Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Blog Post: Java is deliberately not programmer-orientated

2010-09-19 Thread Kevin Wright
Behind the scenes, this is a form of dataflow concurrency, delimited continuations being the secret sauce that makes it all work. (if you're familiar with continuations in Jetty 7, you'll have a broad idea of the technique) So, yes, threads are involved, but not in the way you imagine. On 19 Sept

[The Java Posse] Farts?

2010-09-19 Thread Mark Derricutt
Oh man - that fart sound - that sounded WAY WAY more like runny greasy badness. I hope you guys had paper handy :) Mark -- Pull me down under... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...

[The Java Posse] Re: Farts?

2010-09-19 Thread Christian Catchpole
Fart Studio http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4ehLV945lY (should have been 2 mins shorter) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send em

Re: [The Java Posse] 2011 Java Posse Roundup

2010-09-19 Thread J B
*bump* Any word on this? Birch On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 12:50 PM, J B wrote: > Is there going to be a 2011 Java Posse roundup? If so, when will > details come out, or are they somewhere already? I would love to make > it this year. > > Thanks! > > Birch > http://codefui.com > > -- > You receiv

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Blog Post: Java is deliberately not programmer-orientated

2010-09-19 Thread Graham Allan
You're right about that, it's not optimal, and given the choice I'd opt for less crap. But, having said that, it's so far down the list of priorities for switching languages that it's not even worth mentioning. Out of interest, do the Scala tools (such as the Eclipse plugin) handle imports as s

Re: [The Java Posse] eBook reader for technical reading ?

2010-09-19 Thread B Smith-Mannschott
I got a Kindle DX (9.7") (of the current generation, which is charcoal grey) recently. I went with the larger DX because I wanted something I could read my (largish) collection of PDF programming and computer science books on. Papers too. The DX has the resolution to display PDFs designed for US Le

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Blog Post: Java is deliberately not programmer-orientated

2010-09-19 Thread Kevin Wright
Not quite as seamlessly, but both Eclipse and IntelliJ now do a reasonable job of import management. On 19 September 2010 13:57, Graham Allan wrote: > You're right about that, it's not optimal, and given the choice I'd opt for > less crap. But, having said that, it's so far down the list of prio

Re: [The Java Posse] eBook reader for technical reading ?

2010-09-19 Thread Jan Goyvaerts™
I read the newest Kindle could indeed annotate pdf's. But honestly, 6" for a technical manual ? Weird is that the DX' OS can't be upgraded to the level of Kindle 3's... The iPad might be a good choice, but a bit of overkill for just reading. Or maybe somebody in here has feedback about this ? Is a

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Blog Post: Java is deliberately not programmer-orientated

2010-09-19 Thread Josh Berry
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote: > I usually get funny looks and stares when I argue this, but in my > opinion a good programming language _defines_ style rules. Meh. I think it is a waste of time to worry about most of the style rules. Not to mention, style is such

Re: [The Java Posse] eBook reader for technical reading ?

2010-09-19 Thread B Smith-Mannschott
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 17:49, Jan Goyvaerts™ wrote: > I read the newest Kindle could indeed annotate pdf's. But honestly, 6" for > a technical manual ? Weird is that the DX' OS can't be upgraded to the level > of Kindle 3's... > > Yea, the kindle 3 is at 3.0.x, but my DX is still at 2.5.x. Should

[The Java Posse] Re: eBook reader for technical reading ?

2010-09-19 Thread Tor Norbye
I've been happily using the iPad as an ebook reader. I've mostly been using the Kindle app, since Amazon has (by far) the best selection of technical books. The app also has most of the features you mention (highlight passages (and jump to your highlights), add notes, indexing and hyperlinks, and i

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Blog Post: Java is deliberately not programmer-orientated

2010-09-19 Thread B Smith-Mannschott
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 18:03, Josh Berry wrote: > > > On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot > wrote: > >> I usually get funny looks and stares when I argue this, but in my >> opinion a good programming language _defines_ style rules. > > > > Meh. I think it is a waste of time to

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: eBook reader for technical reading ?

2010-09-19 Thread Cédric Beust ♔
Here is what a technical book looks like on the new Kindle: http://imgur.com/R96co (this is a page from Programming in Scala) The display looks actually nicer than it does in the picture (which I took with my phone, and the colors look a bit washed out because of the light that I was using). My

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: eBook reader for technical reading ?

2010-09-19 Thread Jan Goyvaerts™
Does the iPad has a pdf reader supporting annotation and highlighting ? I guess searching for pdf containing keywords is défacto included. On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 18:23, Tor Norbye wrote: > I've been happily using the iPad as an ebook reader. I've mostly been > using the Kindle app, since Amazon

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Blog Post: Java is deliberately not programmer-orientated

2010-09-19 Thread Cédric Beust ♔
I've found Java to be remarkably style impervious in the sense that I can read Java code using all kinds of different styles (different indentations, different brace placements, different namings for fields or variables, etc...) and not be bothered by it for more than a few seconds. I can't say th

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: eBook reader for technical reading ?

2010-09-19 Thread Jan Goyvaerts™
Well... that not too bad actually. And you can search your collection of pdf's for keywords ? 2010/9/19 Cédric Beust ♔ > Here is what a technical book looks like on the new Kindle: > > http://imgur.com/R96co > > (this is a page from Programming in Scala) > > The display looks actually nicer than

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Blog Post: Java is deliberately not programmer-orientated

2010-09-19 Thread Kevin Wright
Totally, I'll just read what I'm given - or reformat in an IDE if it's *really* bad (e.g. written with a different tab size other than 4) I'm also finding that the guideline 2 space indents in Scala is a nice visual reminder as to which language I'm working in, more than once I've found myself typ

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Blog Post: Java is deliberately not programmer-orientated

2010-09-19 Thread Josh Berry
2010/9/19 Cédric Beust ♔ > I've found Java to be remarkably style impervious in the sense that I can > read Java code using all kinds of different styles (different indentations, > different brace placements, different namings for fields or variables, > etc...) and not be bothered by it for more

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Blog Post: Java is deliberately not programmer-orientated

2010-09-19 Thread Kevin Wright
You should check out ScalaTest, or Cucumber in Ruby, or Spock in Groovy. I know there are similar frameworks in other languages - just can't remember the names right now! For some reason, test frameworks seem to be a hotbed of innovation for all this literate DSL'y stuff On 19 September 2010 1

[The Java Posse] In town for JavaOne 2010?

2010-09-19 Thread Jonathan Fuerth
Hey everyone, I'm not sure how many fellow Java Posse listeners will be going to JavaOne this year, especially now that Google has pulled out (what a downer! No Bloch & Gafter puzzlers talk this year?) But if you are still going, I have two things to suggest: 1. How about a group outing to the S

[The Java Posse] Re: eBook reader for technical reading ?

2010-09-19 Thread Stefan Kendall
I'd also be interested in this. No one I know using an ebook reader is using it with technical books. The iPad can read pdfs, so maybe that's the best solution? On Sep 18, 5:35 pm, Jan Goyvaerts™ wrote: > Hi, > > By any chance, does somebody here knows about a suitable ebook reader for > technica

[The Java Posse] Re: eBook reader for technical reading ?

2010-09-19 Thread Mark Freeman
>From what I have seen, the Kindle DX may be your best choice. I have the Kindle 2, but the screen size is just small enough to make reading pdfs a problem. On Sep 18, 4:35 pm, Jan Goyvaerts™ wrote: > Hi, > > By any chance, does somebody here knows about a suitable ebook reader for > technical r

Re: [The Java Posse] eBook reader for technical reading ?

2010-09-19 Thread Jeffrey M Cecil
I also have the DX. I have found that I have quit using it for technical docs. The response is too slow. It isn't convenient to flip around while using as a reference and PDF has a long way to go to be functional beyond linear reading. As far as I know it is still the best technical eReader avai

Re: [The Java Posse] eBook reader for technical reading ?

2010-09-19 Thread Jan Goyvaerts™
But then again, the laptop is not something you take everywhere with you... Neither does it boot that fast. So MAYBE the ipad is what we're looking for ? On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 16:14, Jeffrey M Cecil wrote: > I also have the DX. I have found that I have quit using it for technical > docs. Th

Re: [The Java Posse] eBook reader for technical reading ?

2010-09-19 Thread Matthew Beldyk
I recently got the newest Kindle 3 (the smaller one because I'm cheap.) The resolution is apparently much better than the older ones (I've not held the older ones, so I can't speak to that.) I've been using it mainly to read technical papers (PDFs with lots of equations and diagrams) and have had

[The Java Posse] Re: eBook reader for technical reading ?

2010-09-19 Thread Tor Norbye
Funny -- I've been reading Programming in Scala as a PDF too :-) Here's an iPad screen capture from the page I happened to be on: http://lh5.ggpht.com/_PkzBdpmSG-Y/TJaGEnlUMXI/BgQ/MBURFPcLaSM/IMG_0050.jpg (Picasa insisted on converting the pure .png file to a .jpg so there may be some co

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Blog Post: Java is deliberately not programmer-orientated

2010-09-19 Thread Josh Berry
Yeah, Specs has been the example that I've used to show people "literate specifications." And, I realize there are some rather enjoyable "literate" programs in Java. James Iry's wonderful chucking example is rather fun. http://james-iry.blogspot.com/2010/08/on-removing-java-checked-exceptions-by.

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Blog Post: Java is deliberately not programmer-orientated

2010-09-19 Thread Steel City Phantom
I happen to like javas package system. It's simple and absolute. I like that. That issue is actually one of my biggest complaints about c# trying to organize code in that is a nightmare to me. To many ways to screw up in my opinion On Sunday, September 19, 2010, Josh Berry wrote: > > > 2010/9/19

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Blog Post: Java is deliberately not programmer-orientated

2010-09-19 Thread Josh Suereth
the val does not evaluate to (), the compiler actually adds the () after the val definition. It's a workaround for situation where you assign to a value in a code block. It removes the need for () at the end of an expression that does so. (I know I'm late on this conversation). - Josh On Fri,

[The Java Posse] offtopic: google maps update on Android sucks!

2010-09-19 Thread Matthew Kerle
anyone else updated their google maps app lately and notice that now the search pane is pinned to the screen and can't be removed? Not sure what the design decision was on that one, that on a device with an already small screen, that a sizable chunk of it should be taken up with something that's ju

[The Java Posse] Re: Blog Post: Java is deliberately not programmer-orientated

2010-09-19 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
You're equating english or jazz to programming? That seems, in a word, ridiculous. The simile would be in trying to codify what kinds of _programs_ you could write. That would indeed be a very bad idea. Trying to codify _how_ you write them is something programming languages do pretty much by defi

[The Java Posse] Re: Blog Post: Java is deliberately not programmer-orientated

2010-09-19 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
I don't think he invented it. For those who have an interest in it, a better alternative is, instead of declaring that you return "A", instead forget A and declare that you return "RuntimeException". Then, advise people to use: throw sneakyThrows(new IOException()); instead of James's: return sn

[The Java Posse] JavaOne 2010 Keynotes somewhere ?

2010-09-19 Thread Jan Goyvaerts™
I was expecting some kind of news burst this morning... where the keynotes such uneventful ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send