DNSStuff.com has the look up tool that will redirect to the correct registrar.
Thanks Scott for providing that for us. I have been using DNSStuff.com for a few years
now, even before i knew it was tied to declude.
The Other Scott
-- Original Message --
Fro
Wanna know who owns the IP go here http://www.arin.net/ for those that
don't know about them.
At 12:58 PM 4/13/2004, you wrote:
I took it as a challenge too and checked my spambox. Took about 5 seconds
to type "CTL-F" and search for .fr within just the spam folder.
Out of currently 1313 pieces
The basic AS stuff like SMTP Control access, Kill.lst and rules.ima takes
care of this.
Then can add V8 AS features and third party utilities like
Declude/Phase/URLBL List manager to tighten the noose.
Admining any email system takes some time which can be lessened by using
3rd utilities.
It
http://www.spamlaws.com/docs/2002-58-ec.pdf
> tons of IPs all over .it, .fr, .de, .uk, .pl, .be, .nl, .es Mostly
> subscribers on cable/dsl/dialup netowks.
As I said: zombies
...and the controllers of this zombies sits... who knows?
I mean there are practically no more messages comming from t
> My point isn't that I can prove that spam laws aren't
> worthwhile. However, if you believe that once legislation is
> passed all of the spammers will think to themselves, "The
> party is over. Time to give up spamming and volunteer at an
> Aids hospice.", you are incredibly naïve.
Even if
1:53 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Spam Challenge
> Please take 30 more seconds and find an email from a company,
> and not a single person that is impossible to identify.
I certainly understand your point. I would certainly support any legislation
that would p
I took it as a challenge too and checked my spambox. Took about 5 seconds
to type "CTL-F" and search for .fr within just the spam folder.
Out of currently 1313 pieces of email in there I found 40 that purport to
be from a .fr address. Here are some from the first handful out of that list.
Recei
> tons of IPs all over .it, .fr, .de, .uk, .pl, .be, .nl, .es
> Mostly subscribers on cable/dsl/dialup netowks.
As I said: zombies
...and the controllers of this zombies sits... who knows?
I mean there are practically no more messages comming from the own or
neighbor countries sending marketin
> Please take 30 more seconds and find an email from a company,
> and not a single person that is impossible to identify.
I certainly understand your point. I would certainly support any legislation that
would provide
penalties for spammers, the tougher the better. Clearly the laws in Europe hav
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pierre Mengal
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 12:27 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Spam Challenge
Please take 30 more seconds and find an email from a company, and not a
single person that i
> Really? Funny... I still get plenty of spam in my spam
> folder from EU addresses.
Mailfrom or IP's?
tons of IPs all over .it, .fr, .de, .uk, .pl, .be, .nl, .es Mostly
subscribers on cable/dsl/dialup netowks.
Len
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avril 2004 19:22
> À : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet : RE: [IMail Forum] Spam Challenge
>
> For whatever it is worth, it took me less than 30 seconds to
> find spam in my spambox from France.
>
> Actual message removed so it won't trip people's spam
> filters. Na
Many thanks to Marius (private), Ed and Dave for answering my questions.
Thanks to the others too for sharing with me their point of view.
If you have those spam coming from companies based in EU, I'm really
interested to see some of them. Forward them to me in private. Thanks !
Best regards,
For whatever it is worth, it took me less than 30 seconds to find spam in my spambox
from France.
Actual message removed so it won't trip people's spam filters. Names changed to
protect the
innocent.
Paul Navarre
***
>From <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thu Apr 08 09:06:27 2004
Received:
> Really? Funny... I still get plenty of spam in my spam
> folder from EU addresses.
Mailfrom or IP's?
Markus
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> No it's real. Since that law, spam coming from EU countries
> have almost completely stopped.
>
> Of course I'm in Belgium, I can't say it is the same in other
> EU countries... But I think it is the same in most of them.
Italy speaking here and I can confirm this. Spam comming from local or
> Almost all spam I get are coming from US. I'm sure it will help.
I agree that it will help but only for a little while. My company
aggressively pursues junk faxers and 99/100 these days are doing business in
Canada (the vast majority) or the Caribbean. I can't imagine that it will
be much dif
We are really infested by spam, and this is becoming a serious problem.
We can't spend so many time to sort real spam and and customer emails. So
sometimes, a customer email is put into quarantine, which is a disaster.
c/r breaks all kinds of mail, esp send-only servers like travel
reservations
> >The only thing that will reduce spam is solid laws in US.
>
> How will a "Federal" law passed in Washington DC (let alone a
> law passed by a State, City, etc...) affect how a spammer
> operating in Costa Rica, China or Korea goes about his "business"?
Almost all spam I get are coming from U
It won't even affect US spammers as they just move their operations off shore to Asia.
-- Original Message --
From: Dave Riddle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:57:10 -0700
>
>>
>>The only thing that will reduce s
Please post at least one them coming from a real company based in EU. I'm
really interested.
Very little spam comes from legitimate companies. Spam typically comes
from shady people who operate without regard to the law. If the spam comes
from a legitimate company, they almost certainly either
The only thing that will reduce spam is solid laws in US.
How will a "Federal" law passed in Washington DC (let alone a law passed by
a State, City, etc...) affect how a spammer operating in Costa Rica, China
or Korea goes about his "business"?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pierre Mengal
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 10:33 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Spam Challenge
> > I already replied to those arguments in my past emails.
>
> No you have not.
&
n of every mail, because often just browsing this column tells you
if and where a valid mail can be.
>-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
>Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von
>Pierre Mengal
>Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. April 2004 17:24
>An: [EMAIL PROTECTED
Have you ever calculated the time you spend to check a spam quarantine ? It
is the same time you have to select and delete email from your inbox folder.
FWIW, we here must view every single E-mail that arrives. However, when
there are 200 spams that come in overnight, it only takes me about 30
Send me one from France please (paste it here with the full header please)
> Then France and Germany must not be in the EU has I get a
> ton-o-crap from these countries.
>
> This tread is hopeless, plonk filter has been set ;) Chris
>
>
>
> >No it's real. Since that law, spam coming from EU
Please post at least one them coming from a real company based in EU. I'm
really interested.
> Really? Funny... I still get plenty of spam in my spam
> folder from EU addresses.
>
> At 10:32 AM 4/13/2004, you wrote:
> > > > I already replied to those arguments in my past emails.
> > >
> > > No
sendet: Dienstag, 13. April 2004 16:57
>An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Betreff: RE: [IMail Forum] Spam Challenge
>
>Pierre,
>
>I think our user base is about the same as yours. We too were
>overrun with
>spam until we implemented IMail's Antivirus settings. At the
>beginning
Posting such mail do not make you a great guy.
Do I need to forward you all messages I had from friendly users that replied
to my questions ?
Please be more professionnal in the future.
Pierre
> My Fellow IMail admins.. Pierre's mind is set. There is no hope...
>
> Just let him be and hopefu
Then France and Germany must not be in the EU has I get a ton-o-crap from
these countries.
This tread is hopeless, plonk filter has been set ;)
Chris
No it's real. Since that law, spam coming from EU countries have almost
completely stopped.
Of course I'm in Belgium, I can't say it is the same
Really? Funny... I still get plenty of spam in my spam folder from EU
addresses.
At 10:32 AM 4/13/2004, you wrote:
> > I already replied to those arguments in my past emails.
>
> No you have not.
>
> > The only thing that will reduce spam is solid laws in US.
>
> And you are living in a fantasy
I'm interested. Will you be ready to share with me your settings ?
Here are our settings:
DNS Black Lists Tab
bl.spamcop.net
list.dsbl.org
dnsbl.ahbl.org
dnsbl.njabl.org
sbl-xbl-spamhaus.org
opm.blitzed.org
relays.ordb.org
multihop.dsbl.org
Verify MAIL FROM address
Delete afte
My Fellow IMail admins.. Pierre's mind is set. There is no hope...
Just let him be and hopefully he will go away.
Chris
At 05:12 PM 04/13/2004 +0200, you wrote:
I already replied to those arguments in my past emails.
The only thing that will reduce spam is solid laws in US.
Or another soluti
> > I already replied to those arguments in my past emails.
>
> No you have not.
>
> > The only thing that will reduce spam is solid laws in US.
>
> And you are living in a fantasy land. Depending on
> politicians to solve a problem is seeking a disaster.
No it's real. Since that law, spam com
> I already replied to those arguments in my past emails.
No you have not.
> The only thing that will reduce spam is solid laws in US.
And you are living in a fantasy land. Depending on politicians to solve a
problem is seeking a disaster.
> Sometimes I ask myself how those spammers know all my
> >Have you ever lost an important customer email in your spam
> filter ? I
> >did.
> >And it's like all bad experience, you will never want that
> experience
> >again.
>
> You might want to set up an extra mailbox that contains all
> spam. Check it daily for false positives. We are forwardin
Like my daddy used to say... wish in one hand and dudu in the hand and see
which one gets filled first.
They're right, unfortunately, fighting spam is an ongoing job. I used to
think like you but finally saw the light.
I now spend much too much time keeping up with the spammers and their
tri
>Have you ever lost an important customer email in your spam
>filter ? I did.
>And it's like all bad experience, you will never want that
>experience again.
You might want to set up an extra mailbox that contains all spam. Check
it daily for false positives. We are forwarding all spam messages t
It sounds to me like you never set up your filters properly. There
should be no reason that you "Lose" an e-mail due to filters. If you
are deleting e-mail based on a single test(s), then no system in the
world will protect you from yourself. I'm not being hard on you, it's
true.
Absolutely! I
.
>-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
>Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Dave Riddle
>Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. April 2004 16:57
>An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Betreff: RE: [IMail Forum] Spam Challenge
>
>Pierre,
>
>I think our user base is about the same as
I already replied to those arguments in my past emails.
The only thing that will reduce spam is solid laws in US.
Or another solution is to make everybody in the world have a big *censored*
and with heavy *censored* performances...
Sometimes I ask myself how those spammers know all my problems ;
> Pierre,
>
> I think our user base is about the same as yours. We too
> were overrun with spam until we implemented IMail's Antivirus
> settings. At the beginning we had them set to strict and go
> to many false positives. If you saw my email the other day
> you would see that we are VER
> Have you ever lost an important customer email in your spam filter ? I
did.
> And it's like all bad experience, you will never want that experience
again.
>
> The Imail built in spam filter is a nightmarre. Client-Side filter work,
but
> we can't impose all our customers.
I do not use the Imail
Pierre,
I think our user base is about the same as yours. We too were overrun with
spam until we implemented IMail's Antivirus settings. At the beginning we
had them set to strict and go to many false positives. If you saw my
email the other day you would see that we are VERY HAPPY with our
> >>
> >>Have you ever lost an important customer email in your spam
> filter ? I
> did. And it's like all bad experience, you will never want
> that experience again.
> >>
> >>The Imail built in spam filter is a nightmarre. Client-Side filter
> work, but we can't impose all our customers.
>
>
Why not run ASSP (free) add an X Header to each peice of mail. then set a global rule
that if the msg has Spam Yes as an X Header dump it into a spam folder, and set a max
size on it.
That way, if there is a false positive then the user can log into web mail/IMAP4 and
retrieve the message.
>>
>>Have you ever lost an important customer email in your spam filter ? I
did. And it's like all bad experience, you will never want that
experience again.
>>
>>The Imail built in spam filter is a nightmarre. Client-Side filter
work, but we can't impose all our customers.
It sounds to me like y
> > I completely understand what you say. But please understand
> I already
> > considered those "issues" and that my decision to use a such system
> > was thinked before. The antispam feature of Imail is
> unsecure, and my
> customers
> > urge me to provide them a spam challenge system. I will
We too offer a gateway service that has a slightly better accuracy rate
than Brightmail, and, of course is a less expensive option.
IMGate is an in-house gateway service that is the least expensive option
Len
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> I completely understand what you say. But please understand I already
> considered those "issues" and that my decision to use a such system was
> thinked before. The antispam feature of Imail is unsecure, and my
customers
> urge me to provide them a spam challenge system. I will use myself that
>
http://www.clickdoug.com==
- Original Message -
From:
Michael E. Trendel
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 7:55
AM
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Spam
Challenge
We
are using a product called Brightmail
> The antispam feature of
> Imail is unsecure, and my customers urge me to provide them a
> spam challenge system.
I don't know the Antispam features offered by Imail v8+ but maybe give a
30day free try to Declude available under www.declude.com
It's like a swiss army knife.
Markus
To Uns
t: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 6:26 AMTo:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [IMail Forum] Spam
Challenge
Hello,
We are really
infested by spam, and this is becoming a serious
problem.
We can't spend so many time to sort real spam and
and customer emails. So sometimes, a customer em
> > We will probably move from Imail to Merak then. I don't
> think IpSwitch
> > will forget that market I'm a part of.
>
> Pierre,
>
> I have to strongly agree with Scott!
> If you want to integrate a C/R system several people will
> consider this as spam. (exactly the opposite you want in yo
> We will probably move from Imail to Merak then. I don't think
> IpSwitch will forget that market I'm a part of.
Pierre,
I have to strongly agree with Scott!
If you want to integrate a C/R system several people will consider this as
spam. (exactly the opposite you want in your inbox!)
Some of
> > > If not is it planned ?
> >
> > I highly doubt it.
>
> We will probably move from Imail to Merak then. I don't think
> IpSwitch will forget that market I'm a part of.
>
Merak is a very comprehensive product - but beware of stabiity issues. We
changed to Imail from Merak. I'm not complete
> OK, but *PLEASE* do not become a spammer.
Of course no.
> > If not is it planned ?
>
> I highly doubt it.
We will probably move from Imail to Merak then. I don't think IpSwitch will
forget that market I'm a part of.
> > If no, what are the third party solutions ?
>
> I don't have a list
> [1] You end up being a spammer (the majority of spam sent to
> you will result in confirmation requests being sent to
> innocent victims) [2] Spammers now send pretend confirmation
> requests, presumably to make people less likely to respond to
> C/R requests [3] Many people respond to C/R reque
'origine-
> De : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de R.
> Scott Perry
> Envoyé : mardi 13 avril 2004 13:05
> À : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet : Re: [IMail Forum] Spam Challenge
>
>
> >We tested the challenge system of some customers, an
We tested the challenge system of some customers, and this is the solution
we need. However, we don't know how to enable that in Imail 8.1. Is it
possible ? If not is it planned ? If yes when ? If no, what are the third
party solutions ?
No, fortunately IMail v8's anti-spam does not include thi
Hello,
We are really
infested by spam, and this is becoming a serious
problem.
We can't
spend so many time to sort real spam and and customer emails. So sometimes, a
customer email is put into quarantine, which is a disaster.
We tested the
challenge system of some customers, and this is
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