Re: [IceHorses] Zen Moments

2008-05-02 Thread Nancy Sturm
Our adult daughter returned to riding about three years ago after not having ridden since childhood. She's an excellent elementary school teacher and a rather passive and thoughtful rider. The second horse she bought had a reputation, at age 14, of being a terrific endurance horse (Tevis cup

Re: [IceHorses] Zen Moments

2008-05-01 Thread Kimberly Morton
In response to pressure. I have been experiementing with that too. I've worked with maybe, really 10 horses and mules in the last couple weeks. My friend has just adopted 4 mules, 2 very shy, two still can't be touched since they arrived. I haven't had time to work on it. Also another adopted rescu

RE: [IceHorses] Zen Moments

2008-05-01 Thread susan cooper
--- Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am glad you are making such progress with your > horses Susan. Thanks, Robyn! It took a change in me, not my horses. But that change is positively affecting my entire life, and not just my relationship with the horses. Susan in NV read my blo

Re: [IceHorses] Zen Moments

2008-05-01 Thread susan cooper
--- Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Sometimes i feel like > keeping the > pressure on til they act ok then release, creates a > power struggle! That's because that is what the "experts" tell us. Some horses can not take that kind of pressure. Some will fight, like Whisper, and so

Re: [IceHorses] Zen Moments

2008-05-01 Thread Nancy Sturm
and that you can change things if something isn't working. And thank you for that! Nanc7y

RE: [IceHorses] Zen Moments

2008-05-01 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi Susan, >>>And according to "the experts" since it's the release that teaches,you are supposed to keep the pressure on until the horse "tries". I presented 3 demo's at the expo and was definitely offering different information from most that was actually being taught - I showed people about the

Re: [IceHorses] Zen Moments

2008-05-01 Thread Janice McDonald
As soon as she stopped and took one foot > forward, click, treat, and in 15 seconds we were in > the water. So I am liking passive instead of > pressure, and then a click/treat for doing well. that is good susan, thanks. Sometimes i feel like keeping the pressure on til they act ok then rele

RE: [IceHorses] Zen Moments

2008-05-01 Thread susan cooper
> >>--- Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > some of what I see as being taught as good > horsemanship is IMO very high stress training > methods.<< And according to "the experts" since it's the release that teaches,you are supposed to keep the pressure on until the horse "tries". Well not me

Re: [IceHorses] Zen Moments / Good Horsemanship

2008-05-01 Thread Judy Ryder
> We are just back from the fifth Expo this month and I am sorry to say that > some of what I see as being taught as good horsemanship is IMO very high > stress training methods. I'm sure that's what is shown at the exhibitions because who wants to watch paint dry? I think really good horsemans

RE: [IceHorses] Zen Moments

2008-05-01 Thread Ashley Gallant
>>--- Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: some of what I see as being taught as good horsemanship is IMO very high stress training methods.<< It does seem to be going that way, doesn't it? Everyone wants instant results. In the last two years especially I hear more and more conversations "Why a

RE: [IceHorses] Zen Moments

2008-05-01 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi Nancy >>>Well, I probably won't be doing that, but I did put a sidepull on Yrsa the other night. Being a traditionalist, I have always done my ground driving with a snaffle bit. Is there any reason not to drive with a sidepull? Linda started teaching starting young horse courses for amateur

Re: [IceHorses] Zen Moments / Ground Driving Bitless

2008-05-01 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> Is there any reason not to drive with a sidepull? We always start ground driving with either a halter or sidepull, then gradually switch over to a bit. The sidepull-bridle combos are really nice, since they can carry a bit while you're still using the sidepull rings for the reins. Moss R

Re: [IceHorses] Zen Moments / Ground Driving Bitless

2008-05-01 Thread Judy Ryder
Is there any reason not to drive with a sidepull? None that I know of. If we think about it logically, and we are approaching from the paradigm of partnership, and we have done all of our preliminary work, we won't be in a position of trying or needing to control the horse from a pain stand

Re: [IceHorses] Zen Moments

2008-05-01 Thread Laree Shulman
Is there any reason not to drive with a sidepull? > > Nancy > If your horse responds well to it - no reason not to all - I prefer it. -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human compani

Re: [IceHorses] Zen Moments

2008-05-01 Thread Nancy Sturm
So in this zen moment, I put a sidepull on him, and jumped on bareback. Well, I probably won't be doing that, but I did put a sidepull on Yrsa the other night. Being a traditionalist, I have always done my ground driving with a snaffle bit. Is there any reason not to drive with a sidepull? N

Re: [IceHorses] Zen Moments

2008-05-01 Thread Judy Ryder
> I have recently leaned over his back a couple times, but > not all the way on. So in this zen moment, I put a sidepull on him, > and jumped on bareback. He stood real nice, then he took a few steps, > figuring out his balance, also stopped on a really light touch, very > nicely. Very nice, Kim