Re: Last Call: Registry Registrar Protocol (RRP) Version 1.1.0 to Informational

2000-01-05 Thread Vernon Schryver
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ... > Then I took a look at RFC2026 in closer detail, and section 3.3 (e) > defines a "Not Recommended" status, just like I remembered. > > Unfortunately, that seems to be strictly applicable to standards-track > documents only, not 'informational'. Whether this is a

Re: Last Call: Registry Registrar Protocol (RRP) Version 1.1.0 to Informational

2000-01-05 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 04 Jan 2000 15:58:37 PST, Rick H Wesson said: > think the IESG could at least put a "bad bad protocol" sitcker on it when > they its published, or better yet give it a negative RFC number starting with > negative RFC numbers would at least put it firmly into the minds of > readers that th

Re: oh merde! Patrick F. and ICANN board error

2000-01-05 Thread Gordon Cook
>At 09:38 PM 1/4/00 -0500, Gordon Cook wrote: > > I carry a lot of ICANN data around in my head and I am generally > >pretty good at it. However my attention has been called to the fact > >that I screwed up on my association with Patrick as an ICANN board > >member. Following a few URL trails

Re: merde! Patrick F. and ICANN board error

2000-01-05 Thread Eric Brunner
Normally I ignore Cook, and am grateful to have missed the original screed. Technical contributions on the content of the draft-hollenbeck-rrp-00.txt are nice, but deviations from content analysis are awkward. Eric

Re: oh merde! Patrick F. and ICANN board error

2000-01-05 Thread Fred Baker
At 09:38 PM 1/4/00 -0500, Gordon Cook wrote: > I carry a lot of ICANN data around in my head and I am generally >pretty good at it. However my attention has been called to the fact >that I screwed up on my association with Patrick as an ICANN board >member. Following a few URL trails I see

Re: Back to the drawing board,was Re: Last Call: Registry Registrar Protocol (RRP) Version 1.1.0 toInformational

2000-01-05 Thread ned . freed
John Klensin wrote, in part: > In summary, I believe that our advice to the IESG should be > "make certain this document is clear about what it is and what > it proports to be, and that the authors (or author organization) > take responsibility for that being true. Make certain that, > should a

Re: Back to the drawing board,was Re: Last Call: Registry RegistrarProtocol (RRP) Version 1.1.0 toInformational

2000-01-05 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, 05 January, 2000 06:32 -0800 Ed Gerck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, but IMO IETF RFCs, even informational, should not be > bureaucratic milestones in a chart but real contributions -- > where it is OK to be wrong since in Science a NO is also an > answer. So, an RFC should no

Re: Back to the drawing board, was Re: Last Call: Registry Registrar Protocol (RRP) Version 1.1.0 to Informational

2000-01-05 Thread Patrik Fältström
--On 2000-01-05 07.04 -0800, Rick H Wesson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the RFC is what will be used, RRP version 1.1.0 is in the OT&E (test > environemnt) slated to be put into general availability on Jan 15th. > > The current version in production is RRP 1.0.6 The I-D in question states in the

Re: Back to the drawing board, was Re: Last Call: Registry Registrar Protocol (RRP) Version 1.1.0 to Informational

2000-01-05 Thread Rick H Wesson
randy, the RFC is what will be used, RRP version 1.1.0 is in the OT&E (test environemnt) slated to be put into general availability on Jan 15th. The current version in production is RRP 1.0.6 -rick On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Randy Bush wrote: > > 2. The proposed RFC is not what should be used: > >

jurisprudence

2000-01-05 Thread adies
Title: Vous constatez régulièrement     Vous constatez régulièrement : qu'il est difficile de disposer de temps pour réunir la documentation nécessaire à la constitution de vos dossiers ou simplement y acc

Re: Back to the drawing board, was Re: Last Call: Registry Registrar Protocol (RRP) Version 1.1.0 to Informational

2000-01-05 Thread Randy Bush
> 2. The proposed RFC is not what should be used: this is not relevant to the publication of *this* rfc, the intent of which is to document what IS used not what SHOULD BE used. randy

Re: I-D nroff macros

2000-01-05 Thread Matt Crawford
> If you send your nroff input file to the RFC editor as well as the > nroff'd output file, which is the recommended practice, then modifying > the ms macros themselves is not an option. Well, sort of. You can .rm an existing macro and .de it differently. I do that for the SH, H, XS, XA, XE, XE

Re: Back to the drawing board,was Re: Last Call: Registry Registrar Protocol (RRP) Version 1.1.0 toInformational

2000-01-05 Thread Ed Gerck
John C Klensin wrote: > Ed, I've followed your comments very carefully, but, applying > your reasoning to what I see as long-standing principles for > handling Info RFCs, I reach nearly opposite conclusions. Then, we have gone full circle because your reasoning is exactly mine in its gist -- a

Re: Back to the drawing board, was Re: Last Call: Registry Registrar Protocol (RRP) Version 1.1.0 to Informational

2000-01-05 Thread Patrik Fältström
--On 2000-01-05 02.54 -0800, Ed Gerck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How can you say " in some cases (timestamps for example) it is already > clear that they use what is specified in the I-D"? Did you test it? Have > you been using the protocol that is in use today? Because I have already receive

Re: Back to the drawing board,was Re: Last Call: Registry Registrar Protocol (RRP) Version 1.1.0 toInformational

2000-01-05 Thread John C Klensin
I've trimmed most of the cc's on the theory that everyone relevant except possibly Scott are on the IETF or IESG lists. Ed, I've followed your comments very carefully, but, applying your reasoning to what I see as long-standing principles for handling Info RFCs, I reach nearly opposite conclus

Re: Last Call: Registry Registrar Protocol (RRP) Version 1.1.0 to Informational

2000-01-05 Thread Donald E. Eastlake 3rd
I think it is important to the openness of the process to maintain the tradition of a relatively light editorial hand on Informational RFCs that document non-IETF protocols. The minimal substantive part of this review increasingly seems to be done by the IESG instead of the RFC Editor. From: G

Re: Last Call: Registry Registrar Protocol (RRP) Version 1.1.0 to Informational

2000-01-05 Thread Ian Jackson
Patrik Fältström writes ("Re: Last Call: Registry Registrar Protocol (RRP) Version 1.1.0 to Informational"): > --On 2000-01-04 17.21 +, Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > * The TRANSFER command, when used to approve a transfer, does not > > specify to which registrar the domain i

Re: Back to the drawing board, was Re: Last Call: Registry Registrar Protocol (RRP) Version 1.1.0 to Informational

2000-01-05 Thread Ed Gerck
Patrik Fältström wrote: > --On 2000-01-05 02.37 -0800, Ed Gerck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What we have in the > > proposed RFC is thus an outdated spec -- problems that were actually > > reported *solved* in the March-October 1999 timeframe appear again > > *unsolved* in the December 199

Re: Back to the drawing board, was Re: Last Call: Registry Registrar Protocol (RRP) Version 1.1.0 to Informational

2000-01-05 Thread Patrik Fältström
--On 2000-01-05 02.37 -0800, Ed Gerck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What we have in the > proposed RFC is thus an outdated spec -- problems that were actually > reported *solved* in the March-October 1999 timeframe appear again > *unsolved* in the December 1999 timeframe. In real life, I have not

Re: Back to the drawing board, was Re: Last Call: Registry Registrar Protocol (RRP) Version 1.1.0 to Informational

2000-01-05 Thread Ed Gerck
Patrik Fältström wrote: > --On 2000-01-05 01.29 -0800, Ed Gerck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Alternatively, you may verify your mailbox of RAB messages and > > decide by yourself. Also, NSI may verify the discrepancies by > > themselves. > > As the I-D didn't exist when the RAB existed (th

Re: Back to the drawing board, was Re: Last Call: Registry Registrar Protocol (RRP) Version 1.1.0 to Informational

2000-01-05 Thread Patrik Fältström
--On 2000-01-05 01.29 -0800, Ed Gerck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alternatively, you may verify your mailbox of RAB messages and > decide by yourself. Also, NSI may verify the discrepancies by > themselves. As the I-D didn't exist when the RAB existed (the date of the I-D is December of 1999)

Re: Back to the drawing board, was Re: Last Call: Registry Registrar Protocol (RRP) Version 1.1.0 to Informational

2000-01-05 Thread Ed Gerck
Patrik Fältström wrote: > --On 2000-01-04 20.24 -0800, Ed Gerck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The technical aspect here is that the RRP protocol documented in the > > RFC proposed by NSI to the IETF is *not* what is being used by NSI > > and is also *not* what should be used. > > If this is

Re: Back to the drawing board, was Re: Last Call: Registry Registrar Protocol (RRP) Version 1.1.0 to Informational

2000-01-05 Thread Patrik Fältström
--On 2000-01-04 20.24 -0800, Ed Gerck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The technical aspect here is that the RRP protocol documented in the > RFC proposed by NSI to the IETF is *not* what is being used by NSI > and is also *not* what should be used. If this is your view, please let me know, as AD, w