The one issue that we do have is the mane and forelock.they break
off and we can not get their mane and forelock to grow long as it
should be in our areain other areas of the island it grows well,
but not where Salkly and I live. Its hard to look at our Stallions
picture in
..I think that those with SE should not be breed if it is such a big issue
they have tried that in Sweden (stallions with SE
are not allowed to stand at stud )
and in researches they show it is not genetic
it´s only about where you happens to be born
there are not a higher % of eczema
On 3/9/07, Storme Lee~Fire Island Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do not know anything
about it, as I have never seen it or had to deal with itbut 50%
sounds high
It's terrible, and I don't believe you can fully appreciate how
terrible it is for both the horse and the careperson
exposed to the cullicoides and develop immunities. It's not the
breeding
that's the problem. It's the importing of adult horses. The only
real way
to avoid SE ALMOST totally, so far, is to have horses born in a
similar
climate. That at least puts the SE rate at the same level as for
And Karen to address the other issue...our island is kinda weird, it has
11 out of 13 climate zones...dry hot desert to rain forests, to areas that
look just like S. Calif., snow and blizzard area, wetlands, just about any
climate you want, this island has itand in a relatively small
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I, for one, would never buy an imported Icelandic, not knowing the
big risk a horse coming into the eastern part of the USA has for
summer eczema.
Frankly, I think it's rather cruel that people keep importing them,
knowing how high the chances are
Are you saying that imported horses have a 50% rate of SE?
Keep reading. Judy just posted a bunch of studies.
I would like to see studies on that, as we have several imported
Icelandics, none with SE, and none of mine are suffering, they are happy,
riding, breeding, living out on huge
we have one mare who does have some skin sensitivities, she was bred in
California...
Storme, Hawaii is so far from the mainland USA, physically, and
climate-wise, that if you think about it, your California-bred mare is
probably almost as much of an import to Hawaii as your Icelandic-born
Are you saying that imported horses have a 50% rate of SE?
Keep reading. Judy just posted a bunch of studies.
I would like to see studies on that, as we have several imported
Icelandics, none with SE, and none of mine are suffering, they are happy,
riding, breeding, living out on huge
(I would expect any of my (Peruvian) horses that I sold to an area with
culicoides would have the liability -- they've gone three generations
without encountering a midge, by living here).
If it makes you feel any better, Anneliese (in KY) mentioned this morning
that she's never personally known
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's definitely a regional/climate thing, Storme. It's well known
that
desert areas of North America are considered SE-free zones.
Well where I live is the anti desert, rain forest with a lot of
mousquitos, gnats and bugs, yes a lot of
I think that those with SE should not be breed if it is such a big
issue.
Storme, that makes no sense - for now, anyway, you've got it backwards.
It's not the babies who are the problem. They are fine since they are
exposed to the cullicoides and develop immunities. It's not the breeding
On 3/7/07, Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3/7/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I could ride Tivar around the arena with a hula hoop instead of reins.
janice--
yipie tie yie yo
Have you been doing that?
V
no gosh, I wish. It is one of my training goals tho and
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 06:00:49PM -0600, Janice McDonald wrote:
*shrug* i have the only icey within spitting distance, and although he
*will* run like crazy on the rare occasions i allow it, he's certainly
not tied up to or held onto, and he doesn't wear anything more exciting
than a
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 08:54:02PM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote:
*shrug* i have the only icey within spitting distance,
Vicka, I have to ask in all seriousness, why do you keep posting on this
particular subject, especially when you keep shrugging? If it doesn't
matter to you, why do you
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 09:07:09PM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote:
it's not like the information isn't there, and i don't see a whole lot
of use in replacing those who'd rather have say an arab or an appy with an
icelandic.
That doesn't really make sense. How would someone KNOW they'd rather
it might interest you to know there's currently a vaccine trial going on
in iceland on this issue, as well as much medication work. for me, it
wasn't even a question: after i met stjarni, *he* was it, and if he develops
sweet itch it'll just be something to deal with, like my own chronic
there is an antique store going out of business near my work and
yesterday some of us went there. They have one of those neck wraps
that is actually a whole fox, with his little paws and eyeballs and
snout and everything. I want it so bad! It is seventy bucks, has
toenails and everything. I
On 3/7/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does that mean I can ride in shorts or capris? :)
I'm afraid *not* to take that serious. ;) I'll give you the same
answer I give my mother... You can do whatever you want to do, and
I'll still act like I know you. LOL
Can't wait for Equine
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 09:57:58AM -0600, Janice McDonald wrote:
there is an antique store going out of business near my work and
yesterday some of us went there. They have one of those neck wraps
that is actually a whole fox, with his little paws and eyeballs and
snout and everything. I
where did you get this figure? and what makes you say that the disease
is so unmanageable that the horse is guaranteed misery?
By talking to people who've actually owned significant numbers of both
domestics and imports in a similar climate as I live in, on the east coast.
From seeing horses
How can we promote the breed as a usable horse for riders in North America?
What would be ways to make the breed seem more familiar, user-friendly, and
functional?
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 09:15:40AM -0800, Judy Ryder wrote:
How can we promote the breed as a usable horse for riders in North America?
What would be ways to make the breed seem more familiar, user-friendly, and
functional?
why, aside from the profits of breeders, do we need to do that?
why, aside from the profits of breeders, do we need to do that? they're
hardly obscure as it is; they appear even in most kids' books of breeds.
--vicka
As an owner of Icelandic Horses I want them perceived well by people
that aren't familiar with them.
It's important to me that with any
why, aside from the profits of breeders, do we need to do that?
If you really think that breeders make a profit, you need to think again.
There's an old joke in the horse world. How do you make a small fortune
with horses? Start with a large one. And actually, it's hardly a joke.
In the USA,
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 12:06:02PM -0600, Wanda Lauscher wrote:
It's important to me that with any 'outside' contact my herd has, they
are considered well trained and well behaved. At the despooking
clinic we took Gusti to we were told he was the best behaved horse
there. People pay
How can we promote the breed as a usable horse for riders in North America?
What would be ways to make the breed seem more familiar, user-friendly, and
functional?
why, aside from the profits of breeders, do we need to do that? they're
hardly obscure as it is; they appear even in most
How can we promote the breed as a usable horse for riders in North
America? What would be ways to make the breed seem more familiar,
user-friendly, and functional?
I think it would help to show them doing things that American riders like to
do, in ways that American riders like to do them.
On 3/7/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, giraffes and tigers are in many children's books, and dinosaurs too -
but that doesn't exactly make them common in my neck of the woods. :) In a
country that has 10,000,000 horses, I'd consider the 2500-3000 Icelandic's
fairly obscure.
As for the spaklers... the Friesian people always show with twinkle
lights, in elizabethan attire. maybe the icelandics could be demo'd in
twinkle lights in viking attire.
Oh, yeah, the Viking attire would make more people want to run out and buy
one - not! What is the image of Vikings
How can we promote the breed as a usable horse for riders in North
America?
What would be ways to make the breed seem more familiar, user-friendly,
and functional?
why, aside from the profits of breeders, do we need to do that? they're
hardly obscure as it is; they appear even in most
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 09:15:40AM -0800, Judy Ryder wrote:
How can we promote the breed as a usable horse for riders in
North America?
What would be ways to make the breed seem more familiar,
user-friendly, and
functional?
why, aside from the profits
I live in a rural sparsely populated county and there are approximately
3000 horses in the county. So 3000 icelandics in the US compared to 3000
horses of all breeds in my one county is pretty small population! I am
surprised.
I think I read a while back that there are something like
As for the spaklers... the Friesian people always show with twinkle
lights, in elizabethan attire. maybe the icelandics could be demo'd in
twinkle lights in viking attire.
Oh, yeah, the Viking attire would make more people want to run out and buy
one - not! What is the image of Vikings
Are Arabian horses always shown with riders from that country?
Not that I've ever seen. (I guess that would be countries, instead of
country...?)
dressed in their traditional attire?
I think they do have some costume classes at breed shows, don't they? But,
no, I don't see that very often.
--- Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wish the Icelandic congress would make a video, we just watched
the
Paso Fino video from their breed association and it was alright,
right now for prospective owners and people interested we have
them
watch the Dan Slott video before we go
I just want to add, the promotions of this being a family horse are
excellent as we have taken ours to a western showing program for the last
2-3 yrs and have had the boys have great success in speed events with many
people asking to buy these guys from us. I don't intend on ever selling them
On 3/7/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think they do have some costume classes at breed shows, don't they? But,
no, I don't see that very often.
http://gastongazette.mycapture.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?userphoto=0theway=nextpicnum=7image=13250227thispage2=return=#show
The
There are somewhere around 3,000 registered horses, but how many of
those numbers are horses that are no longer alive?
Yes, it's an approximate number. You also have to count a few horses that
are still registered in Iceland or Canada, but not in the USA. And there
are some whose papers got
On 3/7/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Get me the info. We should make it a group effort. Gastonia isn't that far
for Trish, Laree, Cherie and Sue to come down for too. When is it - May?
September or October, and it's at Biggerstaff Arena in Dallas.
The breed expo was fun, I
September or October, and it's at Biggerstaff Arena in Dallas.
I know the place - not far off of US 321, just north of Gastonia, right?
Emily showed there a few times many years ago.
Karen Thomas
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 3/7/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know the place - not far off of US 321, just north of Gastonia, right?
Emily showed there a few times many years ago.
Yep! That's it.
They do the individual call the breed into the arena demo thing, you
can have a booth back at your stalls,
I just want to add, the promotions of this being a family horse are
excellent as we have taken ours to a western showing program for the last
2-3 yrs and have had the boys have great success in speed events with many
people asking to buy these guys from us.
That's interesting. How old are the
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 11:24:47AM -0800, Judy Ryder wrote:
If you think about it, there may be one or two people who will be dazzled by
the sparklers and take a step further towards the breed, but what about the
other thousand (or two or three thousand) people who walk away from it
because
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 11:22:18AM -0800, Judy Ryder wrote:
I think we should promote the breed in a way that is more familiar,
user-friendly, and functional for the American market.
again, i have to ask, why?
it's not like the information isn't there, and i don't see a whole lot
of use in
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 11:28:05AM -0800, Judy Ryder wrote:
Are Arabian horses always shown with riders from that country? dressed in
their traditional attire? do they ride the horses the way they are ridden
there? or here?
i wouldn't say always (either for arabs or iceys) but native
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 11:46:49AM -0800, Storme Lee~Fire Island Farms wrote:
I found the breed by writing down the Attributes of what I wanted in a horse
Short
Smooth
calm
easy keeper
not prone to shy
friendly
can carry a heavy rider
and then did internet researchand Robyns
On 3/7/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I could ride Tivar around the arena with a hula hoop instead of reins.
janice--
yipie tie yie yo
Have you been doing that?
V
On 3/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As it is now, what people see is a horse that is tied up tight, held onto
tight, runs like crazy, and has to wear *protection* or it'll cut it's leg
off when it does a supposedly natural gait...
*shrug* i have the only icey within
it's not like the information isn't there, and i don't see a whole lot
of use in replacing those who'd rather have say an arab or an appy with an
icelandic.
That doesn't really make sense. How would someone KNOW they'd rather have
an arab or an appy if they haven't seen what Icelandic's really
*shrug* i have the only icey within spitting distance,
Vicka, I have to ask in all seriousness, why do you keep posting on this
particular subject, especially when you keep shrugging? If it doesn't
matter to you, why do you comment? Why not just listen on this topic, this
time around, since
But gosh Vicka, as caring horse people shouldn't we strive to make a
positive change for all icelandic horses? i say this only because we are
on an icelandic list. personally I am trying to do what I can to make the
world a better place for all horses, in my small way, working around my
belief
if we want to support the breed, i think we should focus on education
and supporting methods of training
That's exactly what we're doing! :-) Yeay! This list has made a very
positive impact within the breed, and has been very helpful to many people.
Thanks to everyone on the list!
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