RE: IPv6 Addr/Prefix clarification

2002-02-13 Thread Michel Py
>> Irina Dayal wrote: > 1) Is it safe to assume that all IPv6 prefixes will be between >> 16 and 64 bits long? > Keith Moore wrote: > no. because nothing requires a site to use the lower 64 bits > as an interface ID - a site is free to subnet that space if > it wishes. I have to disagree with K

I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-3gpp-recommend-00.txt

2002-02-13 Thread Internet-Drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Version 6 Working Group Working Group of the IETF. Title : Recommendations for IPv6 in 3GPP Standards Author(s) : M. Wasserman Filename

sorry about that...

2002-02-13 Thread John Beck
Hi folks, Someone seems to have decided to re-send hundreds of old messages to your lists tonight. Fortunately, I was on duty and noticed a general problem, and one of your list mates (George Mitchell) was diligently paying attention and provided me with helpful details which greatly sped up my

RE: I-D ACTION:draft-savola-ipv6-127-prefixlen-00.txt (fwd)

2002-02-13 Thread Michel Py
kre, >> Michel Py wrote: >> Absolutely. If you dial into your company, there is nothing that I >> know of that says you must get a /64. The allocation of the SLA >> bits is at the discretion of the company's network administrator, >> and allocating a /60 to ... > kre wrote: > A while ago, you we

114 messages!!!???

2002-02-13 Thread ryan elson
I just went into my inbox and had to download 114 ipng messages (and only ipng messages) of various dates... has anybody else noticed this? I mean that is a rediculous amount of messages to go through. I wasn't thrilled. If I were on 56k i really wouldn't be happy having to hang my connection u

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-savola-ipv6-127-prefixlen-00.txt (fwd)

2002-02-13 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:51:23 -0800 From:"Michel Py" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Absolutely. If you dial into your company, there is nothing that I | know of that says you must get a /64. The allocation of the SLA | bits is at the dis

Re: PPP and Global Addresses

2002-02-13 Thread Yamasaki Toshi
"PD (Automatic Prefix Delegation)" is one of the choices. draft-haberman-ipngwg-auto-prefix-01.txt http://search.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-haberman-ipngwg-auto-prefix-01. txt To solve all the configuration issues with DHCPv6 might be another good choice, but I guess PD be a minimum requirem

Re: IPv6 Addr/Prefix clarification

2002-02-13 Thread Keith Moore
> I have to disagree with Keith here. If a site wants to subnet, > they get a /48 and use the 16 SLA bits to subnet, that is what > they have been designed for. depends on what you mean by 'site', I suppose. Even if RFC 3177 is followed, I would not want the network to presume that a /64 net (s

3GPP Address Allocation Changes

2002-02-13 Thread Margaret Wasserman
We recently received notice that the 3GPP has approved a change request to their GPRS architecture specification (23.060) based on the IPv6 WGs recommendations in draft-ietf-ipv6-3gpp-recommend-00.txt. The 3GPP has modified their address allocation mechanism to assign a prefix per primary PDP c

IPv6 w.g. Last Call on "Advanced Sockets API for IPv6"

2002-02-13 Thread Bob Hinden
This is a IPv6 working group last call for comments on advancing the following document as an Informational RFC: Title : Advanced Sockets API for IPv6 Author(s) : R. Stevens, M. Thomas, E. Nordmark, T. Jinmei Filename: draft-ietf-ipngwg-rfc2292bis-

RE: IPv6 Addr/Prefix clarification

2002-02-13 Thread Michel Py
> Irina Dayal wrote: > 1) Is it safe to assume that all IPv6 prefixes will be between 16 and 64 > bits long? The current allocation of IPv6 prefixes seems to require > Aggregatable Global Unicast Addresses, which restricts the prefixes to > this range. It's not safe (even if it might be true tod

IPv6 Addr/Prefix clarification

2002-02-13 Thread Irina Dayal
I am new here so please excuse the trivial questions. I did trawl the archives but could not find a definitive answer. 1) Is it safe to assume that all IPv6 prefixes will be between 16 and 64 bits long? The current allocation of IPv6 prefixes seems to require Aggregatable Global Unicast Addre

Re: IPv6 Addr/Prefix clarification

2002-02-13 Thread Francis Dupont
In your previous mail you wrote: 1) Is it safe to assume that all IPv6 prefixes will be between 16 and 64 bits long? The current allocation of IPv6 prefixes seems to require Aggregatable Global Unicast Addresses, which restricts the prefixes to this range. => if this seems to be sa

Re: IPv6 Addr/Prefix clarification

2002-02-13 Thread Keith Moore
> 1) Is it safe to assume that all IPv6 prefixes will be between 16 and 64 bits > long? no. because nothing requires a site to use the lower 64 bits as an interface ID - a site is free to subnet that space if it wishes. IETF I

Re: IPv6 w.g. Last Call on "Advanced Sockets API for IPv6"

2002-02-13 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:11:40 -0800 (PST), > Tim Hartrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I have never and still don't see the need to disambiguate between destination > options which come before the routing header and those that come after. On > the send side it is easy to order your anci

Re: PPP and Global Addresses

2002-02-13 Thread Ole Troan
> In your previous mail you wrote: > >I have a question about RFC2472 - "IP Version 6 over PPP". The RFC talks >about the negotiation of the Interface-Identifier and specifies the >Interface-Identifier Configuration Option. In this case the upper 64 bits >are just fe80:: > > =

Re: PPP and Global Addresses

2002-02-13 Thread Francis Dupont
In your previous mail you wrote: Since PPP does not support multicast, => I disagree: x% uname -sr FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE x% ifconfig ppp0 ppp0: flags=8010 mtu 1500 ^ Is this what most implementations do? => they implement multicast (all of them, I

Re: PPP and Global Addresses

2002-02-13 Thread Francis Dupont
In your previous mail you wrote: I have a question about RFC2472 - "IP Version 6 over PPP". The RFC talks about the negotiation of the Interface-Identifier and specifies the Interface-Identifier Configuration Option. In this case the upper 64 bits are just fe80:: => yes, IPv6CP p

Re: PPP and Global Addresses

2002-02-13 Thread Lilian Fernandes
Since PPP does not support multicast, this will involve a smart NDP that takes into consideration the type of interface as well i.e. we cannot send a router solicitation to the all-routers address/send a router advertisement to all-nodes and so on. Is this what most implementations do? I would l

Re: PPP and Global Addresses

2002-02-13 Thread Siva Veerepalli
At 03:28 PM 2/13/2002 -0600, Lilian Fernandes wrote: >Hi, > >I have a question about RFC2472 - "IP Version 6 over PPP". The RFC talks >about the negotiation of the Interface-Identifier and specifies the >Interface-Identifier Configuration Option. In this case the upper 64 bits >are just fe80:: >

PPP and Global Addresses

2002-02-13 Thread Lilian Fernandes
Hi, I have a question about RFC2472 - "IP Version 6 over PPP". The RFC talks about the negotiation of the Interface-Identifier and specifies the Interface-Identifier Configuration Option. In this case the upper 64 bits are just fe80:: It does not mention if there is any standard way to configur

Re: IPv6 w.g. Last Call on "Advanced Sockets API for IPv6"

2002-02-13 Thread Vladislav Yasevich
Tim The IPV6_RTHDRDSTOPTS is a send side only option any more (at least thats how the spec reads). For the recieve side, IPV6_DSTOPTS gets you all the destination options. I guess that might be considered another argument for removing this option... On the other hand, ordering of setsockopt()

Re: IPv6 w.g. Last Call on "Advanced Sockets API for IPv6"

2002-02-13 Thread Tim Hartrick
All, > > > > >Please let me make sure about this comment...are you proposing to > > >remove IPV6_RTHDRDSTOPTS and to let the kernel choose a proper > > >position of a destination options header (only with the IPV6_DSTOPTS > > >option)? > > > > > => yes > > > > >If so, h

Re: IPv6 w.g. Last Call on "Advanced Sockets API for IPv6"

2002-02-13 Thread Francis Dupont
In your previous mail you wrote: > I think the philosophical question is deeper. > Knowing the size of IP packets that can be sent without IP fragmentation >... (As a "philosophical" argument) I agree with all the points. But as for the API document, we should (or can) just k

Re: IPv6 w.g. Last Call on "Advanced Sockets API for IPv6"

2002-02-13 Thread Francis Dupont
In your previous mail you wrote: >Please let me make sure about this comment...are you proposing to >remove IPV6_RTHDRDSTOPTS and to let the kernel choose a proper >position of a destination options header (only with the IPV6_DSTOPTS >option)? > => yes >

Re: IPv6 w.g. Last Call on "Advanced Sockets API for IPv6"

2002-02-13 Thread Vladislav Yasevich
JINMEI Tatuya wrote: > > >Please let me make sure about this comment...are you proposing to > >remove IPV6_RTHDRDSTOPTS and to let the kernel choose a proper > >position of a destination options header (only with the IPV6_DSTOPTS > >option)? > > > => yes > > >If so, how can

Re: IPv6 w.g. Last Call on "Advanced Sockets API for IPv6"

2002-02-13 Thread Francis Dupont
In your previous mail you wrote: > > - 11.4: there is a discussion about MTUs and extra headers added by > >the kernel (Mobile IPv6 options). IMHO the MTU is an IP MTU so should > >not take into account the headers. But this makes it less useful > >for the programmer...

Re: IPv6 w.g. Last Call on "Advanced Sockets API for IPv6"

2002-02-13 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:56:52 +0100 (CET), > Erik Nordmark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> > - 11.4: there is a discussion about MTUs and extra headers added by (snip) >> So, I'd propose to clarify that the MTU is an "IP MTU" (in your >> definition above) and can be larger than the actu

Re: IPv6 w.g. Last Call on "Advanced Sockets API for IPv6"

2002-02-13 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:16:10 +0100, > Francis Dupont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> - 2.2.2: ND_RA_FLAG_HA (for Mobile IPv6) is missing >One of the main decisions in recent revisions of this draft is... > => so we have to require the definitions somewhere (a rfc2292ter I-D?)

RE: I-D ACTION:draft-savola-ipv6-127-prefixlen-00.txt (fwd)

2002-02-13 Thread Michel Py
Pekka, Dale, kre, others, I consolidated several postings into one >>> Dan Lanciani wrote: >>> An obvious reason would be that the one who wishes to subnet >>> the /64 is not the same one who should have used a /48, with >>> the former one having little control over the latter one. >> Michel

Re: IPv6 w.g. Last Call on "Advanced Sockets API for IPv6"

2002-02-13 Thread Erik Nordmark
> > - 11.4: there is a discussion about MTUs and extra headers added by > >the kernel (Mobile IPv6 options). IMHO the MTU is an IP MTU so should > >not take into account the headers. But this makes it less useful > >for the programmer... (note: this is just a philosophical question >

RE: I-D ACTION:draft-savola-ipv6-127-prefixlen-00.txt (fwd)

2002-02-13 Thread SESVOLD, DALE
This has been going on for quite and while. And I keep asking myself -- Why not /60 for dialups? Its on a nice nibble and gives a good handfull of subnets for the SOHO. Dale Sesvold Senior Engineer MacAulay-Brown, Inc -Original Message- From: Dan Lanciani [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Se

I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipngwg-rfc2292bis-05.txt

2002-02-13 Thread Internet-Drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Version 6 Working Group Working Group of the IETF. Title : Advanced Sockets API for IPv6 Author(s) : R. Stevens, M. Thomas, E. Nordmark, T. Jinmei

Re: draft-ietf-ipngwg-icmp-v3-02.txt

2002-02-13 Thread Francis Dupont
In your previous mail you wrote: T= 0.5 seems fairly high. Why not .1 or .01 (on today's links). => I agree because T should be in milliseconds (f.1) and is against back-to-back erroneous packets. I propose 20ms (50Hz). So, question for the WG: Is the current text on this topic adequa

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-savola-ipv6-127-prefixlen-00.txt (fwd)

2002-02-13 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:15:40 -0800 From:"Michel Py" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | A dial-up connection gets a /48. Always? Really? Sure, if you're dialing into an ISP, with a whole bunch of /48's to issue (as static assignments, or

Re: draft-ietf-ipngwg-icmp-v3-02.txt

2002-02-13 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:33:07 -0500 From:Thomas Narten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Would it be better to move away completely from fixed time intervals | and just say as a percentage of the link traffic? at least in the case | of route

Re: draft-ietf-ipngwg-icmp-v3-02.txt

2002-02-13 Thread Pekka Savola
On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Thomas Narten wrote: > following questions/comments: > > > Rate limiting: > > > > The limit parameters (e.g., T or F in the above examples) MUST > > be configurable for the node, with a conservative default value > > (e.g., T = 0.5 second, NOT 0 secon

RE: I-D ACTION:draft-savola-ipv6-127-prefixlen-00.txt (fwd)

2002-02-13 Thread Pekka Savola
On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, Michel Py wrote: > > What do others think -- is this something worth noting? > > Overall, I find the text excellent. > > I oppose solutions 2,3 and 4 because they bring extra > complexity to solve a problem that does not exist. The problem > that does not exist is the need t