Re: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-overlap-fragment-01.txt

2009-07-29 Thread Brian Haberman
All, The latest version of this document addresses all comments received during the last call. Unless there is an objection, I will begin the advancement of this draft to the IESG. Regards, Brian Brian Haberman wrote: All, This message starts a 2-week 6MAN Working Group Last Call

Re: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-overlap-fragment-01.txt

2009-05-29 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Thomas, On 28/05/09 04:06 PM, Thomas Narten wrote: Except now it can be read to apply to devices that shouldn't be required to do this, i.e., those that are not attempting to reassemble anything... How about something like: When reassembling an IPv6 datagram, if one or more its

Re: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-overlap-fragment-01.txt

2009-05-28 Thread Christian Vogt
On May 27, 2009, Suresh Krishnan wrote: Firewalls may or may not reassemble fragments, and I am not sure what to put in here. If you can suggest some text to put in this paragraph, I will be glad to add it to the document. Suresh - My suggestion is not about fragment reassembly in

Re: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-overlap-fragment-01.txt

2009-05-28 Thread Vishwas Manral
Hi Chritian, The draft already contains the below: IPv6 nodes transmitting datagrams that need to be fragmented MUST NOT create overlapping fragments. IPv6 nodes that receive a fragment that overlaps with a previously received fragment MUST cease the reassembly process and MUST

Re: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-overlap-fragment-01.txt

2009-05-28 Thread Christian Vogt
On May 28, 2009, Vishwas Manral wrote: The draft already contains the below: IPv6 nodes transmitting datagrams that need to be fragmented MUST NOT create overlapping fragments. IPv6 nodes that receive a fragment that overlaps with a previously received fragment MUST cease the

Re: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-overlap-fragment-01.txt

2009-05-28 Thread Vishwas Manral
Hi Christian, Ok. I think to make it more generic we can call it a middlebox instead of a firewall alone. The text could be : IPv6 nodes or middleboxes that receive a fragment that overlaps with a previously received fragment MUST cease the reassembly process and MUST discard the previously

Re: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-overlap-fragment-01.txt

2009-05-28 Thread Christian Vogt
Looks very good, Vishwas. You may consider softening this from a MUST to a SHOULD, though, given that hosts are at this stage not guaranteed to always produce non-overlapping fragments. - Christian On May 28, 2009, Vishwas Manral wrote: Hi Christian, Ok. I think to make it more generic we

Re: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-overlap-fragment-01.txt

2009-05-28 Thread Thomas Narten
Vishwas Manral vishwas.i...@gmail.com writes: Hi Christian, Ok. I think to make it more generic we can call it a middlebox instead of a firewall alone. The text could be : IPv6 nodes or middleboxes that receive a fragment that overlaps with a previously received fragment MUST cease the

Re: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-overlap-fragment-01.txt

2009-05-28 Thread Seiichi Kawamura
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Thomas Narten wrote: How about something like: When reassembling an IPv6 datagram, if one or more its constituent fragments is determined to be an overlapping fragment, the entire datagram (and any constituent fragments --

Re: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-overlap-fragment-01.txt

2009-05-27 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Christian, On 26/05/09 01:40 PM, Christian Vogt wrote: Yes, the document should contain more explicit guidance for firewall builders on how the document affects their products. Given the apparent absence of overlapping fragment for legitimate traffic, it would be safe, and even recommended,

Re: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-overlap-fragment-01.txt

2009-05-27 Thread Vishwas Manral
Hi Suresh, Sounds good to me. Thanks, Vishwas On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Suresh Krishnan suresh.krish...@ericsson.com wrote: Hi Vishwas,  Thanks for your comments. Please find responses inline. On 26/05/09 12:09 PM, Vishwas Manral wrote: Hi, The document version now is 02 and not

Re: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-overlap-fragment-01.txt

2009-05-26 Thread Vishwas Manral
Hi, The document version now is 02 and not 01. I support the document. That said I think the below could be clarified further about what needs to be done to the current fragment (it does talk about all previous fragments): IPv6 nodes that receive a fragment that overlaps with a previously

Re: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-overlap-fragment-01.txt

2009-05-26 Thread Christian Vogt
Suresh - As far as I know, there are no legitimate applications for overlapping fragments (please send in a note if you see any). I am not aware of any stack that generates these either under normal conditions either. In addition, there doesn't seem to be a reason, other than malicious,

Re: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-overlap-fragment-01.txt

2009-05-25 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Arnaud, Thanks for your comments. Please find responses inline. On 20/05/09 03:31 PM, Arnaud Ebalard wrote: The TCP header has the following values of the flags S(YN)=1 and A(CK)=1. This makes an inspecting stateful firewall think that it is I would say This may make. If the

Re: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-overlap-fragment-01.txt

2009-05-25 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Christian, Thanks for your comments. Please find responses inline. On 22/05/09 08:30 PM, Christian Vogt wrote: Suresh and all - I have read the document and support it being progressed as a Proposed Standard. The document identifies a security vulnerability that ought to be mitigated,

Re: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-overlap-fragment-01.txt

2009-05-22 Thread Christian Vogt
Suresh and all - I have read the document and support it being progressed as a Proposed Standard. The document identifies a security vulnerability that ought to be mitigated, and this document is a necessary step in doing so. One comment: Is there data on how common overlapping fragments are

Re: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-overlap-fragment-01.txt

2009-05-20 Thread Brian Haberman
All, This Last Call concluded with exactly one public comment. We cannot advance this document without support of the working group. Please review this draft and state whether you support or disagree with advancing it. Regards, Brian Brian Haberman wrote: All, This message

Re: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-overlap-fragment-01.txt

2009-03-05 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Remi, Thanks you for catching this. On 02/03/09 10:16 AM, Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote: Overall, I think this document should go forward. Great. However, the recommendation part should perhaps be a bit more explicit. I assume the recipient node should not trash packets with a matching

6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-overlap-fragment-01.txt

2009-03-02 Thread Brian Haberman
All, This message starts a 2-week 6MAN Working Group Last Call on advancing: Title : Handling of overlapping IPv6 fragments Author(s) : S. Krishnan Filename : draft-ietf-6man-overlap-fragment-01.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2008-11-4 as a

Re: 6MAN WG Last Call:draft-ietf-6man-overlap-fragment-01.txt

2009-03-02 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 09:32:33 -0500, Brian Haberman br...@innovationslab.net wrote: All, This message starts a 2-week 6MAN Working Group Last Call on advancing: Title : Handling of overlapping IPv6 fragments Author(s) : S. Krishnan Filename :