On 9/20/07, Kim Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > Or this. There's a big discussion going on at the German icelist,
> > about the same subject. This is a preview of an article in one of the
> > German horse ma
On 9/20/07, dawn_atherton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Robyn Schulze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Its the ones who regard those of us into natural methods as lunatics
> who don't know what we're talking about.
On 9/20/07, Laree Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > We should try and agree to disagree in a pleasant manner, and if we do
> > lose our temper, what could we do?
>
>
> Yes, Janice, even though it's really hard sometimes, I think we all
> need to try to stay on the high road, becasue sometimes
People who don't see it, they see a
> something good, well, I'm sure the spider crawl looks good to the
> TWH people who like padded up horses, they think it looks great,
> other people who aren't used to it are disgusted.
I'll never forget when I was at the Rocky Mountain Horse Expo some
years
On 9/19/07, Laree Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Here's to Judy!
>
>
> Yes, Here, Here !! - Thanks for your courage
+1!!
Robyn S
--
Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants
happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do
other
On 9/19/07, janine4494 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Last week I received my new "All in one Bridle" made by Crit Taylor,
> and it's better than I could have imagined. I've used bitless bridles
> in the past, the "Moss Rock Freedom Bridle" the Parelli hackamore
> thingy.
I also have one of Crit's
On 9/19/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 19/09/2007, dawn_atherton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I wholly disagree with this. There are absolutely
> > people who can, will and do change. You will not change everyone.
> > But there are those out there who maybe h
On 9/19/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If it came from the general population I assume it came from, who
> cares? It's more about status to them than about the horse.
>
>
> Exactly, and who of us cares one whit about status? I sure don't.
I agree. And you won't change the min
On 9/18/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Okay - let's go somewhere positive here. I rode Tosca in the arena this
> morning for the first time and it went mostly how I expected it would. She
> stood quietly to be mounted. She moved off readily when asked and made
> several trips arou
On 9/18/07, judy3hhd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ---Thank you all for your suggestions. I noticed nobody said they
> give the daily wormer. Do I need to do that? Is it better to give
> the vitamin supplements? My guy has very strong feet and am told by
> the vet that he doesn't need a foot sup
>
> Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants
> happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do
> other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama
Thanks Judy--that's a real keeper. I changed my signature to that.
Robyn S
Life is as dear to
> By the way, I was never, EVER as mean as I am now before I went through that
> with my kid. I learned quickly that I can be mean when it involves child
> welfare, and I feel the same about animals.
How sad for your daughter, Karen. I'm glad she had such great support
in her parents. I understan
On 9/18/07, Lorraine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't condone this myself. What do you thing about
> kneeing a horse in the stomach while saddleing him?
> The girl I sold Harley to, her friend suggested it. I
> told her "don't you dare"!
Try this: strap a saddle onto this girl, tightly,
> i think at this point if we had an icelandic olympic team we would
> have to call it "Hurting Horses for Jesus" or something.
>
> or maybe "The bat outa hell bolt for gold"
>
> or "strangled by leather and steel" event or "weighted feet cause we
> cant gait without it". class.
>
> then later on
> when parelli says "if you back a horse into a corner he will start
> showing you what he has in his defense tool kit".
Now I am worried he still has that
> rearing in him and rearing is just not something I can handle at all.
> its a bad feeling.
When I first read that Parelli quote in another
> >>> No, the Monte Foreman is very different. This one more resembles a curb.
> I'll send you a pic.
>
>
> Is this it? http://www.bozsaddlery.com/9jpeg.jpg I've seen it with a
> couple of different mouthpieces and with a couple of different shank
> lengths. I think it's pretty much the same as t
On 9/17/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's more like a curb, w/ a medium port w/ a roller. There are rings
> for a rein to use it as a curb, altho I use it on the snaffle setting, on
> the big rings. I use a 1/2" curb strap set very loose, more 'cause I had it
> on the bridle a
I still mostly use snaffles, but I'm quite ok
> with the idea and practice of using anything from a gentle sidepull, up to a
> Tom Thumb Pelham...and Robyn, isn't the Monty Foreman simply the "western"
> version of the Tom Thumb mullen-mouth Pelham? (Not to be confused with the
> Tom Thumb "snaf
> I mean... it is pretty clear to me what I see... and I assume it's pretty
> clear to other horsemen around the world (unless they're *not* horsemen and
> only *horse riders* or *horse controllers*).
>
> I would hope that people get a clue and NOT copy what those people (World
> Championship rider
> A Pelham is designed to work as a curb and snaffle together, using two
> reins. If you only use the snaffle rein, why not just use an ordinary
> snaffle?
Because my horse wasnt' comfortable in a snaffle. When I rode in Lee's
clinic, she wanted to try him in a Monte Foreman pelham, which she had
.unless you had a cut where the horse drooled and then you'd be in trouble.
When the whole AIDS thing started coming out I was in nursing school,
and it wasn't even in our brand-new textbooks. Everything we learned
about AIDS was from handouts. And at the time it wasn't clear how
AIDS was transmi
> I realize these horses are Iceland's treasure, but they may very well
> be the purest examples of the ancient Celtic horse of any breed alive.
> Watching them move was breath takingmost worthy of a goddess.
Thanks for the movie review! Is this the one "Beowulf and Grendel" or
is it another v
> speaking of poo... i put chicken poo on my rose bushes and they
> started growing just incredibly healthy, bushy, green, gorgeous...
> but not ONE bloom. So I bought rose food at walmart and dosed em and
> they bloomed like crazy. So obviously chicken feed is the wrong rate
> they need for blo
>
> ---Very interesting read! I thought that Lee Ziegler had
> me using direct rein contact with the mild ported mouth (not jointed)
> kimberwick that I use. I wonder if the above is contradictory to
> that. I assume that the use of the term "curb bit" would indicate a
> mild ported
> You HAVE been doing your homework, Virginia. I'll be looking forward to you
> buying a farm, even if this isn't the one. It will be fun to hear about
> someone else setting up a place...without me having to actually do the work!
Sounds like it! Looks like a wonderful place, and the price look
On 9/17/07, Laree Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > That is why it took so long to figure out what was
> > wrong with him. Rabies is very rare!!..He could have had an open
> > wound or inhaled it into his lungs.
>
> It would be more likely to me, that while he was in the caves he was
> bitt
>
> It is an effective fertilizer and gunpowder ingredient due to its high
> levels of phosphorus and nitrogen and also its lack of odor.
Gunpowder?! Wow--I wonder who thought up that one! So that explains
"guano harvesters"--what a job. Thanks for the explanation
Maggie--that's interesting. Se
>
> --In California there has been a case of rabies related to bat
> poopies. This man was from Mexico and the doctors in the hospital
> where I worked could not figure out what was wrong with him. It was
> then brought to their attention that this man was going into the bat
> caves and collecting
> Just curious, what is the goal with round penning?
I don't know what the goals of traditional RP trainers are, but for
me, the RP is a useful tool for getting a horse's focus, doing
at-liberty work, asking a horse to move out for the first time under
saddle--Shadow would walk and trot w/ the sad
> Hubby and I went to an open house today--a house in the country with
> about 50 acresI think it would make for a perfect home for us and
> our Icey's!! Everyone--please send positive energyif it's meant
> to be ours, it will be! It felt like home, please, let it be!!!
Fun!! I hope it w
> I am not sure why, but we have 2 mares that do not respond to RP
> stuff like other horses. Dis and Skyfaxa both turn their butt to you
> in a RP
I've done a bit of round pen work with Shadow, not like the John Lyons
run-'em-til-they-drop method; but just some gentle send-around w/
using my bod
>
> here come´s a pic of Sofia a friend that took part
>
> and then Hakon my 5 yo son on Edda
>
> and in the endof some very tired dogs that was
> taking a nap while menn get coffe.
>
> Regards Malin in a snowy Iceland, belive it or
> not I just looked out the window and it´s snowing!!
Great pict
It's particularly noticeable in Maja who had to make an adjustment to
> driving, when the person giving her direction was behind her. She caught on
> quickly though.
I've been seeing this with Shadow too when I'm ground-driving him--if
he gets confused, sometimes he'll turn towards me, since tha
> My apologize, for writing some lines out of my normally quiete corner.
>
> Firstly it is very interesting to see Mr Hempfling "flourishing" in The
> States now - he left Germany in some hurry. To say the least Mr Hempfling
> like many other "whisperers" prefer NOT to work with true ponies. Tech
> >> I've heard it said that Icelandics will turn
> > their rump to you as a way of submission
>
> I wonder where that came from; any idea? I haven't heard it, and it doesn't
> make sense to me.
No, I'm sorry I don't remember where I heard that. Just heresay, and
since someone else mentioned rump
On 9/15/07, Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 9/15/07, Robyn Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Skye, my friend Kat had an Icelandic that she sent to a round pen
> > "trainer"--this woman almost ruined this Icey by insisting that h
> You're getting to be just like the rest of us, Virginia...and I say that
> with pride. :) Again, there may be plenty of good in what Hempfling
> preaches, but good for you for asking questions.
I would love to see Hempfling get on this site and talk w/ us about
his methods. I too worry about s
>
> I don't believe that. Losing an instinct like the "prey" instinct would be
> an evolutionary process, and evolution is measured in many thousands of
> years to millions of years. What in their survival mechanism would make
> them loose their prey instincts in a "mere" 1000 years...?
You're r
> Possibly Dr. Jennie Rankin, we used her but she moved to Montana or
> North Dakato... we miss her. If you know of another I'd like a backup
> for Dr. Belsito. But we're very happy with her.
I think you're right--that name sounds familiar. Too bad she left,
but I'm glad you're happy w/ Dr. Bels
> I insisted on blood work, she never got back to me with the results and
> since he was symptom free I didn't persue it.
Have you talked w/ Dr. Belsito? She has some experience w/ Icelandics
as she has several of us Icelandic clients. There is also a vet in Ft.
Collins who apparently is a bit of
> What animals are listed as being most susceptible to rabies/carrying
> rabies? What I've read in the past is that cats, skunks, bats, foxes
> and raccoons are the most susceptible carriers. I'm sure there are
> others, but those are the ones that I remember.
Okay, here's a bit from a page in Mis
> In my research, I also read that bats aren't any more likely to be a
> rabies vector than other animals and probably less likely - can't
> remmember why less likely. I had always heard they were frequent
> rabies vectors but they said that is a myth. Of course this was from
> a site specificall
> Actually, Robyn, from the research I did it seems that they have
> connected the foal stillbirths and spontaneous abortions that happened
> in KY in the 90's that were so awful, to a virus that was carried by
> ticks with bats being the original host. So there is always a
> possibility of cross
I think good horsemanship is like a flowing
> river, it can change and adapt to fit the situation, not like ice,
> where there is a prescribed set of rules to use, and someone tries to
> use them in the same way in every situation.
Fantastic analogy, Kim!
Robyn S
> > Do you know what he's talking about when he refers to a character type
> > called the "Origin".
>
> He made up a quite a few character types and put Icelandics and Fjords
> in the 'Origin' group.
Thanks for the kick in the pants Virginia--I stopped reading this book
about 2/3 thru b/c I got bu
On 9/13/07, Robyn Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >But at least they are truly working towards
> > >partnering with the horse, and not forcing the horse to do anything.
And another nice set of thumbnails. I love how relaxed Nevzorov looks
while riding.
Robyn S
h
> >But at least they are truly working towards
> >partnering with the horse, and not forcing the horse to do anything.
Here's a nice one, of the horse starting to rear, or perhaps the
beginning of a capriole (?) out on the trail, with the cordeo (that's
what I think they call the line around the n
On 9/13/07, Laree Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We would like to put up a bat house/houses to combat the flying insect
> population around here. Is there any need to worry about bat
> droppings underneath the houses/s if they are in your pasture? I
> can't find out anything about that ques
> Unfortunately, this was a clinic
> setting, and I was too in shock to say anything at that point. I wish
> I would have been in the right frame of mind to stop what was happening
> and tell this trainer to stop the madness and have the rider work on
> the ground.
Hey Dawn, I'd really like to k
. Something was going
> wrong if the rider needed to pull so hard that the snaffle was pulled
> through her horse's mouth.
>
> Really all you do is stop your horse in place and ask him to move his
> hindquarters around his front feet. It's easy to teach and there is not
> much rein action.
>
> Oh
> What does worry me a bit though is that they never once show the
> horses doing anything at all outside. Everything is done in the
> (admittedly very smart) indoor riding school. I still would like to
> see what would happen if he took his horses for an hours' trail ride
> with 5 other horses and
On 9/13/07, Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >I snagged a couple of still pictures from the video. I may buy that video,
> >just to see more details.
> >
> I've just ordered it.
>
> Did you notice how LONG the feet are? Even the one with the great
> chunk out of it?
You couldn't miss tha
> I love how houses with animals, mostly dogs, in them always have the
> quilt over the sofa so the dogs can enjoy the couch, too - just like
> at our house :-))
Yeah we have that too...only the dogs BURROW under the quilt that's
attempting to protect the couch! grrr
Robyn S
> so it is a way to add weight to alter gait. we here in the
> walking/racking horse capitols of the world are well familiar with
> these seemingly harmless methods to alter crappy gaits or enhance
> gaits for the show ring. It probably wont be long before it suddenly
> ocuurs to them, voila, we
It really gave me clear
> focus about how far I have come with my horses, Icelandics, and
> mules. They are really pretty obediant compared to this mule just
> starting out, and this is the spot we started at, even if I am not
> riding them all quite yet:) I also saw that now I seem to have
> lear
On 9/12/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Way to go Janice. You saved the horse's life.
Definitely! However, there was a horse kept at the barn where I took
H/J lessons for a while. Can't remember his barn name, but his "fancy"
name was "No Sweat", in part b/c he had anhydrosis. The
> > This was sent to me by a horse friend: Check it out. B
> > Barbara, NC
> >
> > http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=966_1187636093
I believe I saw this--what a beautiful, touching video.
thanks--very timely
Robyn S
let him put his head where he needs it. My
> husband said later he wished he had a camera cause stonewall was so
> flashy and beautiful, so smooth and gaiting so effortlessly.
When I've ridden Santana bridleless at the RW, he puts his head just
below the level neck. That seems to be where he is
> Me too. I can't remember it staying this hot for so longMAYBE, we'll
> get a break over the next couple days.
You should. Monday was drizzly and barely got to 60, cloudy most of
the day. That morning it was 43 when I went out to let the horses out.
Robyn S
On 9/10/07, Laree Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > we are thinking of a guard dog, but we have three house dogs. Wont it
> > be lonely out there? and will it attack the house dogs when they go
> > outside?
>
> I went to a seminar about herd guard dogs at a Fiber Fair (alpacas,
> llamas, moh
> yesterday on our ride an appaloosa ridden by someone I just met that
> day went into distress, and I honestly think he was fighting for his
> life tho everyone else thought he was "just overheated" or "out of
> shape" or "too fat".
How boneheaded. I'm glad you reacted Janice--at least there w
> Yeah, I think he may need some obedience work eventually... :) He's
> normally VERY responsive, and will come when called - just friendly, because
> he hasn't had any training. The new kitty friend was just too tempting I
> think.
You can start that anytime you know, even as a very young pupp
> Then this week, I got a sick feeling and asked Cary if he'd actually SEEN
> the foxes since they've been back. He said, not this time, that he'd only
> heard them. Now, we wonder if the time they left was when the coyotes moved
> in, and what we've heard recently has been coyotes, not foxes. I
> I ended up paying $7.50 per bale for this timothy, which probably did average
> 40 pounds per bale.I guess it could be worse.
Karen, my mom and dad live 30 min. outside Wytheville VA--one of their
part-time neighbors lives 30 miles south of them, in NC. They are
complaining about the lack o
>
> Daylight is supposed to be what determines when they start their
> winter coats.
>
> All I know is we had more snow last winter than we've ever had AND we
> had a huge blizzard that basically shut everything down for a day.
> That's really odd for us. We're normally cold and very dry...
Same
On 9/9/07, Laree Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 9/9/07, Kaaren Jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'd love to hear from anyone who has done the micro-chip process with their
> > horses, as I am considering doing this too. Did you find any residual
> > swelling or scarring around the im
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=VamXZDxX98I
>
>
> The sequel: http://youtube.com/watch?v=8dkgBiW0ARc
Cute!! I'm not a big fan of snootly pugnose dogs (too much snoring for
me) but he sure is cute! Aww, puppies are just cute anyway. I liked
the part in the first one when Cary called to him, he looked
On 9/8/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A boy named Sioux:
>
> http://crosswindseqresq.org/sioux.html
>
> What gait: http://crosswindseqresq.org/photos/sioux/siouxhires.wmv
Wow! Hard to believe that he's a "rescue"! Nice little horse. I'd say
a stepping pace, not a RW. With a better r
> I would've thought that coyotes wouldn't bother dogs -- aren't they
> similar lineage somewhere down the line?
Yes, but they will definitely pick off a dog or cat, no problem. I
wouldn't even let a bigger dog out, but then, both of ours stay in a
yard and come in at night mostly b/c I've had pro
>
> Simon and Connie are English Setters, Simon a big one at about 70 pounds.
> Connie is about 40 pounds, and Betty Sue (Jack Russell) is only about 15
> pounds. They are either in the house or in the fenced yard, only loose if
> we are outside with them. I hope that Simon and Connie would prote
On 9/7/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh Bia, what a shame for him - and for you. I'm sorry.
>
> I have seen some amazing recoveries over the years. I wouldn't write him
> off just yet.
Sorry to hear about your horse Bia. Hang in there--things happen w/
horses. One vet told me, "
On 9/7/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So most of the difference is in temperament? How about comparing
> Icelandics with Pasos and other gaited breeds? Is it all only temperament?
>
>
> This is very vague, Virginia, and I don't know how to clarify it...but I've
> never seen su
> > where I've been taking little Frank out for potty training. Frank
> looks
> > awfully little and vulnerable now...I sure won't be leaving him
> unattended
> > any time soon.
> >
>
> I would watch it with a small dog. I think they are much more like
> to go after small pets than livestock reall
On 9/6/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd heard that coyotes are in this area, but I'd never seen one...until
> about 20 minutes ago. I was sitting in my office when one strolled by my
> window, not more than 20 feet from me. It was bigger than a fox, and not
> the normal red colo
> The rider is Laurie Ledbetter.
Thank you both, Karen and John. I appreciate having some understanding
of the situation.
Robyn S
> Susan, Robyn S. has already said that she didn't see the whole message.
In fact, if someone can tell me where to find the "extende" message, I
can actually read/watch/whatever I'm supposed to do what it is, and
maybe be a part of the conversation, instead of being holier than
thoud. Maybe next
> Once again, something good and inspiring gets blown
> apart by a few of the "holier than thou" on the list.
> This is why several people are on my automatic delete
> list. Frankly, I get tired of their constant
> negativity and I KNOW for a fact others do, too. Why
> can't you "holier than thou
>
> "Endurance rider Laurie returns to the trail seven years after rehab from a
> spinal cord contusion. Laurie had over 7000 endurance miles before her
> accident and was injured in an ATV accident and was originally told she
> would never walk again or leave the bed. She is still considered
> qua
> Read the extende message. What an inspiration!
I've never really liked this. I think it's way too hard on a horse to
get up w/ a rider on it's back like that. I don't think I'd ever do
it.
Robyn S
> We certainly have respect for the bears and give them a wide berth but there
> are generally enough orchards around here and berries for them to get enough
> to eat.
I was lucky. I was also pretty desperate.
Robyn S
He just picked up his head & made a
> beeline for that table at the fastest, smoothest toelt he could muster
> stopping briefly to look at the sign before taking very carefully s
> fruit from each basket. I was surprised he was so polite about it as
> fruit is a favored treat.
How funny Kaaren
On 9/4/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=10293
I don't know. There is a definite line for me, and this crosses it.
Robyn S
> Being a good mom and always wanting to teach, I picked up our daughter, and
> said, "oh, look at the bear!" and then immediately, thought, "what the heck
> am I doing, we gotta get out of here!"
>
> And we left real quick.
Boy, I didn't. Here's my bear story: Back in about 1990 when my
husband
With others, I really don't even use the yo-yo game, other than
> to introduce them to it. If they are tuned in and respectful of space, I
> see no reason to over use it.
Definitely!
Robyn S
> Would any of those fillies be related to Maja, Bjola, Ima, or Kola by any
> chance? I'd pity any bear that would venture into the "Majan Empire," as
> Cary calls it. (She's his favorite mare, so it's not an insult, but a sign
> of affection from him.) She doesn't quite have this prey/predator
> The goal really is to do everything at LIBERTY, you certanily don't
> have a rope then, so, we have to learn to not use the rope when we
> have it...
Definitely! With respect to the yo yo game, both of mine will back up
w/ a finger wiggle, whether they have a halter/rope on or not. Some
of the
>
> if I want my horse to back up I use my body to ask
Me too. In the Yo Yo game, you're supposed to start by wiggling your
index finger, while straightening your body, leaning forward slightly,
making yourself "bigger"--I've seen that too, where people immediately
start by flinging the rope back
On 9/3/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > A Parelli instructor?!!! With a horse that couldn't even load?!
>
>
> The method isn't the problem; it could be the person, or it could be that
> the particular horse needs a different method for that situation.
No, I'm not slamming the meth
> i also owned and rode horses as a child and teen; i'm a "recycled rider"
> after twenty years between. sum toto i have about ten years of riding
> behind me, and four of owning, one of which is owning stjarni. i've
> also served a formal instructor's apprenticeship and passed a state
> licensur
> most anything can be used in a punishing way :/ even bareback and
> bridle-less, i bet you can still hurt a horse plenty with your feet.
This is really random. I suppose if you got off and kicked the crap
out of the horse, yeah, you might hurt him. Or if you wore spurs. But
in the first scenari
On 9/3/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We were laughing about that very thing while out doing a conditioning ride
> Saturday. I bought Hunter from a woman who was a Parelli instructor
A Parelli instructor?!!! With a horse that couldn't even load?!
Good Lord.
Robyn S
> So, look at the method, and not at the people who are using it.
I think this is the biggest problem w/ Parelli's method--that so few
people have the cash to actually work WITH Pat Parelli. I've taken
lessons with several Parelli trainers that are VERY different in their
interpretations of the me
On 9/3/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh, thanks for that Judy. You have never seen my horses, or me riding
> in person. You are not qualified to make that judgement.
>
>
> Was that directed at you, Mic? I just thought she was making a point to
> counter what someone else said,
> Here's some videos of Nevzorov:
>
> http://iceryder.net/nevzorov.html
>
> According to his chart on this page, it seems like we would be working
> towards the goals of Nevzorov:
>
> http://www.hauteecole.ru/en/nevzorov_haute_ecole.php?sid=0&id=415
Definitely shows another side of NH, altho I do
>
> http://iceryder.net/nevzorov.html
>
Oh my God. I just watched the beginning of the first video. I am crying.
RobynS
On 9/3/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > We carry a stick when we ride, doesn't mean we whip them but giving a tap
> > on
> > the shoulder is better than excessive use of leg or wearing spurs IMO.
> > What
> > is the problem with carrying a stick, crop, whip???
>
>
> The problem is
And I've
> heard so many people say that when they owned horses that they boarded, they
> had a whole 'nuther wave of being a newbie to go through once they brought
> their horse home. Dealing with ALL the decisions of horse ownership often
> doesn't hit home until you are forced to make ALL of th
> Have a look at this Russian guy:
> http://www.hauteecole.ru/en/alexander_nevzorov.php
Very interesting Mic! I particularly like: "parasitizing on physical
abilities of another living being which does not want to be engaged in
this sport but forced to it by pain and beating. So why the hell we
> The husband, btw, is a one-owner model, never thrown away. I've paid dearly
> for him over the past 32 years, but he's been worth it. He was a mere 20
> years old when I married the young pup.
Good for you! Mine is an original owner too. Americans throw too much
away these days.
Robyn S
>
> i'm neither a beginner horsewoman nor, after a year, a new owner.
Umm, I'd say that you are indeed a new horse owner, in my book. I
believe I can say that, as I am not a new horse owner, having owned
horses for 15 years, and having ridden for over 30. I'd suspect Judy
is a bit more knowledgea
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