Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

On 05/18/2010 11:03 AM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: Hi, I noticed that IETF 78 Hotel that I made reservation already charged my credit card for the whole duration of my stay. Should I be thankful because euro is low these days or complain about it? Here I thought with a new thread that we mi

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

Dear Behcet, Can you please check the confirmation you received when you made your reservation. There were a number of rates available with different terms, when I contacted the MECC booking service and they indicated you booked the rate which is non-refundable. This means you received a spec

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

/18/2010 02:55:24 PM: > [image removed] > > Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht > > Behcet Sarikaya > > to: > > Marshall Eubanks > > 05/18/2010 02:55 PM > > Sent by: > > ietf-boun...@ietf.org > > Cc: > > IETF Discuss

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> > Hi, >  I noticed that IETF 78 Hotel that I made reservation already > charged my credit card for the whole duration of my stay. > > > Charged, or "authorized" ? (In the authorized case, the charge will > generally show up as "pending".) I saw it as a fixed charge in my credit card statem

Taxicabs (was: Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht)

(subject line adjusted -- this has long ago ceased to be Maastricht-specific in any way) --On Tuesday, May 18, 2010 13:11 -0400 Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: >... > Mandating credit card acceptance should in theory merely > reduce the amount the rent that the medallion owners can > extract from th

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Its all about money, but not necessarily the fees. The cabs in most parts of the US are run through a licensed monopoly scheme which is frequently corrupt. In NYC the guy who drives the cab gets a pittance while the medallions sell for huge sums. Raising taxi fares does not improve the pay of the

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

On May 18, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: Hi, I noticed that IETF 78 Hotel that I made reservation already charged my credit card for the whole duration of my stay. Charged, or "authorized" ? (In the authorized case, the charge will generally show up as "pending".) Freque

Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

Hi,   I noticed that IETF 78 Hotel that I made reservation already charged my credit card for the whole duration of my stay.   Should I be thankful because euro is low these days or complain about it? Thx. Behcet ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ie

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht (morphed to cabbies and credit cards)

On 10.05.2010 18:44, Steven Bellovin wrote: On May 10, 2010, at 11:54 52AM, Bob Braden wrote: Is there no bottom to this particular rat hole? Enough, already! We first have to discuss if the credit cards have to be in ASCII vs. HTML or PDF. Even cab drivers nowadays know that the charac

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht (morphed to cabbies and credit cards)

On May 10, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Steven Bellovin wrote: > On May 10, 2010, at 11:54 52AM, Bob Braden wrote: > >> Is there no bottom to this particular rat hole? Enough, already! >> > We first have to discuss if the credit cards have to be in ASCII vs. HTML or > PDF. There you have it, folks: cl

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

I traveled through Schipol last January. My Visa debit card (with PIN) worked at the human counter with the "PIN Cards Only" sign. It was later refused at a different station, but I think that was a matter of an untrained attendant more than a technology failure. (He expected a chip.) On May 9,

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht (morphed to cabbies and credit cards)

On May 10, 2010, at 11:54 52AM, Bob Braden wrote: > Is there no bottom to this particular rat hole? Enough, already! > > We first have to discuss if the credit cards have to be in ASCII vs. HTML or PDF. --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb _

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Is there no bottom to this particular rat hole? Enough, already! Bob Braden ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

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On Mon, 10 May 2010, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > On 10 mei 2010, at 5:01, ty...@mit.edu wrote: > > > I talked to a cab driver in Boston, and he's not very happy with > > credit cards, because he was forced to use a new system for credit > > cards, and it takes what he considered an unfairly l

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

On May 10, 2010, at 10:15 AM, Nathaniel Borenstein wrote: I think it's really all about the credit card fees. Cab drivers, at least in the US, are often on a small enough margin, with high fixed costs, that the few percent taken by the card companies can be the difference between a worthw

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I think it's really all about the credit card fees. Cab drivers, at least in the US, are often on a small enough margin, with high fixed costs, that the few percent taken by the card companies can be the difference between a worthwhile and a wasted fare. Next time a cabbie doesn't want your ca

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 5:05 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > On 10 mei 2010, at 5:01, ty...@mit.edu wrote: > >> I talked to a cab driver in Boston, and he's not very happy with >> credit cards, because he was forced to use a new system for credit >> cards, and it takes what he considered an unfa

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

On May 10, 2010, at 5:05 52AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > On 10 mei 2010, at 5:01, ty...@mit.edu wrote: > >> I talked to a cab driver in Boston, and he's not very happy with >> credit cards, because he was forced to use a new system for credit >> cards, and it takes what he considered an unfa

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:05:52AM +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > On 10 mei 2010, at 5:01, ty...@mit.edu wrote: > > > I talked to a cab driver in Boston, and he's not very happy with > > credit cards, because he was forced to use a new system for credit > > cards, and it takes what he consid

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

On 10 mei 2010, at 5:01, ty...@mit.edu wrote: > I talked to a cab driver in Boston, and he's not very happy with > credit cards, because he was forced to use a new system for credit > cards, and it takes what he considered an unfairly large percentage > when customers pay by credit cards. And tha

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 06:31:14PM -0700, Dan Harkins wrote: > > I have had cab drivers in the US try to force me to pay cash > in similar situations. Saying they don't accept credit cards and > then, when I say that's all I have, telling me how much longer > it will take to get me out of their

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I have had cab drivers in the US try to force me to pay cash in similar situations. Saying they don't accept credit cards and then, when I say that's all I have, telling me how much longer it will take to get me out of their cab if I really want to use a credit card. In these cases I just kept i

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Iljitsch van Beijnum [mailto:iljit...@muada.com] writes: > On 8 mei 2010, at 1:50, Glen Zorn wrote: > > > More than once, I _have_ asked the driver specifically if he accepts > credit > > cards (the advertised policy notwithstanding) only to have him refuse > it > > upon arrival... > > Curious w

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On 8 mei 2010, at 1:50, Glen Zorn wrote: > More than once, I _have_ asked the driver specifically if he accepts credit > cards (the advertised policy notwithstanding) only to have him refuse it > upon arrival... Curious way to engage in commerce. Where was this? BTW: I'm typing this from Schiph

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> Hi, Jari, > > Individual shop owners (and cab drivers) can always do what they want > (anywhere), even when the company they work for accepts cards. > > As I noted, you can ask before you get into the cab. More than once, I _have_ asked the driver specifically if he accepts credit cards (the a

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Hi, Jari, Individual shop owners (and cab drivers) can always do what they want (anywhere), even when the company they work for accepts cards. As I noted, you can ask before you get into the cab. Though I agree with your recommendation that backup cash is always useful -- in any city. Joe Jari

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Joe, You should have asked when you got in; many cabs in the US (in most cities I've traveled to, and all the ones I've used at LAX where I reside) do take credit cards. The cab had a sign that said they take credit cards. Just that in the end, that didn't turn out to be a true advertiseme

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Jari Arkko wrote: > Phillip, > >> This is the main change from the US. In the US it is entirely >> practical to carry only plastic and no cash at all. > > This is mostly right, but maybe not universally true. Imagine my > surprise when I walked to a cab at LAX and asked to be taken to the > Ana

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Theodore Tso wrote: ... > This was my experience as well (I travel a lot, to many countries in > Europe and Asia, and have never had a problem until I travelled to the > Netherlands last year) --- except my ATM card didn't work, either. When > I talked to my bank, they told me it was because of f

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Phillip, This is the main change from the US. In the US it is entirely practical to carry only plastic and no cash at all. This is mostly right, but maybe not universally true. Imagine my surprise when I walked to a cab at LAX and asked to be taken to the Anaheim hotel. First, I had apparent

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I had the same experience last summer. Lacking euros, I needed to find a teller to get on the train at Schipol. Tim On 4/5/10 9:40 AM, "Mike Tibodeau" wrote: Last time I was there you could *not* use a non-chip credit card at the train kiosks, but you could use a non-chip card in general at

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This is the main change from the US. In the US it is entirely practical to carry only plastic and no cash at all. There are more purchases that are impossible with cash than a card - try buying a car with cash and see what happens. In most of Europe you have a high probability of being able to use

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On 4/5/2010 5:40 PM, Mike Tibodeau wrote: Last time I was there you could *not* use a non-chip credit card at the train kiosks, but you could use a non-chip card in general at manned stores/vendors. During last year I had no any problem with usage of Visa and Mastercard non-chip credit and deb

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Last time I was there you could *not* use a non-chip credit card at the train kiosks, but you could use a non-chip card in general at manned stores/vendors. At 09:35 AM 4/5/2010, Scott Brim wrote: >Theodore Tso allegedly wrote on 04/03/2010 06:48 EDT: >> When I talked to my bank, they told me it

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Theodore Tso allegedly wrote on 04/03/2010 06:48 EDT: > When I talked to my bank, they told me it was because of > fraud problems in that country specifically; I would have needed to > warn them at least a few days in advance i was planning on visiting > the Netherlands for them to put my card on a

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

On Apr 2, 2010, at 3:56 PM, Ralph Droms wrote: So, with all this discussion, I'm still not clear what to expect. When I walk up to a train ticket kiosk in Schiphol, should I expect to be able to use my US-issued, non-chip credit card (AMEX, VISA - I don't care as long as *one* of them wor

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On Apr 2, 2010, at 6:46 PM, Hadriel Kaplan wrote: > Not to belabor this thread, but... > I was in Schiphol the week before IETF Anaheim and bought a train ticket. > *None* of the my cards worked (Amex, Visa, Mastercard, and a debit, and yes I > tried all of them). In fact, not only did they n

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> -Original Message- > From: Dave CROCKER [mailto:d...@dcrocker.net] > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 7:02 PM > To: Hadriel Kaplan > > On 4/2/2010 3:46 PM, Hadriel Kaplan wrote: > > p.s. on the other hand they have excellent licorice and hagelslag. :) > > You could pay with licorice? > >

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On 4/2/2010 3:46 PM, Hadriel Kaplan wrote: p.s. on the other hand they have excellent licorice and hagelslag. :) You could pay with licorice? Did they make change with fennel? d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net ___ Iet

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iel p.s. on the other hand they have excellent licorice and hagelslag. :) > -Original Message- > From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Ralph Droms > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 4:56 PM > To: IETF Discussion > Subject: Re: Advance travel in

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Ralph, On Apr 2, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Ralph Droms wrote: > So, with all this discussion, I'm still not clear what to expect. When I > walk up to a train ticket kiosk in Schiphol, should I expect to be able to > use my US-issued, non-chip credit card (AMEX, VISA - I don't care as long as > *one*

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On 04/02/2010 02:25 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > > On Apr 2, 2010, at 4:56 PM, Ralph Droms wrote: > >> So, with all this discussion, I'm still not clear what to expect. >> When I walk up to a train ticket kiosk in Schiphol, should I expect to >> be able to use my US-issued, non-chip credit ca

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Yes. Expect them to work and bring cash! That said, some of us with American cards will be arriving the Tuesday before. I'll post the results of our travels and trials . Chris. -- Chris Elliott On Apr 2, 2010, at 4:56 PM, Ralph Droms wrote: So, with all this discussion, I'm still not cl

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On 4/2/2010 1:56 PM, Ralph Droms wrote: > So, with all this discussion, I'm still not clear what to expect. When > I walk up to a train ticket kiosk in Schiphol, should I expect to be > able to use my US-issued, non-chip credit card (AMEX, VISA - I don't > care as long as *one* of them works), or

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

On Apr 2, 2010, at 4:56 PM, Ralph Droms wrote: So, with all this discussion, I'm still not clear what to expect. When I walk up to a train ticket kiosk in Schiphol, should I expect to be able to use my US-issued, non-chip credit card (AMEX, VISA - I don't care as long as *one* of them wor

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

So, with all this discussion, I'm still not clear what to expect. When I walk up to a train ticket kiosk in Schiphol, should I expect to be able to use my US-issued, non-chip credit card (AMEX, VISA - I don't care as long as *one* of them works), or should I have a fistful of Euros handy?

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On 4/2/2010 12:18 PM, Yoav Nir wrote: Yes, but we have already concluded that lunch time is not 1.5 hours spent on going to some restaurant in lovely and charming places. "Lunch" is the 1.5-hour session, dedicated to bar BoFs with a sandwich to eat, in one of the regular meeting rooms. I th

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Yes, but we have already concluded that lunch time is not 1.5 hours spent on going to some restaurant in lovely and charming places. "Lunch" is the 1.5-hour session, dedicated to bar BoFs with a sandwich to eat, in one of the regular meeting rooms. On Apr 2, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Tim Bray wrote:

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What Iljitsch doesn't say, and should be said, is that Maastricht is a lovely and charming place in the summer; its central square is one of the nicer places in Europe to linger over lunch or dinner. When I went I rented a car in Frankfurt and enjoyed the Autobahn experience. Not a complicated rou

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Andrew G. Malis пишет: I'm with Joe on this. I also travel extensively, including in non-tourist areas, and have never had my US Visa or Mastercard declined because it didn't have a chip. In Amsterdam there are shops (e.g. nice cheese shop ;) ) which accept only local chip cards. At the same

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On Fri, 2 Apr 2010, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > > On Apr 2, 2010, at 8:11 AM, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > > >I'm with Joe on this. I also travel extensively, including in > >non-tourist areas, and have never had my US Visa or Mastercard > >declined because it didn't have a chip. > > At Point of Sa

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Hi, >> I was living in France in spring 2005 when the chip and pin systems went >> live there. >> There was a very short period where cards without chip and pin did not >> work. >> >> Two days later, facing the inability to take money from foreigners, >> signature-based transactions were back. >>

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On Apr 2, 2010, at 8:11 AM, Andrew G. Malis wrote: I'm with Joe on this. I also travel extensively, including in non-tourist areas, and have never had my US Visa or Mastercard declined because it didn't have a chip. At Point of Sale (e.g., restaurants, hotels, stores), no. At automated kiosk

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On 02.04.2010 14:44, Adrian Farrel wrote: Well, I was living in France in spring 2005 when the chip and pin systems went live there. There was a very short period where cards without chip and pin did not work. Two days later, facing the inability to take money from foreigners, signature-bas

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(including in the UK) the shop-owner may sigh in a dramatic way as they reach for the pen, but money is money! Adrian - Original Message - From: "Andrew G. Malis" To: "Joe Abley" Cc: "Phillip Hallam-Baker" ; Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 1:11 PM Subjec

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I'm with Joe on this. I also travel extensively, including in non-tourist areas, and have never had my US Visa or Mastercard declined because it didn't have a chip. Cheers, Andy On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Joe Abley wrote: > > On 2010-03-31, at 20:56, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > >> In theo

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On 2010-03-31, at 20:56, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > In theory it is possible to use a US issued credit card in Europe. > > In practice, forget it unless you are willing to face the > embarrassment of 50% of places declining your card. > > My experience in the UK is that outside London you ar

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On 1 apr 2010, at 2:56, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > In theory it is possible to use a US issued credit card in Europe. > In practice, forget it unless you are willing to face the > embarrassment of 50% of places declining your card. :-) What you have to remember is that in many European count

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In theory it is possible to use a US issued credit card in Europe. In practice, forget it unless you are willing to face the embarrassment of 50% of places declining your card. My experience in the UK is that outside London you are very likely to find that the only cards they accept are chip and

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On 3/30/2010 9:09 PM, Dean Willis wrote: > > On Mar 30, 2010, at 4:55 AM, Robert Kisteleki wrote: > >> On 2010.03.30. 11:41, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: >>> I'll prepare information about all of this as soon as I know the >>> transition status during the IETF week. And in any event, there are no

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On Mar 30, 2010, at 4:55 AM, Robert Kisteleki wrote: On 2010.03.30. 11:41, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: I'll prepare information about all of this as soon as I know the transition status during the IETF week. And in any event, there are no early booking / online booking discounts for Dutch t

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>I think they have changed that now, and my latest debit card came >with a notice that it can be used PIN-free for purchases under 10 pounds. >This uses the RFID in the card and only works at retailers like >Caffe Nero, who have installed the RFID readers. Adding to the confusion, although there a

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> I have never seen a credit card purchase with PIN. In the UK, all credit card purchases use a PIN with Chip-and-PIN cards except when their network link is down or your card is registered as signature-only. Some elderly and disabled people have the signature-only option, and foreigners too, of c

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I live in Germany, and I had ordered all the Credit cards (Master and Visa) which I used during 1994-2008 explicitly _without_ PIN -- because I did _NOT_ want them to be usable to draw cash from an ATM, only for signature based transactions. Going into a bank and obtaining cash with card, picture-

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Hi, Ole, I'm still having coherency problems after IETF 77 - sorry. What I was wondering wasn't why there is an attendees list (I remember the "where is the nearest Apple store" discussions that resulted in current practice). What I'm wondering is why we continue to set up 76attendees, 77att

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Spencer, This practice was started because the main IETF list got flooded with messages like "where is the nearest Apple store?" once we were onsite and this annoyed the folks who weren't actually at the meeting. Having it (opt-in) on a per-meeting basis makes sense to me, if we create the list

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I'm not sure I understand what problem we're solving by setting up IETF meeting-specific mailing lists each time. It's not like most of the attendees at IETF 77 weren't at at least one meeting in the previous year, and if there is a population on earth that we should expect to be able to unsubs

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This is only true for EUROPEAN issued credit cards (some of which have chips and some which don't). You can get a PIN for your US credit card, but it will NOT work for credit card purchases, only as your PIN for cash advances (like an ATM card). There is no PIN required when using US-based car

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On 30.03.10 20:13, John Levine wrote: When you pay with _credit_card_ to Dutch railway ticket machines you will be asked to enter PIN code ... European credit cards have an embedded chip that does a crypto handshake using your PIN with the bank to validate the transaction. This process is

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>When you pay with _credit_card_ to Dutch railway ticket machines you >will be asked to enter PIN code ... European credit cards have an embedded chip that does a crypto handshake using your PIN with the bank to validate the transaction. This process is known in English as chip+pin and is conside

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On Tue, 30 Mar 2010, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: The chipkaart costs 7,50 euros but the train trip between Schiphol and Maastricht is 5,85 euros cheaper with the chipkaart than with a paper ticket so you still come out ahead. You can get one from the ticket machines I believe but it probably

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On 30 mrt 2010, at 15:39, Basil Dolmatov wrote: > "OV-chipkaart" logo is already seen on some ticket machines, so I would be > glad to get an advice where and how these "chipkaarts" can be bought and > where it can be used except for train tickets purchase. (Plural of "chipkaart" is "chipkaarte

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On 2010-03-30, at 09:49, Theodore Tso wrote: > I'd recommend telling your bank and your credit card issuers that you are > planning on traveling to The Netherlands at least a week or two in advance. I'd recommend that someone creates the 78-attendees list right now, so that all this list traff

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"OV-chipkaart" logo is already seen on some ticket machines, so I would be glad to get an advice where and how these "chipkaarts" can be bought and where it can be used except for train tickets purchase. Have a look at . Maybe the iet...@sidn.nl c

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I'd recommend telling your bank and your credit card issuers that you are planning on traveling to The Netherlands at least a week or two in advance. My ATM card and two of my credit cards had a policy last year of declining all charges from that country due to large amounts of ATM/credit card

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On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:37:17AM +, Michael Dillon wrote: > Not sure if this applies to Americans, but when I lived in Canada, I > had a 5 or 6 digit pin > code I don't know about other banks, but I used to have a 6 digit PIN with the Royal Bank of Canada. They made me change it a couple ye

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Ole Jacobsen пишет: The PIN codes issued by US banks are for cash advances only, they are NOT the "required" PIN code that European credit cards use and won't work if you try to use them for a regular credit card payment. US cards do not (in general) require a PIN code for credit card payments

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Again, for US cards, these PIN codes apply to either ATM cards or for credit card cash advances (using your credit card as an [expensive] ATM card). Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: o..

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The PIN codes issued by US banks are for cash advances only, they are NOT the "required" PIN code that European credit cards use and won't work if you try to use them for a regular credit card payment. US cards do not (in general) require a PIN code for credit card payments. Ole Ole J. Jacobse

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> That reminds me: if you intend to use a credit card in electronic contexts > (such as buying train tickets at a machine, etc.), you should make sure you > know your PIN code. On the way home from Anaheim I helped some guy who had > some problems because he wasn't even aware that his card had a PI

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On 2010.03.30. 11:41, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: I'll prepare information about all of this as soon as I know the transition status during the IETF week. And in any event, there are no early booking / online booking discounts for Dutch train tickets, and buying online with Dutch Railways require

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On 30 mrt 2010, at 10:15, Marco Davids (Prive) wrote: > http://www.ietf78.nl/. Ok, one thing: I strongly recommend AGAINST purchasing any _Dutch_ train tickets before you travel. (This does not apply to international train tickets!) The Nethelands is currently making a transition from paper tic

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Dear folks, Please be advised that a special IETF 78 host website is available that already contains quite some information and practicalities: http://www.ietf78.nl/. More information will be added as it becomes available. If you are missing specific things, or have any other concerns, please d

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For what it's worth... I wasn't in Dublin, so I don't know the issue there. Was the problem like in Vienna? For me, the issue in Dublin wasn't that there were no places to eat, but that there were very few places to eat, and they were small, and we filled them up. I could walk, eat lunch, an

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ce travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht > > Iljitsch van Beijnum > > > I don't remember what I did for lunch in Vienna, but there there was > good public transport. > > I > ___ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.o

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On 29/03/2010 12:05, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: In Maastricht the situation will be different from both: because it's a small city, public transport isn't very high frequency / high capacity, but we'll be within walking distance of the city center, There are 3 bus-lines passing by the MECC, g

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

On Mar 29, 2010, at 12:05, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > suitable for travel to Maastricht, such as Cologne/Köln More useful from, say, the US (often surprisingly inexpensive), and quite reasonably connected to Maastricht: Duesseldorf (DUS). I'd probably look for BRU, DUS, AMS, FRA (in that orde

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

Note: I unintentionally wrote off some German airports that _may_ be suitable for travel to Maastricht, such as Cologne/Köln. But be careful with any of the smaller airports in the region, check ground transportation before you book or you may be in for nasty surprises. On 29 mrt 2010, at 4:37,

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

On 29/03/2010 04:37, Michael Richardson wrote: "Richard" == Richard Barnes writes: >> The MECC conference center is 2 - 3 kilometers from the city >> center, where the restaurants are. Richard> IAOC: I had been getting used to the idea of Maastricht, Richard> with it

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

On Mar 29, 2010, at 00:56, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: >> From Frankfurt it is (of course) faster to take a high speed train, and from >> Paris it's the only option. The downside of high speed trains is that you >> can't just hop on like on a regular train, you need to book or reserve a >> seat

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

- Original Message - From: "Chris Elliott" To: "Richard Barnes" Cc: "IAOC" ; "Iljitsch van Beijnum" ; "IETF-Discussion Discussion" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 11:03 AM Subject: Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht &

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

Chris Elliott wrote: Google Maps lists several restaurants in the 2-3km range walking. That's doable even by an overweight out-of-shape American like me with the normal 1.5 hours for lunch. Would do me good to spend more time walking than eating. During meetings I appreciate opportunities to

RE: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

> I wasn't in Dublin, so I don't know the issue there. > Was the problem like in Vienna? I have to say, that I didn't find Vienna a problem at all. There was a great mass transit system, and a two minute train trip to all the restaurants in the centre of town. I don't often stay at the venue tho

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

Richard, The site for the IETF in Dublin was easily an order of magnitude farther from the city center than the MECC. Google Maps lists several restaurants in the 2-3km range walking. That's doable even by an overweight out-of-shape American like me with the normal 1.5 hours for lunch. Wo

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

On 29.03.2010 04:37, Michael Richardson wrote: "Richard" == Richard Barnes writes: >> The MECC conference center is 2 - 3 kilometers from the city >> center, where the restaurants are. Richard> IAOC: I had been getting used to the idea of Maastricht, Richard> with it

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

> "Richard" == Richard Barnes writes: >> The MECC conference center is 2 - 3 kilometers from the city >> center, where the restaurants are. Richard> IAOC: I had been getting used to the idea of Maastricht, Richard> with it being historic, nice city center and all. Richard

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

[Added IAOC] Iljitsch: Thanks very much for this information. I was not aware of this: The MECC conference center is 2 - 3 kilometers from the city center, where the restaurants are. IAOC: I had been getting used to the idea of Maastricht, with it being historic, nice city center and a

Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

Even though many of you are still fighting jet lag, it's never too soon to start thinking about the next IETF meeting! Below some musings on how to get to Maastricht from various airports to aid those who want to book their plane and possibly train tickets. Lunch: But before that: Maastricht i