Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Sun is 'history' now.

2010-06-28 Thread jitesh dundas
Yup..hope that is good news for everyone.. Regards, jd On 6/29/10, Vince O'Sullivan wrote: > Sun has passed on to that great big database in the sky... > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email

Re: [The Java Posse] Sun is 'profitable' now.

2010-06-28 Thread jitesh dundas
I think it is actually both..Anyways,that is a personal opinion. Regards, jd On 6/29/10, Steven Herod wrote: > What a difference a change in management makes. > > http://www.newsfactor.com/news/Oracle-Profit-Up-After-Sun-Takeover/story.xhtml?story_id=13000CYP8I26&full_skip=1 > > (either that or

Re: [The Java Posse] Tab / Spaces anyone?

2010-06-28 Thread Amarjeet Singh
It was years back when I went to this site, but my understanding is that this is a predominantly a .NET/M$ oriented site. If yes, then the results are a no surprise! Regards On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:57 PM, ebresie wrote: > http://www.codeproject.com/Surveys/1049/Soft-tabs-spaces-or-Hard-tabs-C

[The Java Posse] Re: Sun is 'history' now.

2010-06-28 Thread Vince O'Sullivan
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[The Java Posse] Tab / Spaces anyone?

2010-06-28 Thread ebresie
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[The Java Posse] Re: This years JavaZone trailer is out. Really fun!

2010-06-28 Thread Steven Herod
Twas brillant. Michael Neale's interest in Scala is now explained. On Jun 26, 6:52 pm, Kevin Wright wrote: > "we are just enjoying some porn..." > > inspired :) > > On 26 June 2010 09:50, Michael Neale wrote: > > > > > > > The hat was just brilliant. > > > On Jun 25, 10:33 pm, Paul Nyheim wrot

[The Java Posse] Sun is 'profitable' now.

2010-06-28 Thread Steven Herod
What a difference a change in management makes. http://www.newsfactor.com/news/Oracle-Profit-Up-After-Sun-Takeover/story.xhtml?story_id=13000CYP8I26&full_skip=1 (either that or accounting rules, but I'm going to go with the former). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

[The Java Posse] Re: Privacy concerns for Apple and Android

2010-06-28 Thread Steven Herod
Meh, its just an example of the 'if we asked the user for permission, then its not our fault if it goes wrong' mentality that's I considered Windows UAC to be the king of. The Android open store thing worries me, if a company is selling something in their store they have a responsibility to ensure

Re: [The Java Posse] Subliminal messages...

2010-06-28 Thread Marcelo Fukushima
To be fair, both netbeans and intellij have an eclipse shortcut profile so you dont have to learn much shortcuts On Jun 28, 2010 8:29 PM, "Moandji Ezana" wrote: On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Jess Holle wrote: > > I do happen to use NetBeans,... Learning a new programming language or framewo

[The Java Posse] Re: Project build with NetBeans or RAD

2010-06-28 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
Because (A) import statements cannot be versioned, (B) not all library usages involve an import in the first place (e.g. JDBC drivers, additional charsets, URL handlers, etcetera), (C) import is strictly optional (you can always write java.util.List and not import List), (D) imports are used repeat

Re: [The Java Posse] Subliminal messages...

2010-06-28 Thread Moandji Ezana
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Jess Holle wrote: > I do happen to use NetBeans, but in any case I think it's great to give the > top underdog a good, fair shake in most any case. The group think, everyone > goes to the current market share leader and never considers anything else is > how we

Re: [The Java Posse] Privacy concerns for Apple and Android

2010-06-28 Thread Moandji Ezana
Since I wrote the email below, I've heard two other people complain about exactly this (Gina Trapani on This Week In Google and someone else I can't remember). An example I have in front of me: the Kindle app requires permission to "read phone state and identity", which is under the "Phone calls"

Re: [The Java Posse] Subliminal messages...

2010-06-28 Thread Jess Holle
Use the #1 underdog IDE du jour [and thus #2 overall, in terms of market share]! I do happen to use NetBeans, but in any case I think it's great to give the top underdog a good, fair shake in most any case. The group think, everyone goes to the current market share leader and never considers

Re: [The Java Posse] Subliminal messages...

2010-06-28 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 6/28/10 23:33 , Mark Derricutt wrote: > Loved (use netbeans) the latest (use netbeans) news cast guys. But > I (use netbeans) wonder if we could (use netbeans) cut down on the > (use netbeans) subliminal messages and (use netbeans) neural > reprogr

[The Java Posse] Subliminal messages...

2010-06-28 Thread Mark Derricutt
Loved (use netbeans) the latest (use netbeans) news cast guys. But I (use netbeans) wonder if we could (use netbeans) cut down on the (use netbeans) subliminal messages and (use netbeans) neural reprogramming a little. I think I might use netbeans. Mark -- Pull me down under... -- You recei

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: NetBeans code completion for logging

2010-06-28 Thread Peter Becker
At some level in the code IOException and SqlException are part of the domain model. They should just not be allowed to bubble up. Peter On 27/06/10 18:19, Kevin Wright wrote: There's a school of thought stating that checked exceptions are okay for domain-level concepts, but not low-level

Re: [The Java Posse] Episode #312 - NetBeans 6.9

2010-06-28 Thread Kerry Sainsbury
Mark, will you PLEASE stop talking about the FREAKING iPod. Sheesh! On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:18 AM, Mark Derricutt wrote: > I remember a few years back the Posse were getting a lot of flak for > being a "tool/ide fanboy podcast" focusing too much on tooling stuff. > Seems the guys can't win no

Re: [The Java Posse] Android "cool L&F" design guidelines

2010-06-28 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 6/28/10 21:56 , Manfred Moser wrote: > The presentation about Android UI at Google IO i saw on youtube was > pretty good. It should give you some great ideas. > > http://code.google.com/events/io/2010/sessions/android-ui-design-patterns.html > Than

Re: [The Java Posse] Android "cool L&F" design guidelines

2010-06-28 Thread Manfred Moser
The presentation about Android UI at Google IO i saw on youtube was pretty good. It should give you some great ideas. http://code.google.com/events/io/2010/sessions/android-ui-design-patterns.html manfred -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Po

[The Java Posse] Android "cool L&F" design guidelines

2010-06-28 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 While I'm aware of and I think I've read most of the official guidelines for designing the UI of an Android app, I think I'm missing an advanced reference for designing "cool" look and feels. I mean, to have something that is fashionable as the iPhone.

Re: [The Java Posse] Episode #312 - NetBeans 6.9

2010-06-28 Thread Mark Derricutt
I remember a few years back the Posse were getting a lot of flak for being a "tool/ide fanboy podcast" focusing too much on tooling stuff. Seems the guys can't win no matter what content they produce :) All I have to say is I have a fast forward button on iTunes and the iPod and can skip the stuff

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Project build with NetBeans or RAD

2010-06-28 Thread Wildam Martin
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 13:26, Fabrizio Giudici wrote: > At this point, the proper place could be the package itself. I mean, a > module is composed of one or more packages; but you can usually > identify the "main" package (OSGi and NB Platform actually designate > the module by means of its main

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Project build with NetBeans or RAD

2010-06-28 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 6/28/10 13:16 , Wildam Martin wrote: > > Convinced - yes, I also use the * quite never and yes, it would be too > verbose and somwhat not "normalized". > > OK, alternative: extra statement, maybe above the list of imports > where you can declare it

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Project build with NetBeans or RAD

2010-06-28 Thread Wildam Martin
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:29, Fabrizio Giudici wrote: > I disagree :-). First, the thing wouldn't be DRY: if you import > multiple classes from the same module, you have to repeat the version > number for each of them, while indeed there is only a single version > number. At least, we should work

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Project build with NetBeans or RAD

2010-06-28 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 6/28/10 09:50 , Wildam Martin wrote: > >> I envision IDEs which, out of the box, "just >> work" when you write "requires com.google.collect @ 1.0;" in your >> module descriptor, automatically and without fuss. > > Why a separate descriptor - why cou

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Project build with NetBeans or RAD

2010-06-28 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 6/28/10 12:19 , Wildam Martin wrote: > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:42, Fabrizio Giudici > wrote: >>> Why a separate descriptor - why couldn't this be done already with the >>> import statement. >>> You could have a public repository where the provid

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Project build with NetBeans or RAD

2010-06-28 Thread Wildam Martin
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:42, Fabrizio Giudici wrote: >> Why a separate descriptor - why couldn't this be done already with the >> import statement. >> You could have a public repository where the provider of a class is >> automatically be found - like the apt or yum works on Linux? > You don't h

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Less IPhone

2010-06-28 Thread Kevin Wright
Nope! it's the other way round... - Lisp inspired Logo which inspired smalltalk - smalltalk & c++ then went on to inspire objective-c - in the meantime, c++ also inspired Java, which gave us the JVM - JVM & Lisp then form the basis of Clojure If anything did it first, it was Lisp! Th

[The Java Posse] Re: Less IPhone

2010-06-28 Thread Vince O'Sullivan
No. Turtles = LOGO = Lisp = Clojure = "Smalltalk did it first and did it better and everyong else is just catching up" On Jun 27, 9:50 pm, Kevin Wright wrote: > So... > > Turtles = LOGO = Lisp = Clojure? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Po

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Project build with NetBeans or RAD

2010-06-28 Thread Wildam Martin
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 20:10, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote: > ... but not having to reinvent the wheel or jump through a few > bajillion hoops just to work with fairly common features is also > crucially important. Of course - you are right - it is a tightrope walk. > I envision IDEs which, out o

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: NetBeans code completion for logging

2010-06-28 Thread Wildam Martin
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 20:14, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote: > I have absolutely no clue what you're on about, Martin. Thanks to Dan and Fabrizio I got the point - of course in most cases it needs editing anyway. On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 17:51, Fabrizio Giudici wrote: > On 6/27/10 10:06 , Dan Godf