On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:15:26 -, you wrote:
Maybe not in US, but you know, here in Europe, Warmbloods are the
domestic breed. So for a long time, these were the horses all riders
used.
Our neighbours have half a dozen Warmbloods that are used mainly for
trail riding (parents and 5 kids),
Otherwise that willing and luke-warmish disposition is perfect for
pleasure riding.
Good point, Lynn. Of the handful ( a dozen maybe?) of Warmbloods I've been
around, all had that pleasing pleasant temperment. One local woman rides
out with us from time to time on a huge Art Decco
I don't see that being a pleasure or distance horse constitutes an
exception to
warmblood breed standards.
I don't want to be out on the trail and have to turn around and double back on
a 17H horse
with a back a mile long if I happen to find a tree down on a narrow trail that
just
The health issue you mentioned might be the simple problem of using them
too early,
too hard.
I think EPSM is more common in warmbloods than in the general population. I
don't know
THAT many warmbloods, but I know two who have had it, as well as some other
rather odd
illnesses.
2008/6/10 Robyn Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
So I ask again; Does anyone know of evaluations from other breeds or
disciplines that we can look at?
I'll look around today, perhaps there is something online we can study.
Wanda
One of the things he liked to talk about was breed standards. He would say
something
like Did you ever read these breed descriptions? They all say something
about fine
heads, wide set eyes, small ears, straight legs, good feet. Then he'd
sort of
snort and say, So who would write
But you see, what I don't get at breeding evaluations is things like this -
I had a
mare judged a few years ago and she got the comment, as a negative, thin
face ,
though positives were her eye size, ear set and expression, ending up with
a 7.5
overall for her head. Not higher because
It is all well and good that Liz Graves has taught you what to look for.
But how does
that help the breed as a whole. Liz does not have the capacity to look at
all
Icelandic breeding stock. So I ask again; Does anyone know of evaluations
from other
breeds or disciplines that we can look
So I ask again; Does anyone know of evaluations from other breeds or
disciplines that
we can look at?
I'll look around today, perhaps there is something online we can study.
I've looked, and I know that most breeds don't have evaluation systems.
I have been very interested in what I've
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:04:50 -0400, you wrote:
I've looked, and I know that most breeds don't have evaluation systems.
Here's something non-breed-specific, but interesting:
http://www.bef.co.uk/Downloads/YHE%202006%20Recreational%20HP%20Pilot%20Section.pdf
One for Knabstruppers (a Danish
Here is a first prize stallion used in Finland, with 8,0 for proportions.
My goodness, I hope that's just a bad picture of him, because I don't care for
the way he
looks at all in that picture. I suspect that a lot of what I don't like is
just camera
angle though, but I'm not sure what you
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've looked, and I know that most breeds don't have
evaluation systems.
I've seen some evaluations for some of the European
Warmbloods that are done at liberty, so no
interference from handling! Granted, a lot of gaited
horses don't trot at liberty,
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:31:33 -0700, you wrote:
They are more likely IMHO to
use locality and price as the main factors.
Or colour! (frightening, isn't it? - when we had a blue dun stallion
here we had someone wanting to use him desperately, even though he was
her mare's half brother - because he
-Original Message-
From: IceHorses@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of icnewb
Most of the breed organizations that hold evaluation are called
approvals or inspections. Here are few examples in North America. Each
have their own rules and regulations but generally follow the same pattern
On Jun 11, 2008, at 8:58 AM, Robyn Hood wrote:
Thanks for the info Kayla.
Do you know if the results are public and itemized? Is there a place
we can
see the rules or scoring system used for these inspections?
Phil
Here's the Hanoverian info:
-Original Message-
From: IceHorses@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Lynn Kinsky
Here's the Hanoverian info:
http://www.hanoverian.org/tour/inspection.shtml
Note that the inspections and tests are not merely numbers, but carry
breeding eligibility in the case of stallions.
Thanks Lynn
Am I missing the results or description of what is actually inspected?
This
link seems to just have an overview and application forms.
http://www.hanoverian.org/mares/hanomare.shtml
scores: http://www.hanoverian.org/mares/mare_stats.shtml
http://www.hanoverian.org/Stallions/100-Day.shtml
In fact, I know people who are afraid to ride their warmbloods out on the
trail!
That's a fact. Our local equine vet, who lives just up the road from us, is
married to a well known dressage rider/trainer who makes an annual shopping
trip to Europe. They have a huge financial investment in
On Jun 11, 2008, at 1:08 PM, Karen Thomas wrote:
Let's think about it for a minute though. Most warmbloods are used for
sport horses - jumpers or dressage. I believe the purpose of most of
their evaluations is to show their suitablity as sport horses. I
can't
think of anyone who
suffering.
...
On this list how many times has it been mentioned that breeds like TWH of
today are not what they used to be? How they are totally different types
from the old stock.
they are bred to be pacey so that when they put
OTOH, those warmbloods that don't make the cut as breeding stallions or
six figure Olympic hopefuls wind up somewhere, and not all are pulling
carriages. There was an 18 hh (unbranded) Hanoverian at our NATRC ride
this weekend and he had good recoveries and took very good care of his
On Jun 11, 2008, at 6:56 PM, Karen Thomas wrote:
Yes, but the topic here was breed standards, not the exceptions to the
breed. I have an Arab who did remarkably well in hunters when there
was a
strong prejudice against the breed in that sport. We also have a
supposed-to-be western pleasure
We once had an old cowboy farrier - wonderful guy. He actually self
published a book on hoof care and shoeing. He'd worked on some of the big
old time Western cattle ranches and he'd spent a lot of time alone with a
horse - thinking.
One of the things he liked to talk about was breed
you can breed whatever Icelandic you like, as there are a lot of breeders
in Iceland
who have their own imagination of what would be a perfect horse for them.
And if you
have a look at the confirmation marks, you can well see, that also heavier
built
horses get good marks, if the
not true, they just don't want to select out the natural variation in
the genpool. One of the reasons the horses are getting bigger today is
better nutrion during the whole year.
I believe that much of that starved small genetic potential should be
overcome in one or two generations.
-Original Message-
From: IceHorses@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Karen Thomas
Proportions are counted 10%, so a heavy horse would be
hard-pressed to compete with a light-bodied horse in overall score. He
can't make it up
by having correct leg jointss, since that's only weighted 3%.
You conveniently miss that joints are a consideration in the Legs,
quality section as well.
No, I didn't conveniently miss that, Phil. I mentioned distinctly in
several posts that I find it odd that the part of the legs that I consider
most important, the JOINTS, are only judged 3%. I
Perhaps there is another breed or discipline that has a method in place
we can look at for inspiration.
I had to go back to this statement, Phil. How many of us have talked about
all the good information we've learned from Liz Graves at her clinics? She
was able to take the basics I've
-Original Message-
From: IceHorses@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Karen Thomas
You conveniently miss that joints are a consideration in the Legs,
quality section as well.
No, I didn't conveniently miss that, Phil. I mentioned distinctly in
several posts that I find it odd that the
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