RE: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-06.txt)

2010-09-02 Thread Laganier, Julien
Hi Suresh, Suresh Krishnan wrote: Hi Ralph, Snipped a whole lot of old quoting On 10-08-26 08:18 PM, Ralph Droms wrote: Suresh... But the multicast RAs don't advertise prefixes, right, so the subscriber nodes won't be able to complete SLAAC? Correct. I think the point is

Re: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-06.txt)

2010-08-27 Thread Ralph Droms
Suresh - a further comment on using standard stacks. There is a potential problem with using RA as sign of life: if the node receives an unsolicited RS before it sends an RA, the node will accept that RS and never send an RA. The node waits a random interval between 0 and 1 seconds before

Re: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-06.txt)

2010-08-27 Thread Ralph Droms
Josh Littlefield pointed out where I was confused - I reversed RS and RA, so my text should have read: ...a further comment on using standard stacks. There is a potential problem with using RS as sign of life: if the node receives an unsolicited RA before it sends an RS, the node will accept

Re: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-06.txt)

2010-08-27 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Ralph, Snipped a whole lot of old quoting On 10-08-26 08:18 PM, Ralph Droms wrote: Suresh... But the multicast RAs don't advertise prefixes, right, so the subscriber nodes won't be able to complete SLAAC? Correct. I think the point is to use standard node stacks: Windows 7, OS X,

Re: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-06.txt)

2010-08-27 Thread Thomas Narten
Suresh, I would not say it is a problem with the deployment architecture. As I said in mails to Thomas and Woj, the issue occurs in other deployment architectures that need to use different prefixes over the same shared L2 domain (e.g. WLAN AP with 2 SSIDs mapped into 2 VLANs on the fixed

Re: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-06.txt)

2010-08-27 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Thomas, On 10-08-27 07:42 PM, Thomas Narten wrote: Suresh, I would not say it is a problem with the deployment architecture. As I said in mails to Thomas and Woj, the issue occurs in other deployment architectures that need to use different prefixes over the same shared L2 domain (e.g.

Re: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-06.txt)

2010-08-27 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Ralph, On 10-08-27 10:51 AM, Ralph Droms wrote: References: 4c61959a.7040...@innovationslab.net 1b6d0317d3ad964fbf3956defa3524d505c580f...@eusaacms0701.eamcs.ericsson.se aanlktimguhnaeb0oxisyj2yc0d_pwisp4b9yz7p4a...@mail.gmail.com

Re: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-06.txt)

2010-08-26 Thread Wojciech Dec
On 26 August 2010 00:47, Suresh Krishnan suresh.krish...@ericsson.comwrote: Hi Woj, I think this is the basis of our disagreement. There are no assumptions that this document is making. There are usage scenarios not involving the mechanism proposed in this document that are relevant to

Re: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-06.txt)

2010-08-26 Thread Thomas Narten
I htink Woj is right and raises some fundamental issues. The RS/RA mechanism *assumes* that routers send out periodic multicast advertisements. Having nodes send out an RS to solicit RAs is a sort of optimization, intended to prod routers into sending out an RA immediately. But the sending of

RE: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-06.txt)

2010-08-26 Thread Alan Kavanagh
To: Suresh Krishnan Cc: Brian Haberman; IPv6 WG Mailing List Subject: Re: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-06.txt) On 26 August 2010 00:47, Suresh Krishnan suresh.krish...@ericsson.commailto:suresh.krish...@ericsson.com wrote: Hi Woj, I

RE: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-06.txt)

2010-08-26 Thread Alan Kavanagh
Hi Thomas -Original Message- From: ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Narten Sent: August-26-10 8:38 AM To: Wojciech Dec Cc: Brian Haberman; IPv6 WG Mailing List; Suresh Krishnan Subject: Re: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus call

Re: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-06.txt)

2010-08-26 Thread Thomas Narten
Alan Kavanagh alan.kavan...@ericsson.com writes: The RS/RA mechanism *assumes* that routers send out periodic multicast advertisements. Having nodes send out an RS to solicit RAs is a sort of optimization, intended to prod routers into sending out an RA immediately. But the sending of RSes

Re: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-06.txt)

2010-08-26 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Thomas, On 10-08-26 08:37 AM, Thomas Narten wrote: I htink Woj is right and raises some fundamental issues. Yes. And nobody said anything to the contrary. I problem is that the issue is orthogonal to the mechanism described in the RS mark draft. Even if draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark was

Re: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-06.txt)

2010-08-26 Thread Ralph Droms
Suresh... On Aug 26, 2010, at 7:20 PM 8/26/10, Suresh Krishnan wrote: Hi Thomas, On 10-08-26 08:37 AM, Thomas Narten wrote: I htink Woj is right and raises some fundamental issues. Yes. And nobody said anything to the contrary. I problem is that the issue is orthogonal to the mechanism

Re: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-06.txt)

2010-08-25 Thread Wojciech Dec
Hi Suresh, thanks for looking further into this problem, and publishing an updated draft 07. Let me however stress that this problem is one very strictly tied to the (supposed?) usage context of the RS-mark mechanism, and thus it really needs to be described/addressed in the rs-mark draft, not

Re: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-06.txt)

2010-08-25 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Woj, On 10-08-25 04:31 AM, Wojciech Dec wrote: Hi Suresh, thanks for looking further into this problem, and publishing an updated draft 07. Let me however stress that this problem is one very strictly tied to the (supposed?) usage context of the RS-mark mechanism, and thus it really

Re: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-06.txt)

2010-08-25 Thread Wojciech Dec
On 25 August 2010 17:18, Suresh Krishnan suresh.krish...@ericsson.comwrote: Hi Woj, On 10-08-25 04:31 AM, Wojciech Dec wrote: Hi Suresh, thanks for looking further into this problem, and publishing an updated draft 07. Let me however stress that this problem is one very strictly tied to

Re: RS Lost failure scenario (Was Re: Consensus call on adopting:draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-06.txt)

2010-08-25 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Woj, On 10-08-25 11:56 AM, Wojciech Dec wrote: I respectfully disagree. Here's why. The RS-mark mechanism describes how RSs are marked and how the responding solicited-RAs are sent. It has got nothing to do with other neighbor discovery messages. e.g. Unsolicited multicast