Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-6man-ug-00.txt]

2013-02-08 Thread Rémi Després
2013-02-07 19:35, Roger Jørgensen rog...@gmail.com : sorry, but we can't all be nice all the time, see more inline, On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:21 PM, Rémi Després despres.r...@laposte.net wrote: snip (b) The benefit comes from the following, i.e. one of the 4rd objectives: - We want to

Re: RFC4291 - ff01::/16

2013-02-08 Thread Ole Troan
Erik, To me the FreeBSD is the obviously correct behavior. They are supposed to be interface-local, hence not arriving from somewhere else. There could be security implications with applications using this to pass packets between them and not expecting that a forged packet could be arriving

Re: RFC4291 - ff01::/16

2013-02-08 Thread Erik Hugne
On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 10:03:51AM +0100, Ole Troan wrote: you don't think the text in RFC4007 is clear enough? It doesn't explicitly say that packets sent to ff01::/16 must be dropped if originated from another host. Only that it is useful only for loopback delivery of multicasts within a

Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-6man-ug-00.txt]

2013-02-08 Thread sthaug
... You just ASSUME something I think we all understand is not possible to guaranty. There will be collision, deal with it. Let me make the point again. It is a fact (not an assumption) that RFC4291-conforming IIDs either have u=0, in which case other bits may have any values, or, if

Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-6man-ug-00.txt]

2013-02-08 Thread Rémi Després
2013-02-08 à 10:51, sth...@nethelp.no : ... You just ASSUME something I think we all understand is not possible to guaranty. There will be collision, deal with it. Let me make the point again. It is a fact (not an assumption) that RFC4291-conforming IIDs either have u=0, in which case

Feedback on draft-generic-6man-tunfrag-07

2013-02-08 Thread Fernando Gont
Hi, Fred, Sorry for the delay in providing comments (as promised). Here they are: Section 2: The current Internet cell size is effectively 1500 bytes, i.e., the minimum MTU configured by the vast majority of links in the Internet. IPv6 constrains this even further by specifying a

draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-03: Summary of changes

2013-02-08 Thread Fernando Gont
Folks, As requested by Ole, here's the summary of changes from version -01 (the one WGLC'ed) to version -03 (the current one): * Incorporated text noting that the algorithm should handle reserved IIDs, and how to handle the case in which such an IID is generated. * Added more details regarding

Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-6man-ug-00.txt]

2013-02-08 Thread Havard Eidnes
However, there is nothing which enforces RFC4291-conforming IIDs for (for instance) statically configured IPv6-addresses. So in what way do well defined u/g values for RFC4291-conforming IIDs help you? 1. Users that manually configure their IPv6 addresses should be knowledgeable about what

FW: New Version Notification for draft-brandt-6man-lowpanz-00.txt

2013-02-08 Thread Anders Brandt
Greetings, A new IPv6 over foo I-D has been posted at http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brandt-6man-lowpanz-00. This I-D specifies an IPv6 encapsulation for ITU-T G.9959 radio networks that I'd describe as an alternative to IEEE 802.15.4 in home and building automation. The I-D provides some

Re: Moving forward draft-ietf-6man-oversized-header chain?

2013-02-08 Thread RJ Atkinson
On Friday 8th Feb 2013, Karl Auer wrote, in part: Do you mean that the ESP header must be the first item in the fragmentable part of the first fragment? Or that the ESP header must be (at least partly) in the non-fragmentable part of the first fragment? I can't lex your question, so please

Re: Moving forward draft-ietf-6man-oversized-header chain?

2013-02-08 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 08/02/2013 13:38, RJ Atkinson wrote: On Friday 8th Feb 2013, Karl Auer wrote, in part: ... In turn, your confusion puzzles me. Me too. TCP is also an encapsulating header; its contents just don't happen to be encrypted. The draft's definition of Entire IPv6 header chain uses TCP as an

Re: Moving forward draft-ietf-6man-oversized-header chain?

2013-02-08 Thread RJ Atkinson
On 08 Feb 2013, at 09:36 , Brian E Carpenter wrote: Me too. TCP is also an encapsulating header; its contents just don't happen to be encrypted. The draft's definition of Entire IPv6 header chain uses TCP as an example: Note: If there is an upper layer header, only the header (and

Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-6man-ug-00.txt]

2013-02-08 Thread Rémi Després
Le 2013-02-08 à 11:59, Havard Eidnes h...@uninett.no a écrit : However, there is nothing which enforces RFC4291-conforming IIDs for (for instance) statically configured IPv6-addresses. So in what way do well defined u/g values for RFC4291-conforming IIDs help you? 1. Users that manually

Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-6man-ug-00.txt]

2013-02-08 Thread Rémi Després
Le 2013-02-08 à 12:08, Roland Bless roland.bl...@kit.edu a écrit : Hi, On 08.02.2013 09:31, Rémi Després wrote: Hosts of an IPv6 customer site can have IPv6 addresses assigned, with SLAAC or DHCPv6, BEFORE 4rd is activated. If these addresses become in conflict with the CE 4rd

IPv6 Address Resolution in Linux 2.6.27

2013-02-08 Thread Mudric, Dusan (Dusan)
Hi, I experience Address Resolution problem while using Linux 2.6.27. A and B use global IPv6 addresses. * 2009::6:173 - 'A' global address (the capture monitors its port) * 2009::6:172 - 'B' global address Both A and B are about 8 seconds in the reachable states (STALE /

RE: Feedback on draft-generic-6man-tunfrag-07

2013-02-08 Thread Templin, Fred L
Hi Fernando, -Original Message- From: ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Fernando Gont Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 2:16 AM To: fltemp...@acm.org Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Feedback on draft-generic-6man-tunfrag-07 Hi, Fred, Sorry for the

Re: Moving forward draft-ietf-6man-oversized-header chain?

2013-02-08 Thread Karl Auer
On Fri, 2013-02-08 at 08:38 -0500, RJ Atkinson wrote: On Friday 8th Feb 2013, Karl Auer wrote, in part: Do you mean that the ESP header must be the first item in the fragmentable part of the first fragment? Or that the ESP header must be (at least partly) in the non-fragmentable part of the

Re: IPv6 Address Resolution in Linux 2.6.27

2013-02-08 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Fri, 8 Feb 2013, Mudric, Dusan (Dusan) wrote: Q: Is this a known problem? If yes, is there a patch for it? I believe this is not the correct list for asking these questions. The linux netdev is probably more suitable place to ask linux specific questions. Then again, I doubt you'll get

Re: Feedback on draft-generic-6man-tunfrag-07

2013-02-08 Thread Fernando Gont
On 02/08/2013 03:16 PM, Templin, Fred L wrote: Unfortunately, link adaptation can present a significant burden to the link endpoints, i.e., especially when the link supports high data rates and/or is located nearer the middle of the network instead of nearer the edge. An

Re: Moving forward draft-ietf-6man-oversized-header chain?

2013-02-08 Thread Fernando Gont
On 02/08/2013 12:17 PM, RJ Atkinson wrote: **How many bytes of the transport header+payload are included in this definition?** For ESP, is it 8 bytes (SPI + Sequence Number)? I think that would be OK. Certainly it MUST NOT be more than those 8 bytes, because beyond there lies encrypted

Re: IPv6 Address Resolution in Linux 2.6.27

2013-02-08 Thread Fernando Gont
Hi, Dusan, On 02/08/2013 03:12 PM, Mudric, Dusan (Dusan) wrote: · During the time 173 can’t reach 172 there are ICMPv6 NS messages from 173 and NA to 173. 173 ndisc_recv_na() is not called. NAs are silently discarded somewhere. At the same time, 173 neighbor cache entry does not

RE: Feedback on draft-generic-6man-tunfrag-07

2013-02-08 Thread Templin, Fred L
Hi Fernando, -Original Message- From: Fernando Gont [mailto:fg...@si6networks.com] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 1:20 PM To: Templin, Fred L Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: Feedback on draft-generic-6man-tunfrag-07 On 02/08/2013 03:16 PM, Templin, Fred L wrote:

Re: [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-6man-ug-00.txt]

2013-02-08 Thread Usman Latif
Hi Remi, A few months ago, I raised some concerns around RFC 6164 which permitted use of /127 prefixes on inter-router p2p links. You mention use of u/g bits and reserved IID range for 4rd Don't you think that network operators who have by now implemented 6164 based addressing in their networks

Re: Moving forward draft-ietf-6man-oversized-header chain?

2013-02-08 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 08/02/2013 21:42, Fernando Gont wrote: On 02/08/2013 12:17 PM, RJ Atkinson wrote: **How many bytes of the transport header+payload are included in this definition?** For ESP, is it 8 bytes (SPI + Sequence Number)? I think that would be OK. Certainly it MUST NOT be more than those 8