Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

The existence of that article IS a fact -Jorge On May 31, 2013, at 1:15 PM, "Carlos M. Martinez" wrote: > Whether OT or not you actively contribute to the mood of the discussion. > And to have a fruitful discussion on the topic I believe we MUST > accurately represent the facts, again, regardl

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Whether OT or not you actively contribute to the mood of the discussion. And to have a fruitful discussion on the topic I believe we MUST accurately represent the facts, again, regardless of being OT or not. ~Carlos On 5/31/13 3:07 PM, Jorge Amodio wrote: > > Carlos, I clearly stated that the co

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Carlos, I clearly stated that the comment was OT, ie didn't have to much relation with the discussion. I'm not overreacting or misrepresenting anything, it was just an OT comment about a blog article which IMHO I consider really stupid and completely out of lalaland. I didn't say a protest WILL ha

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Jorge, I seriously believe you're overreacting and overrepresenting the actual view of the people in Argentina. Few, if any, members of the Internet community in Argentina and neighboring countries share this view, and almost all of us can't help laughing at the ironic situation where some people

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

On 5/31/13 9:53 AM, Scott Brim wrote: > I don't know what the smiley is supposed to connote, but the IETF > responds to changes in the community by changing its engineering goals > and the problems it works on. I would add that the IETF should change the way we solve those problems as an

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

On Friday, May 31, 2013, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: > > So lets be explicit. This is a standards-setting body, which is > discussing > > outreach, inclusiveness, wider participation outcomes, and the cost > > consequences on attendance where the core motivation is standards > setting. > > Yes, let's

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

On 5/30/13, George Michaelson wrote: > At risk of alienating my comrades from locations seeking to attract an IETF > for local development/inclusiveness and the like reasons, I think John gets > to the nub of the matter: the wider community cost, borne by all attendees > as a 'silent tax' is reall

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

yes, I made a facetious posting because I sensed that we were discussing outcomes on a basis of 'nothing happened' when in fact, I think by scale, Australian participation reflects if not exceeds our numerical role in standards development and Internet matters. There is reason to believe we do accr

Re: IETF Meeting in South America (off-topic)

At 02:19 29-05-2013, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: I don't think I should follow the IETF culture to make my I-D adopted by WG, but I may follow the good/technical reasons the WG provide. We If a working group does not show any interest in working on an I-D it is a good enough reason, in my opinion

financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Hello, > I'd also say that I've never heard anyone making that sort of statement. > For instance, the argentinan government itself has a program to increase > Internet connectivity throughout the country -- > That is the web page of the program that Fernando mentions, http://www.conectariguald

IETF Meeting in South America

Hello, I agree with the Idea of a IETF meeting in South America. I think it is a way to let the people know about IETF (of course there are other ways, but this is a good one), to give the possibility to students/engineers with very good skills to get into the IETF, thinking that it is going to

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

On 29 maj 2013, at 13:31, John C Klensin wrote: > Given the differences between ICANN and the IETF, this is > relevant how? I was not clear enough on my response. I see two things discussed: 1. Whether the organisation should "move around" and place meetings here and there. There is, as man

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

--On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 08:34 +0200 Patrik Fältström wrote: > ICANN 48 is to be held in Buenos Aires, Argentina, 17-21 > November 2013, and I am looking forward to it! Patrik, ICANN has taken on a formal obligation to meet regularly in Latin America, sees significant obligation to "show

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

--On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 14:50 +1000 George Michaelson wrote: > I went to Adelaide. it was my first IETF. I am now an IETF > regular-irregular, of 10+ years standing. So, proof by > example, it increased Australian participation by at least 1. >... I think that increasing IETF participatio

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

ICANN constituencies, mission and participants are way different than IETF and an important number of folks receive financial support to participate. I believe the discussion is not really about if Buenos Aires is the right location or not but if by meeting in a particular region that will drive m

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

On 5/29/13, S Moonesamy wrote: > I wasn't unable to attend an IETF meeting some > time ago due to an administrative issue. The > proposal I intended to discuss about (it was > discussed during a session) was not > adopted. With hindsight I'll say that the > proposal would not have been adopted a

Re: More participation from under-represented regions (was: IETF Meeting in South America)

Hi SM my answer to your reply, On 5/27/13, SM wrote: > Hi Abdussalam, > At 16:38 26-05-2013, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: >>I think they SHOULD have, and all of us should do the same, because >>IETF will expand and become stronger by increasing participants from >>ALL Internet community regions. The

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

wrote: > Hello, > > I agree with the Idea of a IETF meeting in South America. > > I think it is a way to let the people know about IETF (of course there are > other ways, but this is a good one), to give the possibility to > students/engineers with very good skills to get into th

RE: IETF Meeting in South America

At 22:18 28-05-2013, GT RAMIREZ, Medel G. wrote: How about in the Philippines? I can show my homeland… I can help facilitate the event, why don’t you give it a try! In the message that was quoted the person mentioned that: "I understand that usually the place is chosen based on the most of

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

ICANN 48 is to be held in Buenos Aires, Argentina, 17-21 November 2013, and I am looking forward to it! Patrik On 29 maj 2013, at 04:27, Arturo Servin wrote: > Perhaps not. Buenos Aires is also a big hub of technology in Latin > America. In addition as it was mentioned it relatively c

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

On May 29, 2013, at 5:09 AM, Melinda Shore wrote: > On 5/28/13 3:06 PM, l.w...@surrey.ac.uk wrote: >> The centres for networking industry in Australia are Melbourne and Sydney, >> in that order. >> It's a bit like IETF 51 being held in Grimsby, not London or Cambridge. > > Okay. So, should w

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

Just wondering if some folks realize that IETF meetings are not missionary trips, conferences, conventions or industry trade shows ... -Jorge

RE: IETF Meeting in South America

IETF Meeting in South America Hello, I agree with the Idea of a IETF meeting in South America. I think it is a way to let the people know about IETF (of course there are other ways, but this is a good one), to give the possibility to students/engineers with very good skills to get into the

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

gt; > Thanks so much! > > Lloyd Wood > http://sat-net.com/L.Wood/ > > > > From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Melinda > Shore [melinda.sh...@gmail.com] > Sent: 29 May 2013 03:47 > To: ietf@ietf.org

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Hello, > I'd also say that I've never heard anyone making that sort of statement. > For instance, the argentinan government itself has a program to increase > Internet connectivity throughout the country -- > That is the web page of the program that Fernando mentions, http://www.conectariguald

IETF Meeting in South America

Hello, I agree with the Idea of a IETF meeting in South America. I think it is a way to let the people know about IETF (of course there are other ways, but this is a good one), to give the possibility to students/engineers with very good skills to get into the IETF, thinking that it is going to

RE: IETF Meeting in South America

May 2013 03:47 To: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: IETF Meeting in South America On 5/28/13 6:27 PM, Arturo Servin wrote: > Going to Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo, Mexico City or Santiago will always > split audiences as these are the major tech hubs in the region (also add > Bogota, Lima, San

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

On 5/28/13 11:47 PM, Melinda Shore wrote: > On 5/28/13 6:27 PM, Arturo Servin wrote: >> Going to Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo, Mexico City or Santiago will always >> split audiences as these are the major tech hubs in the region (also add >> Bogota, Lima, San Jose and other cities). So, I think i

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

In message <51a4e625.3020...@gmail.com>, Melinda Shore writes: > On 5/28/13 6:20 AM, Christian O'Flaherty wrote: > > Probably, this lack of social interaction in our region is one of > > the main reasons for low participation. Most of latin american > > IETFers are currently living outside the reg

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

On 5/28/13 6:27 PM, Arturo Servin wrote: > Going to Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo, Mexico City or Santiago will always > split audiences as these are the major tech hubs in the region (also add > Bogota, Lima, San Jose and other cities). So, I think it is not > comparable with Australia. I actuall

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

I think we can expect a lot of Brazilians people in Buenos Aires. Juliao Em 28/05/2013 23:09, Melinda Shore escreveu: > Okay. So, should we be extrapolating from this to what > we can expect from Brazilians if we meet in Buenos > Aires?

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

Perhaps not. Buenos Aires is also a big hub of technology in Latin America. In addition as it was mentioned it relatively close from Sao Paulo, Montevideo and Santiago. Also there are direct flights from other major cities in Peru and Colombia. Going to Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo, Me

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

On 5/28/13 3:06 PM, l.w...@surrey.ac.uk wrote: > The centres for networking industry in Australia are Melbourne and Sydney, in > that order. > It's a bit like IETF 51 being held in Grimsby, not London or Cambridge. Okay. So, should we be extrapolating from this to what we can expect from Brazil

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Not taken. It was estrange to me that it were many news about how bad Argentina is in the Brazilian press. I read frequently BBC-Brazil and other newspapers of latin america and I haven't read such things, that is why. /as On 5/28/13 8:45 PM, Juliao Braga wrote: > Arturo, > > I

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Arturo, I'm sorry that you interpret this way. But absolutely, I do not mean to offend. Only expressed a point of view and said that our Argentine friends could clarify. You can not trust the press, totally. Anyway, I apologize if there was offense. Best Regards, Juliao Em 28/05/2013 20:36, Ar

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

"not be recommended" sounds to me it sounded like "huu, scary, do not go there". /as On 5/27/13 2:31 AM, Juliao Braga wrote:> According to the news >published for a long time in Brazilian newspapers > and magazines, Buenos Aires (a wonderful place!) would not be > recommended. B

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Arturo, Who said "...huu, scary Argentina, do not go there"? Where? In this list? Em 28/05/2013 20:09, Arturo Servin escreveu: > Juliao, > > I went to all this sites (besides BBC Brazil) and searched for > Argentina. There were some news about economy, the lady President, some > about the

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

On 5/28/13 11:56 AM, Christian O'Flaherty wrote: It would seem likely when the participation is heaviliy biased towards equipment vendors and software tooling that the participants would be more representative of where the concentration of the development sideo of that work occurs. This is true,

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Juliao, I went to all this sites (besides BBC Brazil) and searched for Argentina. There were some news about economy, the lady President, some about the senate, commercial balance but none saying "huu, scary Argentina, do not go there". Regards, as On 5/28/13 7:13 PM, Juliao Braga wrote

RE: IETF Meeting in South America

> Any sense of why that didn't happen with Australians after > the Adelaide meeting? The centres for networking industry in Australia are Melbourne and Sydney, in that order. It's a bit like IETF 51 being held in Grimsby, not London or Cambridge. Lloyd Wood http://sat-net.com/L.Wood

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Fernando, Please, read the Brazilian newspapers and magazines. I'm not looking for news from Argentina. I see them and / or read just the same way that I see or read others news, always "an passant". This type of issue is not exactly my specialty or interest. But you can see a handful of recents

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Julio, On 05/28/2013 08:20 PM, Juliao Braga wrote: > > If I have to decide about a meeting in Buenos Aires based in the > information that I read in the Brazilian newspapers and magazines I > decide to no. Could you please provide pointers to such articles? Additionally, could you please summar

Re: WebRTC and emergency communications (Was: Re: IETF Meeting in South America)

On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:20 AM, James Polk wrote: > Quoting Henning: > "At least in the US, many of the WebRTC services would be considered > "interconnected VoIP", so they are indeed subject to 911 obligations." > > James > > BTW- yeah, I know I'm picking a fight - but Jari singled this topic

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

> It would seem likely when the participation is heaviliy biased towards > equipment vendors and software tooling that the participants would be more > representative of where the concentration of the development sideo of that > work occurs. This is true, but this is also something where active pa

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Melinda Shore wrote: > On 5/28/13 6:20 AM, Christian O'Flaherty wrote: >> Probably, this lack of social interaction in our region is one of >> the main reasons for low participation. Most of latin american >> IETFers are currently living outside the region and they

Re: WebRTC and emergency communications (Was: Re: IETF Meeting in South America)

On May 28, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Richard Barnes wrote: > I would suggest we not try to sort out on this list which sorts of Internet > services are subject to American regulations. Or those of any other jurisdiction. If jurisdiction Z comes to the IETF and says "we have declared protocol A to be

Re: [Isoc-br] IETF Meeting in South America

Dear Rogério Mariano, You have a great deal of experience. Since the mission of the IETF is to make the Internet better, could you point out specific problems that you would like to work on in the IETF? When you say "infrastructure and standardization", that is very general. If there were an IE

Re: WebRTC and emergency communications (Was: Re: IETF Meeting in South America)

I would suggest we not try to sort out on this list which sorts of Internet services are subject to American regulations. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 2:20 PM, James Polk wrote: > At 11:58 AM 5/28/2013, Ted Hardie wrote: > > On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Jari Arkko <> jari.ar...@piuha.net>**jar

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Dear Fernando, If I have to decide about a meeting in Buenos Aires based in the information that I read in the Brazilian newspapers and magazines I decide to no. By this reason I need to listen from Argentine people, as you. I believe this is the right way to decide. The choice of Buenos Aires is

Re: WebRTC and emergency communications (Was: Re: IETF Meeting in South America)

At 11:58 AM 5/28/2013, Ted Hardie wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Jari Arkko <jari.ar...@piuha.net> wrote: James: > did you know that you have a audio/video realtime interactive communications WG churning out proposals and solutions that is *actively* ign

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

The bad things that happen in Argentina financially affect only Argentinians. I'm not saying this is a good thing overall, just saying that this isn't a problem for tourists and certainly won't be a problem for IETFers. Probably these financial 'issues' will even affect positively the conference's

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Julio, I'm worried about people making statements on a random basis. I assume that many people (IAOC and many others) have made a lot of effort before getting to the point of formally proposing/suggesting to have an IETF meeting in Buenos Aires. I bet much of that effort had to do with making an

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

On 5/23/13 8:02 PM, David Conrad wrote: On May 23, 2013, at 7:44 PM, Melinda Shore wrote: So the question is why we aren't seeing more drafts, reviews, and discussions from people in Central and South America, Language? It would seem likely when the participation is heaviliy biased towards eq

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

On 5/28/13 6:20 AM, Christian O'Flaherty wrote: > Probably, this lack of social interaction in our region is one of > the main reasons for low participation. Most of latin american > IETFers are currently living outside the region and they engaged in > the IETF when living in the US or Europe. It's

Re: WebRTC and emergency communications (Was: Re: IETF Meeting in South America)

On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Jari Arkko wrote: > James: > > > did you know that you have a audio/video realtime interactive > communications WG churning out proposals and solutions that is *actively* > ignoring "emergency communications" in its entirety? No? Look at RTCweb, > which will beco

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Hi Fernando, Please, read my sentence complementary to comment: "...But who should tell us about the true cenary would be our Argentine friends." Regards, Julião Em 28/05/2013 10:36, Fernando Gont escreveu: > On 05/27/2013 07:31 AM, Juliao Braga wrote: >> According to the news published for a l

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Hi, Tim, On 05/27/2013 09:19 AM, Tim Chown wrote: >>> The move appears to be related to new, restrictive >>> regulations the Argentine government has imposed on currency exchanges.' >>> According to the Telegraph, 'The new regulations required anyone wanting >>> to change Argentine pesos into anot

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Jorge, On 05/27/2013 08:16 AM, Jorge Amodio wrote: > > I feel that is totally OT but for example we have supporters of the > current government like this one, claiming to be a writer, that if you > are able to read in Spanish or helped by a translator to read his > article, you will learn that he

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

On 05/27/2013 07:31 AM, Juliao Braga wrote: > According to the news published for a long time in Brazilian newspapers > and magazines, Buenos Aires (a wonderful place!) would not be > recommended. Recommended for what? And on what basis? Cheers, -- Fernando Gont e-mail: ferna...@gont.com.ar || f

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

> > The IETF has a big problem, IMHO, in that effective participation really does > currently seem to require meeting attendance. There's a reason > that nomcom members have to show up—if they didn't, they wouldn't be part of > the actual culture of IETF, because so much IETF culture is > bound

Re: Re: More participation from under-represented regions (was: IETF Meeting in South America)

I support to try the new meeting sites such as South America or Africa. Jiankang Yao From: Abdussalam Baryun Date: 2013-05-27 07:38 To: SM CC: ietf; dcrocker Subject: Re: More participation from under-represented regions (was: IETF Meeting in South America) I support to add the new region

[Isoc-br] IETF Meeting in South America

Dear IETF Managers, My name is Rogério Mariano and I`m a member of the Internet Society (Global Member # 339380) and a student of Internet Governance Programme (IGCBP) DiploFoundation and Consultant for the definition and operation of the Service Provider direction related to the technical archite

Re: WebRTC and emergency communications (Was: Re: IETF Meeting in South America)

e: 05/25/2013 03:10 AM > Subject: WebRTC and emergency communications (Was: Re: IETF Meeting > in South America) > Sent by: ietf-boun...@ietf.org > > James: > > > did you know that you have a audio/video realtime interactive > communications WG churning out propos

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

On May 28, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Eric Burger wrote: > Riiight. That is why one never has to attend an IETF meeting in person to > serve on NOMCOM, one does not need travel support from one's employer to be > on the IESG, and why people who never come to IETF meetings are the rule and > not the exce

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

Riiight. That is why one never has to attend an IETF meeting in person to serve on NOMCOM, one does not need travel support from one's employer to be on the IESG, and why people who never come to IETF meetings are the rule and not the exception with respect to getting documents adopted and publi

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

Hi, Actually it's not industry that I hear complaining, but individuals. Eliot On 5/27/13 10:08 AM, Jari Arkko wrote: > Melinda wrote: >> The industry sector bias in IETF participation is >> possibly compounding the regional bias. > > Yes. > > Jari > > >

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

On 5/27/2013 11:38 PM, Christian O'Flaherty wrote: I would like to follow up on this proposal. Having a meeting in South America scheduled two or three years in advance will let us engage local organisations and individuals on a "project". We did several activities in the region trying to encoura

Re: WebRTC and emergency communications (Was: Re: IETF Meeting in South America)

Keep in mind, though, that the binary decision is usually per site. So if the PSAP is web-enabled, the user can provide location to 911.gov, and not anyone else. That seems like a solution that's more likely to deploy than something that requires the browser to distinguish emergency from non-emer

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

Hi, On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 5:08 AM, Jari Arkko wrote: > I'm not quite sure the currency exchange issues are key for this discussion. > FWIW, I think you can still budget in Euros for the Berlin meeting, > but I'm only 97% sure :-) > > Anyway, I wanted to highlight that, as has been pointed out

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

On 27 May 2013, at 16:37, John R Levine wrote: >> Is this above advice from Tripadvisor correct? > > I believe so, but when I was there a few years ago for the ICANN meeting, > excess cash was not a problem. It wasn't hard to estimate how much cash I'd > need, and whatever was left I spent at

Re: WebRTC and emergency communications (Was: Re: IETF Meeting in South America)

On May 27, 2013 10:56 AM, "Henning Schulzrinne" wrote: > > Agreed - this is not so much about standards, but developer awareness. If we write any "how to" or similar informational documents, they should probably contain that type of discussion. > > There is a browser aspect, however: Right now, us

Re: WebRTC and emergency communications (Was: Re: IETF Meeting in South America)

Agreed - this is not so much about standards, but developer awareness. If we write any "how to" or similar informational documents, they should probably contain that type of discussion. There is a browser aspect, however: Right now, users only have a binary choice about location disclosure, eve

Re: WebRTC and emergency communications (Was: Re: IETF Meeting in South America)

Even for location delivery, there's not that much to say at the standards layer. For *delivery*, the story is the same as with signaling. Either the RTCWeb VoIP service can translate the location information to comply with RFC 6442, or the PSAP can just build a web app that collects it however it

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

You should double check, regulations about currency markets are changing very often, custom/immigration officials will almost for sure ask you how much currency you are bringing and for what, and as the trip advisor page says don't expect to be able to convert back leftover pesos to foreign currenc

Re: WebRTC and emergency communications (Was: Re: IETF Meeting in South America)

The most difficult part for any emergency calling system is location delivery. WebRTC probably doesn't have much impact on emergency calls if all the calls traverse a server of some kind and if the caller location can be looked up based on caller IP addresses, but once you have the end system in

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

Is this above advice from Tripadvisor correct? I believe so, but when I was there a few years ago for the ICANN meeting, excess cash was not a problem. It wasn't hard to estimate how much cash I'd need, and whatever was left I spent at the airport. The wine they drink in Argentina is often

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

I'm not quite sure the currency exchange issues are key for this discussion. FWIW, I think you can still budget in Euros for the Berlin meeting, but I'm only 97% sure :-) Anyway, I wanted to highlight that, as has been pointed out by many, just meeting at some place makes little sense. But the

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

On 27 May 2013, at 05:15, "John Levine" wrote: >> The move appears to be related to new, restrictive >> regulations the Argentine government has imposed on currency exchanges.' >> According to the Telegraph, 'The new regulations required anyone wanting >> to change Argentine pesos into another

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

The financial and political current situation is more complex than just the manipulation and restrictions on currency exchange and payment of obligations. I feel that is totally OT but for example we have supporters of the current government like this one, claiming to be a writer, that if you a

Re: More participation from under-represented regions (was: IETF Meeting in South America)

Hi Abdussalam, At 16:38 26-05-2013, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: I think they SHOULD have, and all of us should do the same, because IETF will expand and become stronger by increasing participants from ALL Internet community regions. The answers also based on IETF vesion. The question was about wha

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

According to the news published for a long time in Brazilian newspapers and magazines, Buenos Aires (a wonderful place!) would not be recommended. But who should tell us about the true cenary would be our Argentine friends. Juliao Em 27/05/2013 01:15, John Levine escreveu: > These kinds of curren

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

> The move appears to be related to new, restrictive > regulations the Argentine government has imposed on currency exchanges.' > According to the Telegraph, 'The new regulations required anyone wanting > to change Argentine pesos into another currency to submit an online > request for permissi

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

Just to make the topic a little more interesting... Google Unable To Keep Paying App Developers In Argentina http://developers.slashdot.org/story/13/05/25/132232/google-unable-to-keep-paying-app-developers-in-argentina "Google has sent letters to app developers registered in Argentina

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

I support the ietf-meeting in new regions, and reply as below, On 5/26/13, Dave Crocker wrote: > The IAOC has put forward two reasons for having an IETF meeting in South > America: > >> Encouraging growing participation will help strengthen the Internet, >> further encoura

Re: More participation from under-represented regions (was: IETF Meeting in South America)

I support to add the new region, hoping in future Africa gets its chance. IMO, I thought about it from another point of view. After a long time of having IETF meetings mostly in one region (as history of North America region gaining most meetings), the result of that was that IETF participants are

Re: [Recentattendees] IETF Meeting in South America

--On Sunday, May 26, 2013 15:46 -0400 Ray Pelletier wrote: > The venues are in Buenos Aires. They meet our requirements > for the meeting space, networking, nearby restaurants and > bars, hotel room rates in the mid $200 dollar range, nearby > alternate hotels at a broad range of prices, nice

More participation from under-represented regions (was: IETF Meeting in South America)

At 09:42 26-05-2013, Dave Crocker wrote: I like visiting South America. But IETF meetings do not have tourism as a goal. So yes, I'm sure those who go will "enjoy" the city; but again, that's not stated purpose of choosing venues. Over a year ago "the IAOC [was] pleased to announce the Retur

Re: WebRTC and emergency communications (Was: Re: IETF Meeting in South America)

Indeed, there has already been some coordination between the groups, going back about a year: So my read of the situation is much less dire than James's. As I understand it, t

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

This is the main question with one pragmatic solution proposal in brief, and well justified! Juliao Em 26/05/2013 13:42, Dave Crocker escreveu: > If we are serious about wanting more participation from > under-represented regions, then let's attack that issue seriously and > substantively, rather

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

The IAOC has put forward two reasons for having an IETF meeting in South America: Encouraging growing participation will help strengthen the Internet, further encourage participation from those areas that will see the most growth in the coming years, and will help advance the IETF in political

Re: WebRTC and emergency communications (Was: Re: IETF Meeting in South America)

> I don't think there is any general solution to the "early vs. > complete" tradeoff [1], IMHO, that general answer is; having good organisation or management from all parts participants, discussion chairs and from directors. > nor, as long as we keep trying to deal > with things as collections o

Re: WebRTC and emergency communications (Was: Re: IETF Meeting in South America)

--On Saturday, May 25, 2013 10:10 +0300 Jari Arkko wrote: >... > I didn't know about the details of the emergency > communications situation. But it is always difficult to > balance getting something out early vs. complete. I know how > much pressure there is on the working groups to keep up wi

WebRTC and emergency communications (Was: Re: IETF Meeting in South America)

James: > did you know that you have a audio/video realtime interactive communications > WG churning out proposals and solutions that is *actively* ignoring > "emergency communications" in its entirety? No? Look at RTCweb, which will > become a dominant form of interactive communications between

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

>My question is about whether we would be there during the "peak" season, >and when exactly is that season? I gather you're in Ottawa. Here's Air Canada's calendar rules for their lowest fare to EZE: ORIGINATING CANADA - PERMITTED 01JAN THROUGH 08JUL OR 06AUG THROUGH 16SEP OR 01OCT TH

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 11:04 PM, Arturo Servin wrote: > > I have been lurking IETF for many years, but it was only after I > went > to my first meeting that I really understood how the IETF worked and how > to really participate. > > After that meeting I started to send comments,

RE: IETF Meeting in South America

.@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Michael Richardson Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 7:13 AM To: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: IETF Meeting in South America >>>>> "The" == The IAOC writes: The> The venues are in Buenos Aires. They meet our requir

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

Joel, This isn't 100% true. While our dates are not "fungible," we could *consider* a date move, say +/- a week *if* this would give us availability in a certain location. This would of course be the *exception* and not the rule (which you have correct), but *if* we found that, say, moving IE

Re: [ericas] IETF Meeting in South America

Hi Stephen, Good answers! Now we know about what we are talking. Thank you. My comments in the text: Em 24/05/2013 16:19, Stephen Farrell escreveu: > In my mind at least there's a 0-th level requirement > that comes before these: > > 0. Make the Internet better by getting more geographically >

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

On 5/24/13 11:37 AM, Doug Barton wrote: On 05/24/2013 11:29 AM, joel jaeggli wrote: probably because I've been involved in the planning loop since 44. ... and you're also involved in planning for LACNIC, LACTLD, LACNOG, and every other regional organization in Latin America that might be int

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

On 05/24/2013 11:29 AM, joel jaeggli wrote: probably because I've been involved in the planning loop since 44. ... and you're also involved in planning for LACNIC, LACTLD, LACNOG, and every other regional organization in Latin America that might be interested in running their meeting before o

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