>>We need to see them; they need to be willing to show what they are doing.
>>If we don't see it, how do we know what they are doing?
>
> To be honest I don't think they really give a damn about international
> exposure - they're working quietly with their own horses, and having a
> nice time.
O
On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 07:00:54 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm kinda curious though...in a country that has 23 hours of darkness in the
>winter, what are they busy doing year-round?
It's not dark that long, specially when there' s snow on the ground,
and they tend to ride in the dark quite happily. The numbe
Hi Karen,
>>>One difference...and it's a BIG one. We, in the USA, don't have access
to just any Icelandic farmer, one who MIGHT be doing things differently.
What we DO have access to...and what has been pushed down our throats by the
middle-aged-plus American women who dominate the USIHC and other
Vicka makes an interesting point. Perhaps we are so accostomed to RFDTV and
clinicians who are pleading with us to listen and learn what they have to
share that we forget that the average American trainer has little time for a
stranger coming casually by and asking for training tips. I certainly
On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 06:05:16AM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote:
> And that rider is the head of Holar...the school that produces Icelandic
> "certified" trainers that come to America... Egads. How gullible can some
> people be?
how many such trainers have you met and watched? for me it's just the
On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 07:00:54AM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote:
> I'm kinda curious though...in a country that has 23 hours of darkness in the
> winter, what are they busy doing year-round? That was a rhetorical
> question. I don't expect an answer of course. (The word, "busy", just made
> me thin
>>> To be honest I don't think they really give a damn about international
exposure - they're working quietly with their own horses, and having a nice
time. Icelanders as a nation are renowned for being bloody awful at replying
to letters or emails, and most of the Icelanders I know are far too bus
Well said, Skye. I think there's also a tremendous difference in
trainers even in exactly the same discipline, and it's a rare trainer who
can or will train the horse as you ask rather than to his/her own personal
philosophy of what's good/right.
One difference...and it's a BIG one. We, in
>That is a very interesting subject. I would wonder why they haven't
>expanded their knowledge about gaits (accepting all the gaits on the gait
>spectrum, allowing the fox trotting Icelandics to fox trot, as well as run
>walk), including understanding more of the basics such as the biomechanic
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:48:12 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
>I want a happy horse...and
>any label you look at will not tell you those things weather it is
>NH, Icelandic, dressage or whatever.
Well said, Skye. I think there's also a tremendous difference in
trainers even in exactly the same discipline,
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:33:57 -0600, you wrote:
>I've often thought it was the european influence of riding that may
>have changed things. Morphed that type of riding into something else
>entirely.
I agree. I think it's the German "dressage" influence that started the
change.
Mind you, in those o
> many years, the only thing that has really mattered has been the
> gaits so the training method has come to
> concentrate on the gaits, redefining them so that the riders get the
> highest marks in competition. ie, so they have a clear beat, high
> action and speed from the horse.
That i
> However I was thinking that there is such a big difference between
> the Icelandic Farmer who breeds a little and trains his own horse for
> rounding up sheep or for pleasure, vs. the big farms like Feti that
> breed and train specifically for competition and for evauluations.
> The difference
of many different types of training: all the different natural type
> training such as John Lyons, Parelli, Clinton Anderson, etc., all the
> different western style training, all the different dressage, english,
> racing, team sports, gaited, etc.
>
> Have you gone and watched many of these
> The icelandic-style training would be one color, and have
variations, going to each side on the color line. Say
icelandic-style training was the color green. The variations might
bleed a little into blue or yellow, but basically it stays about in
the same area and doesn't reach a full rai
Hi Judy,
>>>For instance, from my place, in a 50 mile radius, I would have the choice
of many different types of training: all the different natural type
training such as John Lyons, Parelli, Clinton Anderson, etc., all the
different western style training, all the different dressage, english,
rac
It's a good analogy. I think you also have to take into account that
in Iceland, there are only Icelandics. so you don't have Warmbloods for
dressage, Arabs for endurance, QHs for reining, and all our other vast array
of breeds.
And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. That's ne
On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 08:33:04AM -0800, Judy Ryder wrote:
> The icelandic-style training would be one color, and have variations, going
> to each side on the color line. Say icelandic-style training was the color
> green. The variations might bleed a little into blue or yellow, but
> basica
On 07/12/2007, Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lately (in the past 50 years or so) Icelandic-style trainers have been
> cherry picking from lots of different methods, but many are still only
> really after training methods which will get better gaits. That said,
> there are many, many more
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 08:33:04 -0800, you wrote:
>The icelandic-style training would be one color, and have variations, going
>to each side on the color line.
It's a good analogy. I think you also have to take into account that
in Iceland, there are only Icelandics. so you don't have
Warmbloo
That's a terrific analogy.
I think we might find the rainbow colors blending and diffusing, too, as
disciplines overlap. Lots of endurance riders improve their horses with
dressage techniques and many appreciate NH. And then, sadly, some are not
too far off from the less-ideal practices of some
she says every
> Icelandic trainer is different in their approach to the horses and to
> problem solving and training issues. Just like the trainers here
> differ...
While I think that may be true, I think it may not mean the same when the
bigger picture is looked at.
For instance, from my
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