Re: Silly unedit behavior w.r.t. timestamp.

2002-10-13 Thread Noel Yap
--- Kaz Kylheku <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've noticed that if you execute a cvs unedit, and > choose to revert > the changes, it reverts the timestamp as well! The > behavior should > be like the new -C option of update. IMHO, "cvs unedit" should not be reverting the file at all since: 1. The

Re: Problems with Attic permissions

2002-10-14 Thread Noel Yap
--- Anne McCaffrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I am facing problems with Attic directories. > I have a script that disallows users from removing > files using cvs remove. > To implement additional security, I have made all > Attic directories in the repository read only, since > all

Re: Problems with Attic permissions

2002-10-14 Thread Noel Yap
--- Anne McCaffrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No,the files are not added to branch. > The 'Branch' is MAIN and the CVS tags shows HEAD. I don't know why "cvs add" would be doing this, then. Also, how do you prevent users from going into the repository and removing an archive file that's /not/

Re: Problems with Attic permissions

2002-10-14 Thread Noel Yap
--- Anne McCaffrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have not invited any 'thoughts' or 'opinions' on > how > I am using cvs.If you can't answer my question, pls > don't reply;we can go on arguing about the pros and > cons of someone's practices.I don't see any point in > it. If you want to be so de

Re: CVS vs ClearCase, was RE: cvs -n update vs cvs diff

2002-10-23 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Johnson, Susan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm used to ClearCase, where a person worked within > a > dynamic view and you could build, label (tag), > branch, > merge and do everything within the same workspace. > > How does CVS differ from that model? This is pretty much how I use CVS. On

Re: Have CVS perform actions on all files before checking in?

2002-10-23 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Schoep, Grant @ STORM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is it possible to have CVS perform some type of > action on types of files > before checking it in? I'd like to configure our > server for all java and C++ > code to do some nicetys, like strip out ^M's and > replace bloody tabs with > spaces

RE: AW: Multiple cvs users in one checkout area

2002-10-22 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Zieg, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't deny that it is worth challenging the > requirements, if it seems a > battle which can be won -- but there are also cases > where developers must > cede defeat, and simply come up with a "best fit" > solution that meets the > customer's request.

RE: AW: Multiple cvs users in one checkout area

2002-10-22 Thread Noel Yap
--- Brandon Brinkley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've worked on an Oracle Financials customization > project that sounds very > similar. No single developer owned the database, > but there were also two > additional databases for integration testing and > QA/UAT. The private > project approach w

RE: cvs -n update vs cvs diff

2002-10-22 Thread Noel Yap
--- Kris Thielemans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > By default, diff compares against the version you > checked out. If you > > want to compare against the top of the tree, you > have to specify -r > > HEAD. > > > > Hi, > this has given me some problems before. I think it > would be helpful for a

Re: How to set CVS be the reserved checkout mode only?

2002-10-24 Thread Noel Yap
--- "LIU,SHI-ZHOU (HP-China,ex2)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > CVS server version:1.11.2 on HP-UX 11i > CVS client: Win CVS 1.3.8.1 on Win2K I'd upgrade the client to be able to take advantage of some newer commands (eg "cvs edit"). > How to set CVS be the reserved checkout mode only? > I mean t

Re: Set lock to strict

2002-10-24 Thread Noel Yap
--- Alejandro_Gómez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ppl, I need to set strict locking on my > repository... Why? Are you able to use the advisory locks patch available at SourceForge under project RCVS? Noel __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the

Re: Multiple cvs users in one checkout area - solved!

2002-10-25 Thread Noel Yap
--- Andreas Otte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you all for your input on the topic of shared > resources. Made me think about it, but unfortunally > it is something I can not change in this database > project. However, cvs can be made to ignore the > content of the Root-Files with an entry in

RE: Can I check out a file without specifying the module it's in?

2002-10-31 Thread Noel Yap
I've been waiting for someone to point out that files in the repo have a ,v suffix, but since noone has, I'll do it ;-) The command would be: find $CVSROOT -name foo.c,v Anyway, that's beside the point. Directly accessing the repo is bad etiquette :-) I'm wondering if "cvs -n co" would act like

Re: Can I check out a file without specifying the module it's in?

2002-10-31 Thread Noel Yap
--- Larry Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Noel Yap writes: > > > > Oh well, there goes that idea. Does anyone know > if > > there's any reason why this shouldn't give the > same > > output as "cvs co"? > > The pragmatic reason

Re: Newbie Problem: About repositiory

2002-11-04 Thread Noel Yap
There're several things (with varying pro's and con's) you can do: 1. move back the repo until you've checked in everything you need (and don't checkout another working directory until it's moved back) 2. create a symlink (or mount the new repo) to the location of the old repo 3. modify all your CV

Re: restricted shell for cvs/ssh access only

2002-11-04 Thread Noel Yap
--- Neil Dombrowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have to allow some clients access to our company's > cvs repository via > ssh, but I don't want to give them a prompt, only > access to cvs > commands. How might I accomplish this? The subject of your email implies you have an inkling. There's a

Re: Newbie Problem: About repositiory

2002-11-05 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Riechers, Matthew W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > A. checkout new working dir using new repository > location > > B. transfer content of old working copy to new > working copy > > C. delete and cvs remove files from new working > copy if necessary > >

Re: Reserverd Checkouts

2002-11-14 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Kaj E. Ozolins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > we swiched from VSS to CVS (mixed CVS and WinCVS) > recently. Though all > developers love to use CVS rather than VSS some are > missing the ability > to make particular reserved checkouts. (Okay... I > know about the > philosophical dimension this

Re: security question

2002-12-12 Thread Noel Yap
--- Phil R Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK, I've settled on either importing our entire ERP > source with -kb or > writing a script to traverse the sourcetree and > check in the files > intelligently as either binary or text. (anyone > already have a script > that does this?) > > Now,

Re: Security, audits and pserver

2002-12-12 Thread Noel Yap
--- "CHARLES HART, BLOOMBERG/ 499 PARK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > um, I'm a newbie at CVS, so I've read more of the > documentation than anything > else, but the answers I've seen so far for the > security question seem to have > missed one vital point. People have write access to > spots in th

Re: security question

2002-12-13 Thread Noel Yap
One other problem with pserver is that passwords are stored "in the clear" on the users' home directories. At least with SSH, the keys can be encrypted using a password that the user enters either upon login or on a per-use basis. Noel --- Steven Tryon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We run pserver

Re: Security, audits and pserver

2002-12-13 Thread Noel Yap
--- Paul Sander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A chroot environment is only good at containing > what's inside it. It > does not prevent access to the chroot environment > from outside. I see. I guess it's obvious that the repository would have to be within the chroot'ed environment meaning that s

RE: security question

2002-12-13 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Zieg, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > One other problem with pserver is that passwords > are > > stored "in the clear" on the users' home > directories. > > > > At least with SSH, the keys can be encrypted using > a > > password that the user enters either upon login or > on > > a per-us

RE: security question

2002-12-16 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Zieg, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Password-protected keys help protect them against > > theft. I would encourage everyone to use such > keys. > > Or did I misunderstand your post? > > Are you talking about ssh-agent, or passphrase-based > ssh keys, or an > external layer of encrypt

Re: ACLs and CVS

2002-12-17 Thread Noel Yap
--- Eric Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Noel, > > While surfing the web for information about a > project I am working on, I came > across a message list that included a conversation > back in May 2002 which sort > of corresponds to what I am trying to do. I know you > also mentioned a scr

Re: Security setup

2002-12-17 Thread Noel Yap
--- Mike Ayers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Here's a bit of a challenge for the list. We need > to set up a CVS > repository on a Linux server such that the users > can't modify the > files, except through proper CVS operations. The > catch? They are > currently permitted to log into

Re: advisory locks (Was: FW: CVS patch)

2003-01-08 Thread Noel Yap
--- Mariappan Muthiah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Noel > > > > I have CVS server running on Redhat Linux 7.3. I > got this patch enh-multiple_edits+reservations.diff > for reserved checkouts. Can you explain me how to > apply this patch into CVS? If you're on Unix, just apply patch (man

Re: Read and write permissions

2001-11-27 Thread Noel Yap
Set LockDir in CVSROOT/config. Noel --- Janning Vygen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi, > > i am quite new to cvs and my question might be based > on a > misunderstandig of important concepts. > > i have a repository in /home/cvsroot > serveral projects are imported like > /home/cvsroot/project

Re: Read and write permissions

2001-11-27 Thread Noel Yap
set LockDir in CVSROOT/config --- Janning Vygen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi, > > i am quite new to cvs and my question might be based > on a > misunderstandig of important concepts. > > i have a repository in /home/cvsroot > serveral projects are imported like > /home/cvsroot/project1 > >

Re: Forcing locks on files when checked out..

2001-12-05 Thread Noel Yap
I think the easiest way to do this (although I may be biased) is to install one or some of the patches available at SourceForge under project RCVS. The patches I'm thinking of will add checking to edit and commit. Developers will need to modify their .cvsrc files to default to the right command

RE: Forcing locks on files when checked out..

2001-12-05 Thread Noel Yap
ours truly if > they're gonna be done at > all.. (I need a rather authorative/authoritarian > setup for just about > everything here). > > In a week or so, they'll be happy having a CVS.. ;) > > Thx so far! > > Ronald > > > -Original Message-

Re: Forcing locks on files when checked out..

2001-12-06 Thread Noel Yap
He could patch the client so that it passes the "right" options (eg "cvs edit -c" and "cvs ci -c") in by default. Noel --- Martin Ellison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm hoping to find a server-side only config, > because the induhvidual > > settings would have to be done by yours truly if > t

Re: CVS editors and watchers

2001-12-11 Thread Noel Yap
I think a better "repository commands" interface needs to be designed (ie the "r" prefix is lacking). Anyway, in the meantime, what we do to do what you ask is to keep a central checked out copy for use by the cron'ed editors command that's part of our development web page. Hope this helps, Noel

Re: Best way to plug the CVS Security hole?

2001-12-13 Thread Noel Yap
Use SSH instead of pserver. Noel --- Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What's the best way to disable the update.prog and > checkin.prog functionality? > Currently I have commented out 2 REQ lines in the > source that seem to call > this functionality. Is this the best way to do this? > > We

Re: could cvs make auto delete/add file judging from my revision ?

2001-12-13 Thread Noel Yap
Can't you just "cvs add " to add everything recursively? As for deletion, I'm sure you can work with the output of "cvs -n up" to get a list of files that've been removed from your working area (but what happens if some of these files were actually added by someone else?) Noel --- David D <[EMAI

Re: Alternative for binary files

2001-12-20 Thread Noel Yap
--- Paul Sander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >My company is currently using CVS to manage some > third-party vendor > >really big, big tree with really many, many very > big, big files. > > >The result, obviously, is totally unacceptable. > Even o

Re: common vs confidential development parts

2001-12-24 Thread Noel Yap
It sounds like you need to reorganize your code. A, B, and C shouldn't exist within a common module, src. Instead, they should exist within separate modules (you may be able to use module aliases, but I think they cause more confusion than they alleviate). Hope this helps, Noel --- Xavier Mari

Re: Not allowing a user to commit in repository

2001-12-24 Thread Noel Yap
Use file system permissioning and LockDir in CVSROOT/config. Noel --- Hafeez Mohammad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a way for not allowing a user to commit in > the repository. > > cvs watch just watches the files but does not have a > cpability to Stop the user from commiting the > ch

Re: Connection refused to CVS repository (and ACLs).

2002-01-09 Thread Noel Yap
I think there may be atomicity problems when mounting a CVS repository via NFS. I'm assuming you're asking about POSIX file system ACLs. It's perfectly fine to use ACLs within the CVS repo, in fact I promote them since it makes things much simpler. However, be sure you understand exactly how pe

Re: Connection refused to CVS repository (and ACLs).

2002-01-10 Thread Noel Yap
--- Axelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > I think there may be atomicity problems when >> mounting >> > a CVS repository via NFS. >> >> Well, there might be individual synchronization >> problems, but mainly, >> I do not have any problem using it myself. Such problems would occur rarely in prac

Re: cost of CVS...

2002-01-13 Thread Noel Yap
It's a piece of cake to install CVS server on Unix. I haven't had experience doing so on NT (you'll probably need the Cygwin port). In addition to getting past initial problems, a consultant would also get you up and running with the CVS way of doing things (in my experience, each version contro

Re: cost of CVS...

2002-01-14 Thread Noel Yap
--- Pierre Asselin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "vincent_choplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >would we have to stop working while we put CVS up > or can one of us do > >it while the others go on with the developpement? > > Nah, don't stop. When CVS is ready, import what you > have and save >

Re: rcvs patches

2002-01-17 Thread Noel Yap
The latest patch on RCVS should have this working (I haven't tested it myself, yet). What exactly are you looking for? Noel --- "MW Mike Weiner (5028)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear list readers - > > I noticed some interesting patches for cvs for > increased functionality for > inclusion

Re: How to disable import command for some user ?

2002-01-18 Thread Noel Yap
The only way I can think of doing this is: 1. Create a cvs-server wrapper that checks permissions to import. 2. Use SSH to allow execution of that wrapper only upon login. 3. Create separate logins to be used for this purpose. 4. Don't allow execution of the original cvs-server through any other m

RE: rcvs patches

2002-01-18 Thread Noel Yap
rfect. If not, why not? Noel --- "MW Mike Weiner (5028)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am working with locking and the ability to use cvs > edit -c to lock > files > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On B

RE: rcvs patches

2002-01-22 Thread Noel Yap
mechanism that was inherent in MS Visual Source > Safe, so we can have > multiple developers editing the same file in > separate (or even the same) > sandboxes. The next step is which patches do i need > from the rcvs project to > use with the current cvs-1.11 install?? > > Than

Re: Default Watching Bug ?

2002-01-29 Thread Noel Yap
I had thought that "cvs watch on dir" was working at one point. Anyway, I think "cvs watch on dir" should work as doc'ed since this would make it work like all the other commands (ie recursively). Noel --- Larry Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Colm Murphy writes: > > > > The manual says that

Re: security concept - set permissions for each directory - how to?

2002-01-29 Thread Noel Yap
Why does it need to work for both pserver /and/ SSH? Having SSH working should circumvent almost any need for pserver. Noel --- Wolfgang Kormann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hello, > how can I build a security concept for CVS on SuSe > Linux... >- I'd like define groups >- and it should

Re: Default Watching Bug ?

2002-01-29 Thread Noel Yap
--- Larry Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Noel Yap writes: > > > > Anyway, I think "cvs watch on dir" should work as > > doc'ed since this would make it work like all the > > other commands (ie recursively). > > It does work recursively,

Re: reserved checkout

2002-01-31 Thread Noel Yap
You tried forcing serial development into a tool meant for concurrent development :-) Seriously, though, I (and I think most others) see that there is absolutely no reason to _prevent_ concurrent development although I think it should sometimes be /avoided/. The way to avoid it is through commun

Re: cvs security

2002-01-31 Thread Noel Yap
If you want security (as the subject of your email suggests), use SSH instead of pserver. pserver has many insecurities. Noel --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello, > > I'm using cvs with mandrake 8.1 > I wonder if pserver is the best way to proceed, but > it seems to be easier > to implement.

Re: Creating Per-User repositories

2002-01-31 Thread Noel Yap
Greg has responded with most of what I wanted to say. I do have something to add, though. If your intent is to have students be able to grant access to other students, SSH is sufficient and is way more secure than any other method out there. However, if you want students to be able to grant acc

Re: Restricting checkout of CVSROOT directory

2002-01-31 Thread Noel Yap
If you're using SSH or rsh: 1. set LockDir in CVSROOT/config 2. manage the CVSROOT permissions using file system ACLs (hopefully you'll have these) Noel --- anamika mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Friends, > Is it possible to restrict checking > out of CVSROOT directory t

Re: Creating Per-User repositories

2002-02-01 Thread Noel Yap
- "Greg A. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [ On Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 12:47:22 (-0800), > Noel Yap wrote: ] > > Subject: Re: Creating Per-User repositories > > > > I do have something to add, though. If your > intent is > > to have students b

RE: Bad files perms

2002-02-01 Thread Noel Yap
Initially: find $CVSROOT -type d | xargs chmod g+s I forget whether SGID is inherited by new subdirectories. If not, have a loginfo script set it. Noel --- GOMEZ Henri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The problem is that each time a cvs user like bob > commit > >> a file or directory, like test

Re: reserved checkout

2002-02-01 Thread Noel Yap
Have you tried the patches available at SourceForge/RCVS? If so, your development process should include the following: 1. Developers put "edit -c" in ~/.cvsrc. 2. Developers "cvs edit" file(s). 3. If the edit aborts (due to other editors), developer communicates with others. 4. Developers procee

RE: Bad files perms

2002-02-01 Thread Noel Yap
Initially, directories within the repo don't have SGID set. You'll have to do this manually. Noel --- GOMEZ Henri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Initially: > >find $CVSROOT -type d | xargs chmod g+s > > > >I forget whether SGID is inherited by new > >subdirectories. If not, have a loginfo script

RE: Bad files perms

2002-02-01 Thread Noel Yap
No, there's no reason to reset SGID on all the repository directories. You would only need to set it for the newly created subdirectory with something like: chmod g+s new-subdir Read more about loginfo scripts to see how you can write such a script. Noel --- GOMEZ Henri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot

Re: Creating Per-User repositories

2002-02-01 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Greg A. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think you're dreaming about problems which should > not exist. I > believe it was implied in the original post that all > authorised students > would implicitly be given permission to access the > CVS server. If one > uses SSH this this means th

Re: cvs edit and branches

2002-02-01 Thread Noel Yap
None that I know of. In fact, I had thought about creating such a patch, but rethought it as removing some controls from concurrent development along branches (although, granted, you don't get full control over such development with the current edit feature). Noel --- Stuart Donaldson <[EMAIL PR

RE: reserved checkout

2002-02-01 Thread Noel Yap
Your abject ignorance is pardoned :-) uuencoding and uudecoding won't help anything since CVS diffs and merges on a line-by-line basis. Doing this with a uuencoded file will likely give you garbage. IOW, the diff/merge problem has nothing to do with a file's textness. Noel --- "EXT-Corcoran, D

Re: users and right on CVSROOT

2002-02-05 Thread Noel Yap
Any user that needs read access to the repository will need to be able to create a lock file. This means that read-only users need write permissions on the directory where that lock file is created. However, if write permissions were granted to the repository, users would also gain checkin prive

Re: reserved checkout

2002-02-08 Thread Noel Yap
Yes, if they don't use "cvs edit -c", they'll still be able to do concurrent development. Usually, I'll have "edit -c" in my ~/.cvsrc file then use "cvs edit -f" if I need to do concurrent development. I feel it gives me more control (or at least more info) that way. Please let me know how it g

Re: Changing CVS 'Lock' and 'Edit' command behavior

2002-02-15 Thread Noel Yap
Not that I know of. In fact, every now and then, there's talk of removing "cvs admin". Why would you ever want to do such a thing? Noel --- X X <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > I want to change the behavior of CVS when locking > and editing files. I want > the lock to lock the file and

Re: Changing CVS 'Lock' and 'Edit' command behavior

2002-02-15 Thread Noel Yap
e. It does seem crazy if you are used to > working with CVS, but for my > team it makes sense. > > Thanks. > > >From: Noel Yap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: X X <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: Changing CVS 'Lock' and 'Ed

Re: multiple cvs clients operating on same working directory

2002-02-19 Thread Noel Yap
Concurrent access to the working directory is no safer than concurrent access to a file. The clients will not synch. Noel --- Stephan Feder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry, perhaps I did not state my question correctly > so maybe the > following example clarifies what I want to know: > > Sup

RE: Converting ClearCase to CVS

2002-02-20 Thread Noel Yap
--- Paul Sander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The economically rational thing to do is to push the > detection of bugs > earlier into the process (where they're cheaper to > fix), provide > support that's good enough to yield repeat business, > and have the support > center feed back efficiently in

RE: Converting ClearCase to CVS

2002-02-20 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Greg A. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Without knowing details of either sitution I think > you have vastly > mis-interpreted the meaning of the word "simple". > Something that seemed > "simple" to you obviously turned out to be > exceedingly complex for CVS. > You either chose the wron

Re: Converting ClearCase to CVS

2002-02-20 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Greg A. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [ On Tuesday, February 19, 2002 at 18:04:06 (-0500), > Eric Siegerman wrote: ] > > Geez, that's just what Paul's been saying all > along! It's > > everyone else that's been treating his defence of > ClearCase as > > rank heresy. > > Yeah, so why d

Re: Converting ClearCase to CVS

2002-02-20 Thread Noel Yap
--- Eric Siegerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Geez, that's just what Paul's been saying all along! > It's > everyone else that's been treating his defence of > ClearCase as > rank heresy. I agree. I wonder how many of these heresy-sayers have actually actively used ClearCase. Noel _

RE: Converting ClearCase to CVS

2002-02-20 Thread Noel Yap
--- Paul Sander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Even on my personal system where my toy projects > make very few demands on > CVS (no branching other than vendor branches, no > concurrent development, > no binary files, no reorganizations, no use of *info > files, small source > files, few source fil

Re: Converting ClearCase to CVS

2002-02-20 Thread Noel Yap
--- Paul Sander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We were using CVS in the way that it was designed, > but the robustness > of the implementation gave us more grief than I care > to remember. My > argument has become somewhat weaker now because CVS' > quality of > implementation has improved substanti

Re: Permissions of repository

2002-02-20 Thread Noel Yap
--- Santosh Cheler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "anamika mathur" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Dear Friends, > > > > Is it possible to have read/write > access > > to specific files and directories in the > repository > > using CVS for various us

Re: refactoring when using CVS

2002-02-20 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Greg A. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [ On Wednesday, February 20, 2002 at 07:45:24 > (-0800), Noel Yap wrote: ] > > Subject: Re: Converting ClearCase to CVS > > > > One of the most current arenas where CVS is not an > > ideal tool is

Re: refactoring when using CVS

2002-02-20 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Mark A. Flacy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In Java, a refactoring into a different package > practically forces a move > into another directory. That's a real PITA with > CVS; while that may be my > problem rather than CVS's, it would entice me to > find a tool that makes it > less of a pro

Re: refactoring when using CVS

2002-02-21 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Greg A. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [ On Wednesday, February 20, 2002 at 13:19:22 > (-0800), Noel Yap wrote: ] > > Subject: Re: refactoring when using CVS > > > > The difference is that as a language, C doesn't > demand > >

RE: refactoring when using CVS

2002-02-21 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Thornley, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Noel Yap [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > There you have it, yet another space where CVS > isn't > > ideal: XP. > > > No, XP in Java. The original XP people used > Smalltalk, > a dy

Re: Locks

2002-02-21 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Greg A. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [ On Thursday, February 21, 2002 at 19:15:45 > (+0530), Jasmeet Singh Virdi wrote: ] > > ne pointer on how to impliment LOCKS in CVS for > NT server on a win2K > > box, with only windows clients. > > First of all you probably cannot do what yo

Re: refactoring when using CVS

2002-02-21 Thread Noel Yap
--- Paul Sander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >--- Forwarded mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >If you have all of your source in one big pile, you > can do a "javac *.java" > >and things should sort themselves out. > > Unfortunately, if this is what your build procedure > consists of, then > you lose

Re: refactoring when using CVS

2002-02-21 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Greg A. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So Java is worse than C. We knew that already. It > takes more man-hours > to write, results in more lines of code, runs on > fewer platforms, > generally runs a lot slower, sometimes even slower > than the equivalent > perl code, isn't as secure

RE: refactoring when using CVS

2002-02-21 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Thornley, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Noel Yap [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > AFAIK, XP promotes "Refactor early, refactor > often." > > If so, and given Greg's premise that > refactorisation > > should be ra

RE: refactoring when using CVS

2002-02-21 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Thornley, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Noel Yap [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Other than theoretical attacks found by > acadamecians > > (that I think were later fixed) and possibly holes > > within Visual J++, I haven't h

RE: refactoring when using CVS

2002-02-21 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Greg A. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [ On Thursday, February 21, 2002 at 12:59:06 > (-0800), Noel Yap wrote: ] > > AFAIK, XP promotes "Refactor early, refactor > often." > > If so, and given Greg's premise that > refactoris

RE: refactoring when using CVS

2002-02-22 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Greg A. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [ On Thursday, February 21, 2002 at 16:13:57 > (-0600), Thornley, David wrote: ] > > Subject: RE: refactoring when using CVS > > > > So, just remember that it will often be futile to > ask > > for credible sites showing insecurities, unless > you ar

RE: refactoring when using CVS

2002-02-22 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Greg A. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > CVS is not and has never been very useful for > initial development under > any methodology that doesn't involve sharing of the > code under > development (and sharing in a non-XP manner!). I disagree. > Sure > there are pedants > amongst the CVS

Re: refactoring when using CVS

2002-02-22 Thread Noel Yap
--- Kaz Kylheku <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's terrible! What if the resulting command line > violates the > systems's environment passing limit? Of course, you > want: > > find . -name '*.java' -print | xargs javac > > hopefully, none of the names contain spaces and > newlines, but

Re: refactoring when using CVS

2002-02-22 Thread Noel Yap
--- Tom Plunket <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Then again, I'm not renaming files like crazy- > there's no reason > to as far as I can tell. The classes (C++ > development) don't > need to change name, most of my "refactoring" work > ends up > splitting out functionality and creating new files. >

Re: refactoring when using CVS

2002-02-22 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Greg A. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Of course Aegis is even better with XP than CVS > because of the two-phase > commit which helps with the "Only one pair > integrates code at a time" > rule; and also with the ability to enforce and run > test modules for > every commit (which obviou

Re: refactoring when using CVS

2002-02-22 Thread Noel Yap
--- Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - if someone is working on file A on branch 1 and > someone else refactors file A > on branch 2, what good is a merge, using CC or CVS? > Wouldn't the person doing > the merge have to collect/identify the changes on > branch 1 and then figure out > where they

Re: refactoring when using CVS

2002-02-22 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Greg A. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where it becomes bad is when it adversely impacts > other members of a > multi-person project. CVS provides ways to isolate > such practices > though so that they don't adversely impact the > project (per developer > branches). Since bare-bones CV

Re: refactoring when using CVS

2002-02-22 Thread Noel Yap
--- Kaz Kylheku <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In article > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Noel Yap > wrote: > >--- Kaz Kylheku <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>find . -name '*.java' -print0 | xargs -0 javac > > > >Keep in mind that sinc

Re: renames under CVS

2002-02-22 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Greg A. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, you're full of crap too if you think that's a > necessary feature. If it's not necessary, then it's at least very nice to have. > First off tell me how often you've actually had to > do this operation in > relation to other operations. Quite

Re: filesystem ACLs vs. CVS

2002-02-22 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Greg A. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [ On Friday, February 22, 2002 at 10:28:16 (+0100), > Peter Ring wrote: ] > > Subject: RE: ANN: cvssh - secure ext-to-pserver > bridge > > > > We need to control access on files that cannot > (i.e., CANNOT) be logically > > arranged into disjunct di

Re: CVS Update Behaviour

2002-02-22 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Greg A. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't need to use any such over-burdened fancy > system. I'm extremely > happy with the way things work now in CVS -- there's > more than adequate > support for tracking renames across history, at > least form the point of > view of anyone actual

Re: CVS Update Behaviour

2002-02-22 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Greg A. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [ On , February 22, 2002 at 11:09:21 (-0500), Arcin > Bozkurt - Archie wrote: ] > Of course a merge won't work across renames. Who > cares? How often has > this happened to you? The wording of your question > suggests: NEVER. Well, if I were us

Re: CVS Update Behaviour

2002-02-22 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Greg A. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [ On Friday, February 22, 2002 at 12:05:34 (-0800), > Paul Sander wrote: ] > How often have you had to run two or more commands > to look at the > history of a file across a rename? (which is what I > asked in the first > place) Also, I'm curious

RE: refactoring when using CVS

2002-02-22 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Greg A. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm almost willing to bet that unless things turn > about face quickly > then soon the countries hiding today's "terrorists" > are going to start > looking pretty attractive to freedom lovers (and > fighters) everywhere! And in this respect, capita

RE: refactoring when using CVS

2002-02-22 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Greg A. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > then you are, sadly, disillusioned, and perhaps that > explains why you > don't always grasp how to make effective use of CVS. That's right Greg, start making more false statements. > > SCM by definition is the identification of what > goes > > i

Re: renames under CVS

2002-02-22 Thread Noel Yap
--- Kaz Kylheku <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Before I published Meta-CVS 0.0, I had already > renamed a bunch of > files in its own source code. Do you think Meta-CVS can be made part of CVS proper? Noel __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage

Re: refactoring when using CVS

2002-02-23 Thread Noel Yap
--- "Greg A. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [ On Friday, February 22, 2002 at 08:09:28 (-0800), > Noel Yap wrote: ] > > I would argue that "All code must have unit tests" > is > > as practically unenforcible as "All commits must > ha

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