Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion

2010-08-10 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 8/2/2010 11:34 AM, Steve Atkins wrote: A -1 on ever altering the From: field for any reason other than special requirements of the people running a specific mailing list. A +1 in support of that -1. The view that modifying the From: is helpful has no empirical basis. I'll claim that

Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion

2010-08-10 Thread Scott Kitterman
Dave CROCKER d...@dcrocker.net wrote: On 8/2/2010 11:34 AM, Steve Atkins wrote: A -1 on ever altering the From: field for any reason other than special requirements of the people running a specific mailing list. A +1 in support of that -1. The view that modifying the From: is helpful has

Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion

2010-08-02 Thread Jeff Macdonald
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy m...@cloudmark.com wrote: Some offlist feedback I wanted to bounce to the list to gauge consensus: a) Section 5.1 currently advocates a warning to new subscribers to an MLM with a highly restrictive ADSP policy.  Should this be stronger,

Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion

2010-08-02 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim- boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Macdonald Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:53 AM To: DKIM List Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion c) A -1 to the idea

Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion

2010-08-02 Thread Scott Kitterman
on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion c) A -1 to the idea of altering From: to cope with ADSP; the reason given: This presumes endpoints will understand a DKIM-related From:-altered message. I must of missed that point in Daniel's thread. I hadn't realized

Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion

2010-08-02 Thread Steve Atkins
On Aug 2, 2010, at 11:13 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: -Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim- boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Macdonald Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:53 AM To: DKIM List Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf

Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion

2010-08-02 Thread Douglas Otis
On 8/1/10 3:22 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: Some offlist feedback I wanted to bounce to the list to gauge consensus: a) Section 5.1 currently advocates a warning to new subscribers to an MLM with a highly restrictive ADSP policy. Should this be stronger, such as “a warning is advised,

[ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion

2010-08-01 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
Some offlist feedback I wanted to bounce to the list to gauge consensus: a) Section 5.1 currently advocates a warning to new subscribers to an MLM with a highly restrictive ADSP policy. Should this be stronger, such as a warning is advised, and full denial should be considered? b) Would it be

Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion

2010-08-01 Thread John Levine
a) Section 5.1 currently advocates a warning to new subscribers to an MLM with a highly restrictive ADSP policy. Should this be stronger, such as a warning is advised, and full denial should be considered? Yes, since the damage from ADSP can affect other subscribers. b) Would it be a good idea

Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion

2010-08-01 Thread Daniel Black
On Monday 02 August 2010 08:22:15 Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: Some offlist feedback I wanted to bounce to the list to gauge consensus: a) Section 5.1 currently advocates a warning to new subscribers to an MLM with a highly restrictive ADSP policy. Should this be stronger, such as a warning

Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion

2010-08-01 Thread Michael Thomas
On 08/01/2010 03:22 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: Some offlist feedback I wanted to bounce to the list to gauge consensus: a) Section 5.1 currently advocates a warning to new subscribers to an MLM with a highly restrictive ADSP policy. Should this be stronger, such as “a warning is advised,

Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion

2010-08-01 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim- boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Black Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 4:48 PM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion b) Would