Re: Issue 3: on link assumption considered harmful

2003-10-30 Thread Juan Rodriguez Hervella
On Wednesday 29 October 2003 22:03, Pekka Savola wrote: Hi, Combining this, and the comment from the AI_ADDRCONFIG thread, and adding v6ops in the Cc:.. On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Juan Rodriguez Hervella wrote: [...] You will have to give me other arguments to kill the on-link assuption. You

Re: Issue 3: on link assumption considered harmful

2003-10-30 Thread Juan Rodriguez Hervella
On Thursday 30 October 2003 01:43, Soliman Hesham wrote: I quote yourself on a previous mail on this thread: The problems of this assumption are discussed in section 3 of Alain's draft. The draft suggests that this assumption should be removed from ND specs. Here is the suggestion:

RE: Issue 3: on link assumption considered harmful

2003-10-30 Thread Soliman Hesham
AFAIK, nothing else would break (fortunately). I've already got an scenario, which is what you are trying to break. Isn't that enough ? Of course I can configure _manually_ the hosts , as well as configuring the IP address and the default route (oops...why do people use DHCP

Re: Issue 3: on link assumption considered harmful

2003-10-30 Thread Juan Rodriguez Hervella
On Thursday 30 October 2003 18:15, Pekka Savola wrote: On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Juan Rodriguez Hervella wrote: [...] Ooops, forget the oven :-), just think as if the fridge was shipped with an Ipv6 address prefix and the scheduler was shipped with another IPv6 prefix :) The whole point of

Re: Issue 3: on link assumption considered harmful

2003-10-30 Thread Sebastien Roy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: For example, your fridge wants to talk with the scheduler to ask for more food. The oven, which is sending RAs, is turned off. This will cause no communication at all. I prefer 3 seconds of delay. I'm the auto-communication kind of man. I don't see how you reached the

Re: Issue 3: on link assumption considered harmful

2003-10-30 Thread Pekka Savola
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Juan Rodriguez Hervella wrote: [...] Ooops, forget the oven :-), just think as if the fridge was shipped with an Ipv6 address prefix and the scheduler was shipped with another IPv6 prefix :) The whole point of IPv6 (and also IP) is that machines aren't shipped with

Re: Issue 3: on link assumption considered harmful

2003-10-29 Thread Juan Rodriguez Hervella
Hello, please read at the bottom: On Wednesday 29 October 2003 05:52, Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino wrote: This is a fairly straight forward issue. see: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-v6ops-onlinkassumption-00. txt 2461 says in section 5.2 : Next-hop determination

Re: Issue 3: on link assumption considered harmful

2003-10-29 Thread Juan Rodriguez Hervella
On Wednesday 29 October 2003 14:49, Soliman Hesham wrote: I think this scenario is useful for IPv6 small-devices, so I don't quite agree with you all. I feel that we are undoing a lot of things and we will end up with no autoconfiguration features at all. This might be a good

Re: Issue 3: on link assumption considered harmful

2003-10-28 Thread Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino
This is a fairly straight forward issue. see: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-v6ops-onlinkassumption-00.txt 2461 says in section 5.2 : Next-hop determination for a given unicast destination operates as follows. The sender performs a longest prefix match against

RE: Issue 3: on link assumption considered harmful

2003-10-28 Thread Soliman Hesham
the scenario is not significantly attractive to me. = Completely agree with you. on the other hand, the issue with the current conceptual sending algorithm (fallback to IPv4 gets deleyed severely) is severe, so i'm all for the suggested change. =

Re: Issue 3: on link assumption considered harmful

2003-10-28 Thread Keith Moore
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:46:44 -0500 Soliman Hesham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To allow the scenario mentioned above to work, hosts would have to communicate using their link-local addresses. This seems like a reasonable suggestion, any objections? yes. I strenously object to any expectation