Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt

2005-07-20 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Manfredi, Albert E wrote: A /128 breaks IPv6 Privacy Addresses (RFC3041). Every device needs a /64 to allow this mechanism to be used. Bob Alternative mechanisms could permit interface IDs to be shorter than 64 bits, for example 48 bits or far fewer than that. Interface IDs only need to

Re: [GLOBAL-V6] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt

2005-07-20 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
At 08:32 20/07/2005, Brian E Carpenter wrote: In reality /64 is an architectural boundary, even if in theory it isn't. I don't believe that revisiting this is realistic. And I don't believe it is in the least necessary. Dear Brian, i am afraid this is orthogonal: - In reality /64 is an

Re: [GLOBAL-V6] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt

2005-07-19 Thread Randy Bush
We agree to go more liberal when we set the current policy. But I still believe that starting of allocating /2x size to requesting ISPs who has nothing but only because they have IPv4 customer is, I think, too far liberal. Is this the sound model that ISP never come back to RIR for

Re: [GLOBAL-V6] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt

2005-07-19 Thread marcelo bagnulo braun
Is it practical to change in other regions? We had a discussion about IPv6 address management in the LACNIC VIII meeting in Lima (30 of june 2005) and my reading of the comments of the meeting is that they are pretty much in line with the considerations expressed by Thomas in his drafts.

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt

2005-07-19 Thread Bob Hinden
Jordi, I see situations for assigning a /128 when a unique device is connected, which is not going to route anything else, but once it has other interfaces (which is the most common case and will become more and more often) ... A /128 breaks IPv6 Privacy Addresses (RFC3041). Every device

RE: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt

2005-07-19 Thread Manfredi, Albert E
A /128 breaks IPv6 Privacy Addresses (RFC3041). Every device needs a /64 to allow this mechanism to be used. Bob Alternative mechanisms could permit interface IDs to be shorter than 64 bits, for example 48 bits or far fewer than that. Interface IDs only need to be unique within a given

RE: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt

2005-07-18 Thread john . loughney
I said part of this on the ARIN PPML list but thought it should be repeated here. A /64 allocation never makes any sense. The claims about a PDA only needing one assume that it will never be dropped into a cradle of a vehicle suddenly enabling various subnets (freight environmental or

Re: [GLOBAL-V6] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt

2005-07-18 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 11:31:31AM +0200, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: One open question is if this change will impact in the default allocation of /32 to the LIRs. I mean, should they still keep considering that the customers will be able to request a /48 and consequently keep allocating

Re: [GLOBAL-V6] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt

2005-07-18 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt Hi, On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 11:31:31AM +0200, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: One open question is if this change will impact in the default allocation of /32 to the LIRs. I mean, should they still keep considering that the customers will be able

Re: [GLOBAL-V6] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt

2005-07-18 Thread Jeroen Massar
On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 22:12 +0900, Kosuke Ito wrote: Thank you. How many acctual/commercial assignments have been made (or registered) in LACNIC area? See http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/dfp/lacnic/ Also for the other regions of course. Greets, Jeroen signature.asc Description: This is a

Re: [GLOBAL-V6] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt

2005-07-18 Thread marcelo bagnulo braun
as suggested in previous emails from Thomas) De: Thomas Narten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:11:19 +0200 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: ipv6@ietf.org ipv6@ietf.org Asunto: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt Hi Jordi. I've

Re: [GLOBAL-V6] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt

2005-07-18 Thread Raul Echeberria
Thomas Narten wrote: Ito-san, You raise some good questions. I have been observing the current discussion on reviewing the current policies and address allocation practices. Then, I felt that we should resort what a real issue is. Why do we need to change HD-Ratio? To ensure that

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt

2005-07-18 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Hain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:50:52 -0700 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], ipv6@ietf.org Asunto: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt The operator never should know if the device has a backside interface, so

RE: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt

2005-07-18 Thread Tony Hain
:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt I tend to agree with this. I see situations for assigning a /128 when a unique device is connected, which is not going to route anything else, but once it has other interfaces

RE: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt

2005-07-18 Thread Tony Hain
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 11:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt I was thinking in a PPP link or PDP

Re: [GLOBAL-V6] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt

2005-07-17 Thread marcelo bagnulo braun
@ietf.org ipv6@ietf.org Asunto: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt Hi Jordi. I've read yesterday this document, and I'm basically ok with it, but with two considerations that I think must be worked out it parallel somehow: 1) HD-Ratio modification, as it seems

Re: [GLOBAL-V6] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt

2005-07-16 Thread Thomas Narten
Ito-san, You raise some good questions. I have been observing the current discussion on reviewing the current policies and address allocation practices. Then, I felt that we should resort what a real issue is. Why do we need to change HD-Ratio? To ensure that we really have plenty of IPv6

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt

2005-07-16 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
PROTECTED] Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:40:24 -0700 Para: 'Thomas Narten' [EMAIL PROTECTED], ipv6@ietf.org Asunto: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt I said part of this on the ARIN PPML list but thought it should be repeated here. A /64

RE: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt

2005-07-15 Thread Tony Hain
: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:44 PM To: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: FWD: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt Here's an ID for consideration by the IPv6 WG. Background: Discussion on the more general topic took place at the April ARIN and May RIPE meetings. A good summary of those

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt

2005-07-14 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
2005 23:44:02 +0200 Para: ipv6@ietf.org ipv6@ietf.org Asunto: FWD: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt Here's an ID for consideration by the IPv6 WG. Background: Discussion on the more general topic took place at the April ARIN and May RIPE meetings. A good summary

Re: FWD: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt

2005-07-14 Thread Pekka Savola
://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-narten-iana-rir-ipv6-considerations-00.txt Thomas --- Forwarded Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:50:03 -0400 Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt

2005-07-14 Thread Thomas Narten
Hi Jordi. I've read yesterday this document, and I'm basically ok with it, but with two considerations that I think must be worked out it parallel somehow: 1) HD-Ratio modification, as it seems to be an integral part of the discussion. IMO, changing the HD-ratio is a no-brainer, and I

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt

2005-07-14 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
] Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:11:19 +0200 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: ipv6@ietf.org ipv6@ietf.org Asunto: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt Hi Jordi. I've read yesterday this document, and I'm basically ok with it, but with two

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt

2005-07-14 Thread Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)
Thomas and Jordi, I of course share the worry that the operators will start charging differently different size end-user allocations. However, I feel there is little we can do about the in the IETF and therefore I would see that we should not use too much time on this. I think the only practical

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt

2005-07-14 Thread David Conrad
Hi, On Jul 14, 2005, at 2:59 AM, Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki) wrote: I of course share the worry that the operators will start charging differently different size end-user allocations. I strongly suspect they will since many ISPs have already incorporated address space charges into

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt

2005-07-14 Thread Kosuke Ito
) De: Thomas Narten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:11:19 +0200 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: ipv6@ietf.org ipv6@ietf.org Asunto: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt Hi Jordi. I've read yesterday this document, and I'm basically

Re: [GLOBAL-V6] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt

2005-07-14 Thread Tomohiro -INSTALLER- Fujisaki
| Regarding the assignment size, when we held JP Open Policy | Meeting last week, there are many voices saying that | varying assignment size is too much impact on the current | commercial service not in its network operation but also | for the low-cost routing devices handling /48. |

FWD: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt

2005-07-13 Thread Thomas Narten
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:50:03 -0400 Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-00.txt Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title