Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-12-08 Thread linuxlingam
Hi sandip, i thought you wanted to meet me at foss.in? Have been looking for you, and now within another 4 hours the event is over. There were some interesting talks here on foss audio, and quite a few people from ilug-d (except msn, who's gone missing) niyam -- niyam bhushan

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-12-02 Thread Linux Lingam
On Dec 1, 2007 2:07 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01-Dec-07, at 1:47 PM, Linux Lingam wrote: a talk by you at the next ilug-d meeting on this. what else! yea! you've been volunteered. how come you never volunteer anyone who is less than a 1000 kilometers away from

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-12-02 Thread Linux Lingam
On Dec 1, 2007 5:41 PM, Saleem Ansari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have an IPOD. I use the free rockbox software on it (I did have to build a cross compiling tool chain on my machine). Plays oggs. Works as a 60GB USB key. What more can one ask? manoj Hey, Just

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-12-02 Thread Linux Lingam
On Dec 1, 2007 7:52 PM, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 01 Dec 2007, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: [snip] Is it true that wav and mp3 are considered proprietary and that no FOSS person can listen to them? I am having problems with arichuvadi because of this - everything is in

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-12-02 Thread Linux Lingam
ell,, I'd love to give a talk, but it might be a year or so before I am in Delhi again (The last couple of visits to India I _have_ indeed flown in through Delhi). In the meanwhile, I'll try looking over my old notes and see if I can blog about how I created a gcc cross compiler

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-12-02 Thread Linux Lingam
So which speakers did you finally end up buying? hehehee. would be very cheap of me to give you an answer with a brand name and model. :-) otoh, here are a few reasons why i shortlisted that one: a) mp3 compresses sound by dicarding a lot of frequencies. if you're sensitive to harmonics,

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-12-02 Thread Linux Lingam
so its ok to shift from ogg to MP3? as a matter of foss-principle, i would opposte the idea. stick to ogg. write a brief intro on how to playback ogg. besides, technically ogg at high-compression sounds much better. :-) niyam ___ ilugd

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-12-02 Thread Vikas Rawal
oh! great. okay, here's my standing offer to the entire ilug-d community. i'd be glad to join anyone who wishes to go out ear-pricking for speakers or gear. will carry some of my reference sample sounds and files which can highlight flaws in even the most sensitive gear. you could start by

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-12-02 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 03-Dec-07, at 5:37 AM, Linux Lingam wrote: so its ok to shift from ogg to MP3? as a matter of foss-principle, i would opposte the idea. stick to ogg. write a brief intro on how to playback ogg. but when even *you* who is the guru of sound, cannot play whats on the site, whats the

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-12-02 Thread Raj Mathur
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 03 Dec 2007, Linux Lingam wrote: On Dec 1, 2007 7:52 PM, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 01 Dec 2007, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: [snip] Is it true that wav and mp3 are considered proprietary and that no FOSS person

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-12-02 Thread Anant Narayanan
On 03-Dec-07, at 9:20 AM, Raj Mathur wrote: 1. MP3 is covered by software patents. 2. India does not have software patents. When you put (1) and (2) together, the only conclusion that you can reach is that MP3 is not patentable in India, and hence free to use. OTOH, the headline of today's

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-12-02 Thread Sandip Bhattacharya
Linux Lingam wrote: So which speakers did you finally end up buying? hehehee. would be very cheap of me to give you an answer with a brand name and model. :-) otoh, here are a few reasons why i shortlisted that one: a) mp3 compresses sound by dicarding a lot of frequencies. if

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-12-02 Thread Linux Lingam
This is done by the speakers? I thought this kind of audio processing was done by AVRs. e.g. Yamaha calls it the Compressed Music Enhancer [1] [1] http://www.yamaha.com/yec/technology/detail.html?CNTID=451121 oh there are things that yamaha have done which are quite mind-blowing with

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-12-02 Thread Linux Lingam
On Dec 3, 2007 6:45 AM, Vikas Rawal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh! great. okay, here's my standing offer to the entire ilug-d community. i'd be glad to join anyone who wishes to go out ear-pricking for speakers or gear. will carry some of my reference sample sounds and files which can

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-12-02 Thread Linux Lingam
On Dec 3, 2007 7:00 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 03-Dec-07, at 5:37 AM, Linux Lingam wrote: so its ok to shift from ogg to MP3? as a matter of foss-principle, i would opposte the idea. stick to ogg. write a brief intro on how to playback ogg. but when even

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-12-02 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 03-Dec-07, at 11:36 AM, Linux Lingam wrote: when i get back from foss.in am going to reformat and install either feisty or gutsy. haven't heard too many rave reviews of gutsy but what the heck [waits for kenneth to recommend mandriva :-) ] upgrade to mandriva -- regards Kenneth

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-12-01 Thread Linux Lingam
...or perhaps buy your MP3 players from a more FOSS-friendly and less DRM-friendly company. Regards, -- Raju yeah raj, i ain't brand conscious at all. i have a trusty and cheap 1.5gbcoby mp3player that turned out to have one of the best mp3 decoders in town at that time. i checked

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-12-01 Thread Linux Lingam
I have an IPOD. I use the free rockbox software on it (I did have to build a cross compiling tool chain on my machine). Plays oggs. Works as a 60GB USB key. What more can one ask? awesome! manoj, i know what more one can ask. a talk by you at the next ilug-d meeting on this.

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-12-01 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 01-Dec-07, at 1:47 PM, Linux Lingam wrote: a talk by you at the next ilug-d meeting on this. what else! yea! you've been volunteered. how come you never volunteer anyone who is less than a 1000 kilometers away from Delhi? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-12-01 Thread Linux Lingam
On Dec 1, 2007 7:32 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: stick to ogg -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] yeah kenneth, ogg is superior to mp3 in low-to-mid settings, that is, when files are heavily compressed. at audiophile-quality, not even

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-12-01 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 01-Dec-07, at 2:03 PM, Linux Lingam wrote: none was available in the indian market then. today we finally have choices. what's your ogg player? do you convert mp3 to ogg, or do you convert wav to ogg? which software do you prefer? in the first place I dont listen to music (it's just

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-12-01 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 01-Dec-07, at 2:27 PM, mehul wrote: I am having problems with arichuvadi because of this - everything is in ogg, and no-one except Suse and Mandriva users can use it. WIth right plugins everyone should be able to. It had worked fine for me on firefox + gentoo. I believe it's he

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-12-01 Thread Saleem Ansari
I have an IPOD. I use the free rockbox software on it (I did have to build a cross compiling tool chain on my machine). Plays oggs. Works as a 60GB USB key. What more can one ask? manoj Hey, Just installed rockbox ( www.rockbox.org ) on my Ipod Video (30GB, 5th Generation

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-12-01 Thread Raj Mathur
On Saturday 01 Dec 2007, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: [snip] Is it true that wav and mp3 are considered proprietary and that no FOSS person can listen to them? I am having problems with arichuvadi because of this - everything is in ogg, and no-one except Suse and Mandriva users can use it. MP3

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-12-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:47:58 +0530, Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have an IPOD. I use the free rockbox software on it (I did have to build a cross compiling tool chain on my machine). Plays oggs. Works as a 60GB USB key. What more can one ask? awesome! manoj, i know what more one

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-12-01 Thread Kazim Zaidi
On 01/12/2007, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...or perhaps buy your MP3 players from a more FOSS-friendly and less DRM-friendly company. like Creative Zen series? Uses MTP and works out of the box when connected to USB using gnomad2. Its just great! - Kazim Zaidi Blog:

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-12-01 Thread Sandip Bhattacharya
Linux Lingam wrote: by the way, that ear-training tip really works. here's what i recommend: before you set out to buy any audio gear, spend about a week or atleast 21 days with solfege, the gpl ear-training software. say about 30 minutes a day. you may spend more time if you wish. for those

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-12-01 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 01-Dec-07, at 7:52 PM, Raj Mathur wrote: Is it true that wav and mp3 are considered proprietary and that no FOSS person can listen to them? I am having problems with arichuvadi because of this - everything is in ogg, and no-one except Suse and Mandriva users can use it. MP3 isn't

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-11-30 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 01-Dec-07, at 7:26 AM, Raj Mathur wrote: [snip] Moral of the story - Stick to one application for transferring any songs. ...or perhaps buy your MP3 players from a more FOSS-friendly and less DRM-friendly company. stick to ogg -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-11-30 Thread Raj Mathur
On Saturday 01 Dec 2007, Devendra Laulkar wrote: [snip] Moral of the story - Stick to one application for transferring any songs. ...or perhaps buy your MP3 players from a more FOSS-friendly and less DRM-friendly company. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-11-30 Thread मनीष
On Dec 1, 2007 7:32 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01-Dec-07, at 7:26 AM, Raj Mathur wrote: [snip] Moral of the story - Stick to one application for transferring any songs. ...or perhaps buy your MP3 players from a more FOSS-friendly and less DRM-friendly company.

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-11-30 Thread Linux Lingam
Moral of the story - Stick to one application for transferring any songs. -Devendra. if iTunes ain't the one. don't wanna use it, don't wanna install it, don't wanna know it. which is the one that ensures when i start with connectin' for some juice from my faithful iron here, my bonney

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-11-30 Thread Anant Narayanan
what gives? anybody, jimi hendrix wants to know are you experienced? have you ever connected a spankin' new pod straight out of the box to the linux thing and got it singin' the blue-screen of death metal? It depends on the firmware version. All versions except the latest one are

[ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-11-30 Thread Linux Lingam
dear all, have always heard that ipods work beautifully with ubuntu and with amarok. so here's this fresh-mint sealed classic 80gb ipod on my desk, nah! not mine. i wouldn't buy that overpriced undersized pineapple. i connect the ipod, and rhythmbox wants to take over. i quit it, and open the

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-11-30 Thread Devendra Laulkar
Hi, P.S. In any case, it is possible to restore the iPod to factory defaults erasing everything on the disk. Even if the initialization goes awry you can always connect it to iTunes and restore it. Not necessarily. My ipod was rendered unusable for about 3-4 months before I could get it

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-11-30 Thread Linux Lingam
It depends on the firmware version. All versions except the latest one are supported by Amarok, libgpod, rythmbox et. al. and you can safely use them to create the iTunesDB. If you use the iPod with Linux only, i.e. never try to upgrade to the latest firmware via iTunes, the iPod will

Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

2007-11-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 07:26:32 +0530, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Saturday 01 Dec 2007, Devendra Laulkar wrote: [snip] Moral of the story - Stick to one application for transferring any songs. ...or perhaps buy your MP3 players from a more FOSS-friendly and less DRM-friendly