Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion

2010-08-10 Thread Scott Kitterman
"Dave CROCKER" wrote: > > >On 8/2/2010 11:34 AM, Steve Atkins wrote: >> A "-1" on ever altering the From: field for any reason other than special >> requirements of the people running a specific mailing list. > > >A +1 in support of that -1. > >The view that modifying the From: is helpful has n

Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion

2010-08-10 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 8/2/2010 11:34 AM, Steve Atkins wrote: > A "-1" on ever altering the From: field for any reason other than special > requirements of the people running a specific mailing list. A +1 in support of that -1. The view that modifying the From: is helpful has no empirical basis. I'll claim tha

Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion

2010-08-02 Thread Douglas Otis
On 8/1/10 3:22 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > > Some offlist feedback I wanted to bounce to the list to gauge consensus: > > a) Section 5.1 currently advocates a warning to new subscribers to an > MLM with a highly restrictive ADSP policy. Should this be stronger, > such as “a warning is advise

Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion

2010-08-02 Thread Michael Thomas
On 08/02/2010 11:21 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: I think this is worth considering. In discussions with one of the developers > of a major open source MLM, he mentioned to me that they've had feature > requests over the years to alter From due to privacy/spambot harvesting > reasons, so this isn't

Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion

2010-08-02 Thread Steve Atkins
Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for >> discussion >> >>> c) A "-1" to the idea of altering From: to cope with ADSP; the reason >> given: >>> "This presumes endpoints will understand a DKIM-related From:-altered

Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion

2010-08-02 Thread Scott Kitterman
IM List > > Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for > > discussion > > > > > c) A "-1" to the idea of altering From: to cope with ADSP; the reason > > > > given: > > > "This presumes endpoints will understand

Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion

2010-08-02 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
> -Original Message- > From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim- > boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Macdonald > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:53 AM > To: DKIM List > Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for > discu

Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion

2010-08-02 Thread Jeff Macdonald
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > Some offlist feedback I wanted to bounce to the list to gauge consensus: > > > > a) Section 5.1 currently advocates a warning to new subscribers to an MLM > with a highly restrictive ADSP policy.  Should this be stronger, such as “a > wa

Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion

2010-08-01 Thread Steve Atkins
org >> Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for >> discussion >> >>> b) Would it be a good idea to suggest MLM implementers make signing >> of >>> submissions into a user-configurable option? >> >> Which signing are you

Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion

2010-08-01 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
> -Original Message- > From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim- > boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Black > Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 4:48 PM > To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org > Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglist

Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion

2010-08-01 Thread Michael Thomas
On 08/01/2010 03:22 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > Some offlist feedback I wanted to bounce to the list to gauge consensus: > > a) Section 5.1 currently advocates a warning to new subscribers to an > MLM with a highly restrictive ADSP policy. Should this be stronger, such > as “a warning is advis

Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion

2010-08-01 Thread Daniel Black
On Monday 02 August 2010 08:22:15 Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > Some offlist feedback I wanted to bounce to the list to gauge consensus: > > a) Section 5.1 currently advocates a warning to new subscribers to an MLM > with a highly restrictive ADSP policy. Should this be stronger, such as > "a warn

Re: [ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion

2010-08-01 Thread John Levine
>a) Section 5.1 currently advocates a warning to new subscribers to an >MLM with a highly restrictive ADSP policy. Should this be stronger, >such as "a warning is advised, and full denial should be considered"? Yes, since the damage from ADSP can affect other subscribers. >b) Would it be a good

[ietf-dkim] Feedback on draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists for discussion

2010-08-01 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
Some offlist feedback I wanted to bounce to the list to gauge consensus: a) Section 5.1 currently advocates a warning to new subscribers to an MLM with a highly restrictive ADSP policy. Should this be stronger, such as "a warning is advised, and full denial should be considered"? b) Would it b