the riders eyes
which lead to a bolt
Robyn, warm thoughts for your mom and your family.
Cheryl
Icelandic Sheepdogs & Icelandic Horses
www.sandcreekicelandics.com
Funny Grey Story...
Last weekend a family came with their 3 yo daughter to pick a puppy.
We visited a bit with the rambunctious puppies.
Then the little girl saw Joey our rescue (abused) Congo Grey.
She put her face up near the cage where Joey sat. Now Joey who never utters
a word in the prese
> Noas much as I loved Marty, his coat was tremendous and took three
> to four sessions a year at the groomers at $100 each visit.
Sorry to hear you lost Marty Wanda.
As much as we love Bruneau we have decided we won't get another newf when he
is gone.
Bruneau will be 10 years old in 2 mont
OMG!! Hilarious!
Bill had to park at the end of our 800' driveway last night when he got home
from work (not the first time this winter), walk through the snow drifts to
the house to get the snow blower to cut a path.
I have to take the puppies to the vet for health certificates tomorrow he's
> That's not what I'd guess he's saying either - not that I understand
> German
> swear words...
I don't think they're in German! :o)
Cheryl
Icelandic Sheepdogs & Icelandic Horses
www.sandcreekicelandics.com
> Look at her go sans bit on a loose rein and I'm thinking she
> might be barefoot too. That is what NATURAL GAIT looks like.
I don't think Nanna has ever been shod.
Some may remember when Nanna won an Open 2 Gait Class at the EIGHA Gaited
Horse Show. There were 22 or some gaited horses of all
> Where would you buy that?
I don't see them offered through the cataloges so many they're not available
anymore?
Cheryl
Icelandic Sheepdogs & Icelandic Horses
www.sandcreekicelandics.com
My kids are grown, but back when... all the schools cancelled in our area
but ours. I dutifully got the kids to school inspite of law enforcement
telling everyone to stay home!
Got home and heard on the radio... our school had finally decided to cancel,
gr!
Picked up my daughter at Junior
Flexi makes a retractable lunge line. I don't know if I'd use one for a lead,
but they're okay as a lunge line.
Cheryl
Icelandic Sheepdogs & Icelandic Horses
www.sandcreekicelandics.com
> Well, that's 69" which computes to the woman being 17.2 at
> the top of her head. How much below the level of her head
> are the horse's withers?
Actually it's 17.1 hands. And I doubt she's barefoot so you can likely add
and inch putting her at about 70".
5.3 hands is 63" so a differnce of ap
It seems few are willing (basically no one these days) to offer an opinion as
to what gait anymore.
My guess is because of statements made degrading those that according to the
self proclaimed expert label a gait wrong.
Stiffles discussion and learning.
Cheryl
> Not the speed, but the timing of the legs.
Looks like the horse adjusted it's movement for a stride or two to rebalance
under a the rider.
Cheryl
Icelandic Sheepdogs & Icelandic Horses
www.sandcreekicelandics.com
> Did you see the difference in timing of the legs,
> before and after the switch to the cantle seat?
It appeared to me the horse took a quicker step or two (to rebalance under a
moving rider) and then settled back into the previous gait/speed.
Cheryl
Icelandic Sheepdogs & Icelandic Horses
www.
> In the video, at about 5:35 marker in time, you can see the
> rider lift up off the saddle and sit on the cantle to get the gait:
Looks to me like the horse was already gaiting.
My guess is it's just as likely he lifted up to free up a squashed testicle.
Cheryl
Icelandic Sheepdogs & Icelandic
> She is working towards getting Undri ready to be evaluated
> but done from developing him with Connected Riding and
> TTEAM - he may not get the highest scores but maybe it
> will give an example of a different type of riding and
> development of the horse.
Robyn & Mandy that is very exciting! I
Fun Bia!
Farsælt Komandi Ár!
Cheryl
Icelandic Sheepdogs & Icelandic Horses
www.sandcreekicelandics.com
> You can also see all the
> roan-like coloring on her face
I have some of that "roan like" coloring as do my older girls.
:o)
Farsælt Komandi Ár!
Cheryl
Icelandic Sheepdogs & Icelandic Horses
www.sandcreekicelandics.com
> The attached photo I took today of the garage/workshop where I'm
> planning to put 2 stalls in for Gat & Orri.
The concrete is very slippery!
Besides rubber the mats in their stalls you'll want a rubber matted pathway
to the stall if there is more than a foot or so of concrete to walk over to
Hi Renee,
I have a litter right now
www.toltallyice.com/Cilia2007Litter.html
I'll hopefully get new photos up tomorrow or Saturday--- I have to babysit
the grandkids tomorrow. I'd planned to get new photos today but the lighting
wasn't great.
Gleðileg Jól og Farsælt Komandi Ár!
Cheryl
S
> Would love to do one with my parrots, but I can't get their heads
> to work right :(
How's this
http://www.elfyourself.com/?id=1475325864
I couldn't find good photos of my greys so just these two.
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs
website: www.toltallyic
There big screen tv is the computer monitor.
>
> Wooo-hooo! Big screen! I haven't seen any of the videos on a big screen
> TV. Do they look OK?
Yes, it really looked quite good.
Funny, at first I thought he was asking "why was that horse balking", and I
couldn't figure out why he thought
>I just sneaked out in the pre-dawn cold to put Stephanie's huge red
> three-wheeled adaptive Christmas bicycle in the extra stall in the barn.
> Yrsa was standing in the hall and thought the bike was very interesting.
> She dropped her head for a good look and walked slowly up to sniff.
> What a
> - it offends me to hear someone berate an entire state.
How about an entire country?
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs
website: www.toltallyice.com
> i parked a bike in view of the paddock and it didnt help when a bike
> came along on the trail,. I guess a horse sees a bike parked way
> different than a bike being ridden :)
Some of the trails here are shared with mountain bikers. Once while on an
elk bugle trail ride near Yellowstone a quie
Okay I've always wanted chickens, but Bill says no way. Even though he loved
the chickens he cared for as a kid. You guys are making me so envious with
all your chicken talk!
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs
website: www.toltallyice.com
> I am going to have my husband(when it stops
> raining) to walk with me.
Lorraine, when I got my first horse (a MFT and my daughter had a pony) Bill
used to frequently ride his bike out with me.
We weren't alone and Meshack got used to bikes!
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses & Ic
it is an executable attachment, potential for virus, so my computer won't
even give me the option to open it, thank you!
I am sure I have it set up to not allow .exe attachments to be opened and
could no doubt override the decision, but no thank you.
:o)
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic
> Excellent idea! My two stalls in my barn are pipe corral panels.
> They work great.
It is a great idea Virginia!
I've used portable panels for many years without incidence.
I would suggest making an area for each horse if it will be small, or as
large as possible if the two will be together
I'm a Great Dane too.
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs
website: www.toltallyice.com
> I'd clarify though, that there are other causes for pain,
> that shoes can help - some horses get pain relief from
> shoes when they have navicular, and my horses certainly
> were made more comfortable with shoes as treatment
> for their laminitis attacks.
IMHO navicular is almost entirely a man
On my wildlife webpage you can see a collage of a bat we rescued from the
dogs recently.
www.toltallyice.com/Wildlife.html
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs
website: www.toltallyice.com
> $1000.00 for 100 feet! I guess I'll walk the hose and bring it in the
> house when we get below 20 F.
I used to bring my hose inside inbetween uses in the winter. Big hassle, big
wet, snowy hose!
Now I just drain it well and leave in on the ground between the tap
(unhooked of course) and the
> What a darling! I do think you can deserve to sleep now!
Thanks Lorraine & Ferne!
I think my sleep bank is almost repaid! :o)
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs
website: www.toltallyice.com
> A favorite story in my family is the one where my aunt made a nice hot
> mustard plaster for the chest of her husband, who had a bad cold.
I've had more than one mustard plaster in my life, although I remember my
mother putting something between the plaster and our skin.
Cheryl
Sand Creek Ic
> i think that many ponies are mishandled that way, icelandic or not.
> it's a real problem, esp. for those who end up as kids' mounts.
Exactly Vicka! Too many of your "typical" trainers just bully ponies rather
than train them. No doubt the reason so many ponies have reputations for bad
attitud
I think sometime Icelandics are mis-handled by your average trainer because
they think of them as "ponies". They feel they can skip steps, let them sit,
miss valuable training time and quickly make up lost time by
bullying/forcing them into compliance.
Then the novice owner gets them home and h
> Perhaps the salted herring was also about the salt.
That is the way I've always looked at it... a fortified salt block! :o)
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs
website: www.toltallyice.com
Thanks Judy for bringing Ragnar back!
I often wonder how he is these days.
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandic Sheepdogs
Puppies by CH Vesturhlithar Loki are HERE!
Website: www.sandcreekicelandics.com
> Actually, though, in this case, I think an argument could be made that
> there is nutritional benefit in eating fish.
Laree,
What I remember hearing was that they filled the barrel with alternating
layers of salt and fish.
They built a nutritional block (like we use here today) with resources
> The baby is beautiful - right list or no.
Thanks Nancy!
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandic Sheepdogs
Puppies by CH Vesturhlithar Loki are HERE!
Website: www.sandcreekicelandics.com
Oh shoot!
No wonder it's not showing up on right list.
Did I mention it had been a long 60 hours!
Sorry!
Can I sleep now?
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandic Sheepdogs
Puppies by CH Vesturhlithar Loki are HERE!
Website: www.sandcreekicelandics.com
> I give my horses lots of flax but if anyone out there tells me that
> cod liver oil is better, I will try it.
Remember Cod Live Oil and Fish Oil are not the same.
Cod Liver Oil has quite a bit of vitamin A which is toxic in large doses.
Fish Oil does not have vitamin A.
Cheryl
Sand Creek Ice
I've always done the "question mark" exercise with my horses just prior to
pulling their tails for the stretching exercise.
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs
website: www.toltallyice.com
> How about if you try it?
Many moons ago I taught Nanna to tail me by having her pull me to her bowl
when I'd bring out her beet pulp mash.
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs
website: www.toltallyice.com
Wow!
That makes me smile!
Thanks Denise.
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandic Sheepdogs
Puppies by CH Vesturhlithar Loki available late 2007
Website: www.sandcreekicelandics.com
> Parrots are often like many horses--- there are lots of older ones
> needing good homes. SO many people will buy a nice parrot because it
> talks and its charming, not knowing anything about them, but then get
> them home and soon grow weary when they find they are loud and messy.
I agree Jani
I would have a helper on the ground to lead her while you simultaneously
give her the move out cue from the saddle until she understands it. Then let
the ground person fade away.
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs
website: www.toltallyice.com
> Now, Nancy, remember that's -45C, not F.
One degree C is a larger change in actual temperature than one degree F.
The two systems have to cross paths at some point and that point is at 40
below, -40°C and -40°F are the same temp.
After you get lower than 40° below the same number is colde
I go into my herd of 16 horses with an arm full of hay, and they better
approach with manners or they can leave the dinning area!
The hay is mine and off limits until I place it in the feeder.
They can fight over the food all the want when I'm outta there but they
better behave while I'm in the
> This photo may give you an idea of the area I want to fence for pasture.
It is wonderful Virginia!
I wouldn't mow it. The horses will appreciate the winter browse.
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs
website: www.toltallyice.com
> haha, like you lightweights up north dont know what REAL bugs are
> Janice :)
For sure!! LOL
I was in Orlando once walking alone. I knew no one was around when I started
down the side walk. Yet I started hearing footsteps very close behind me. I
was little nervous wondering where this
> Saint Philippe, New Brunswick, Canada (about 10-15 minutes
> from Moncton)
Looks wonderful!
You're further north than I am, but the temps off the water may moderate the
temperature some.
How FUN!!
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs
website: www.toltallyice.c
> not putting up fence alleyways or corridors to move from one field to
> the other
I LOVE my alley way connecting my four paddocks to the winter pasture.
Someone told me I should take it out it was a waste of room. No way!
The paddocks all open into the alley which also gives a backup enclosure
> In the UK, there's a real difference between laminitis and founder -
> is it the same in the USA, or do you use the terms interchangeably?
Technically, yes there is a difference in the terms here too. But they are
often used interchangeably, especially by laymen.
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
> I was looking at one of the fields today. Four horses, total years
> between them 111 !
I have a herd here that between the 4 have 104 years!
They get pretty much unrestricted grazing. Three of them (mares) come in
when the boys go out. The gelding can go out with the boys and chooses to
abou
Hi Virginia,
The new place is going to be so fun for you!
Personally I wouldn't mow the pasture. Curious how big is it?
I doubt two horses will do any noticeable damage to it. You're likely to
only see damage near the gate where they'll exuberantly peel-out throwing a
bit of dirt and sod.
Onc
> Are individual email the only or best way to view them?
Only.
:o)
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs
website: www.toltallyice.com
> it fits four geldings, but only one mare.
Love it!!
LOL
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs
website: www.toltallyice.com
PS If I were buying them specifically with riding in mind I may even buy a
small. I have a little extra room in my mediums.
I bought them off the rack locally and don't remember if I got mediums
because they were the perfect fit or close enough! :o)
Around here it is hard to get good gloves in
Hi Nancy,
I have the size medium gloves. I am fairly sturdy too, along with my hands!
I like that! :o)
Each size has a separate listing so they are available in other sizes too.
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandic Sheepdogs
Puppies by CH Vesturhlithar Loki available late 2007
Website: www.sandcreeki
Normally I wear a leather glove with a pair of cheapo magic gloves as
liners. Really works fairly well.
Last year after I got a case of frost nip when I went outside for too long,
probably without the linersI realized I needed better gloves, that I
could put on quick and bought a good pair
I think if you clip him right away the hair will be grown back enough before
it gets really cold to be a problem.
I'd just clip a thin strip on each side of the neck along the jugular.
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs
website: www.toltallyice.com
Congratulations Virginia!
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandic Sheepdogs
Puppies by CH Vesturhlithar Loki available late 2007
Website: www.sandcreekicelandics.com
Sylvia, I am glad to hear you and your animals are safe!
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs
website: www.toltallyice.com
Glad to hear all is good for you Judy and Kim & Nanna!
I know three families who have lost everything, others we still have not
been in contact with yet.
Hoping those who lost so much heal quickly.
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs
website: www.toltallyice.com
Thanks for the photo Nancy.
It doesn't appear as though there will be a suspension phase in this horse's
pace as the LF is still on the ground and the RR is just about to hit the
ground if it hasn't already.
It's always fun to see old photos!
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses & Ic
> Cheryl - thank you for the complements on Mush.she
> really is a lovely dog.
I've always had a soft spot for Chinese Crested dogs! Sadly I don't think
one would like it here in our bitter cold!
> Bindi is an opossum.
That is what I thought! Definitely not your average pet! LOL Cute!
Cheryl
Beautiful Mush! What is Bindi?
I had three yorkies and all were very well house broke.
I think with toys they are able to go where we don't see and therefore don't
realize right away. Like someone said you're going to know a great dane went
potty in the house.
I find with young dogs they are e
> My thinking is that people will tell you that a "good" flying
> pace should be fast enough to be extremely smooth - thus the
> "flying" adjective.
I believe the "flying" refers to the suspension phase that there must be
present for it to be a "flying" pace rather than pace.
Cheryl
Sand Creek
> A mix between breeds is a mutt, not a "hybrid."
Just different terminology.
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs
website: www.toltallyice.com
> BTW, a hybrid is a cross between species, like a mule or a hinny, or
> certain parrot crosses (Harlequin parrots, for instance). What you're
> describing is simply is mixed breed.
Not necessarily. Check with Mr. Webster.
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs
webs
To me she looks like the typical hybrid people breed for mushing or dryland
sports. Often a hunting or hound and husky cross. Which may explain the blue
eyes.
Her breeding may be just a coincidence but I think she'd be very happy in a
recreational running home!
If she were closer.. ;o)
C
If I didn't already have a couple sled type dogs on the way I'd take her!
She looks like a dog that can run!
I'll send a post her story to a recreational running dog list if you'd like.
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs
website: www.toltallyice.com
> The mobile home ranch across the street from Linda's
> ranch is completely gone - 173 mobile homes gone.
Wow, how tragic. Everything so many family own gone.
I pray that everyone gets out safely and finds safe refuge.
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs
websit
Hi Cherie,
I would think the set up would work for a goat. The tug line I use has a
built-in bungee cord to take the stress off when stopping and starting.
We're running in x-back harnesses. You can also get H-back harnesses. You
can get either custom made to your measurements so I'm sure you c
> Alex uploaded videos of the horses to You Tube (not sure if I shared
> these links before):
Wow!
What a lucky girl to have her horses in her life!
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs
website: www.toltallyice.com
> Have you tried Geek Squad at Best Buy? They generally
> are able to retrieve info from bad hard drives.
I've taken it to Geek Squad. They couldn't do anythng. I think I was first
in line when they opened a store in the area! :o)
My son gave me an idea I've been meaning to try, just need to re
> Did you get the message that I sent off-list about your pictures?
Hi Judy,
Yes, I did. I think it came while I was away or just before I left (for
Vashon Island... beautiful!) for a week. I am still trying to catch up on
email from that period!
Thank you so much. It was only my inbox that cr
> And what about the horse's comfort zone? Everything you mentioned
> concerned the rider's comfort zone.
When the rider is outside of their comfort zone it typically has negative
impact on the horse.
Of course we want the horse to be within it's comfort zone too or it's
likely to have a neg
> hey, I left a voice memo in case anyone wants to hear me!
Janice you have a beautiful voice!
:o)
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs
website: www.toltallyice.com
> Bolting is something that needs to be addressed at the core
> of the problem. It's certainly not something I'd advise people
> to expand their comfort zone to accept.
I agree. I never said people should learn to accept bolting.
The point is I don't think it has ever been said the Icelandics "d
>> Also, when there were alot of Icelandics with bolting problems several
>> years ago, someone said that it was the fault of the riders since
>> Icelandics in Iceland don't bolt. This article sort of negates that.
> i remember a long time ago, two or three years, I was new to
> icelandics and h
Interesting Judy!
I don't doubt that diet is behind much of today's ills!
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandic Sheepdogs
Puppies by CH Vesturhlithar Loki available late 2007
Website: www.sandcreekicelandics.com
>> IMO, never vaccinated and not vaccinating are worlds apart.
> how so, i dont get that cheryl?
Never having been vaccinated and giving initial vaccinations yet not
following an aggressive booster schedule are completely different to my
mind.
IMHO we over vaccinate just about everything thes
> e-mails from people telling me of others who aren't vaccinating their
> Icelandic's for ANYTHING.
IMO, never vaccinated and not vaccinating are worlds apart.
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs
website: www.toltallyice.com
> Many years ago, on the list, we came to the conclusion that it was much
> better for the imported horses to have their vaccinations separately and
> spread out over a period of time.
I believe I was likely the first to suggest less aggressive vaccination
schedules, along with the first to promo
> I recently had a conversation with a Vet who said there are a
> number of Vets who would like someone to do more research
> about how long vaccines last in horses because they suspect
> that many only need to be given several years apart and some
> maybe only once a lifetime. The vaccine people
> Also, just a word to the wise, seems we have learned the
> best grasses for hay are not the best grasses for pasture and vice
> versa. not really sure why.
Many grasses that make good hay (yield, etc.) don't tolerate grazing.
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs
> I have heard that donkey mating rituals are VERY
> violent.
Yes, I understand many owners of jacks will only use AI when using their
jacks at stud to avoid injury especially with a mare.
Also many jack owners use a muzzle on their jacks during breeding.
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandic Sheepdogs
>> Get a "Newer Spreader" and put it back on your pastures.
>
> Oh, that looks good--I'll have to read the whole site. Do you have one?
> V
I don't have one. But it's near the top of my want list!
My friend had one and they're handy, easy to use and well made. She loved
hers. I've can't think o
>> How tall are t-posts?
They come in different heights. My fence is 5' so I buy 6-1/2' T-posts. They
have a little stablelizer type thing that you pound until it's underground.
I think I have a bundle of them not used yet and can get a photo if you'd
like.
> How deep do they go?
Typically 18
> Thanks everyone! I've been numb since the acceptance--I'm excited but
> I feel like a zombie...must be the shock! I'm actually going to be
> moving to my 'farm' -- wow!
It is exciting!
> Hubby plans to have the fence posts put in by a professional fence
> company, then we can put up the elec
> Where do you all put your manure?
>
> I would like to compost.
Get a "Newer Spreader" and put it back on your pastures.
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs
Puppies by CH Vesturhlithar Loki available late 2007
website: www.toltallyice.com
> I was amazed at how much my power bill went down after switching from one
> 100 gallon heated water trough to 3 two-hole automatic heated waterers.
Oops make that 2 two-hole auto waterers! They have one water hole on each
side of the fence so the 2 waterers provide water to 4 paddocks/pastures.
> It looks like a wonderful well-built wooden barn, but there are a couple
> of
> things that don't look safe to me. Remember that I used to buy off-track
> Thoroughbreds. This is probably perfectly safe for the calmer Icelandics,
> but I'd make the walls higher and those vertical boards with th
Congratulations Virginia!
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandics
Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs
website: www.toltallyice.com
> I'm not sure if they come in different footbed sizes, but
> I know they come in different "neck" sizes. The neck is the area
> where the stirrup attaches to. You want to try to get the neck as
> close to your stirrup strap leathers as possible. For example - I
> think western style fenders hav
> She was knocked unconscious the moment she hit the ground, she was
> like a rag doll being dragged along.
Well won't help in that case, but still a tidbit of potentially useful info
I like to share when the topic of being dragged comes up. Maybe one day it
will help someone who isn't knocked o
I like my caged easy EZ Ride Stirrups for saddles without a "release".
> BTW...speaking of dragging, my absolute favorite vet in the world was
> out riding a month ago, and her horse spooked and her foot slipped
> through her western stirrup and she was dragged for at least 10
> minutes before the
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