[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

I've considered putting an SSD in my MBP and decided against it - on cost grounds. As far as using SSDs in Apple hardware in general, here's an interesting article from Bit Tech (aka Custom PC magazine in the UK): http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/apple/2010/07/01/mac-ssd-performance-trim-in-osx/7

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On Dec 3, 8:17 pm, Casper Bang wrote: > I wonder if the whole debate isn't pointless, given that Apple and IOS > does not support TRIM commands but instead has their own custom > "garbage collection" firmware (like early generation SSD's). On the desktop, I think only Windows 7 supports TRIM. Si

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

> Yes, but the trend is that as times goes on, more and more stuff is user > replaceable and, to stay in topic, at the moment all MBs and MBPs have > both memory and disk user replaceable. So, the original poster is right > in guessing why there's a step back for SSD (a valid argument would be > so

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

Rob, Actually the -only- reason my friend took his mini to the Apple store was because I used to listen to the MacCast (maccast.com), this podcaster spent quite some time digging into Apple's actual policies, both published and on the ground from listener feedback. On that basis I told him his bro

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On 12/03/2010 01:01 AM, Rob Ross wrote: The issue is not well specified, and I suspect this is on purpose. In general, the prevailing "wisdom" has been : if the user guide for the product has instructions on how to replace something, then it's considered a "user replaceable" part. However, the

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On Dec 2, 2010, at 12:22 AM, Phil wrote: > On Dec 1, 9:09 pm, Rob Ross wrote: > (snip) >> Anyone that upgrades their hard drive is voiding their warranty, although >> lots of people do it. > (snip) >> >> Rob > > I have to disagree; Apple have always had a policy that you can > certainly chang

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On Dec 2, 12:22 pm, Robert Casto wrote: > I'm sure they spent a lot of money getting to the production phase. Now > Apple says to stop and they are supposed to do as they are ordered? I guess > if you want to make money off Apple products you have to do what Apple says, > but it sure shows what

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

I'm sure they spent a lot of money getting to the production phase. Now Apple says to stop and they are supposed to do as they are ordered? I guess if you want to make money off Apple products you have to do what Apple says, but it sure shows what kind of people they are. On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 12

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

Do you really think anyone cares that you can't get some SSD mod for the Air? Maybe instead of an Air they should have gotten a Dell mini and stuffed whatever SSD they want into it (or a 13" Macbook). Yea, it'd be nice to have the option, but you don't get everything you want on every device you

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On Dec 1, 9:29 pm, Moandji Ezana wrote: > Apple fans: what's the rationale for disallowing SSD upgrades? > > http://www.9to5mac.com/38937/apple-makes-photofast-stop-sales-of-spee... The SSD in the new MacBook Air isn't meant to be upgraded by the user. Check the Apple manuals - the MacBook Pro o

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On Dec 1, 9:09 pm, Rob Ross wrote: (snip) > Anyone that upgrades their hard drive is voiding their warranty, although > lots of people do it. (snip) > > Rob I have to disagree; Apple have always had a policy that you can certainly change HDD as well as memory, and indeed other things, the only p

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

iPhone too has lots of such cases. Don't be blind in trusting apples security. See these http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/29/iphone_phishing_threat/ http://www.discountvouchers.co.uk/news/57853535.html http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/11/bank-apps-for-phones/ http://techcrunch.com/2010/11

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

I don't think it is a measure of the PC platform itself as I would argue the situation was the other way around in the 90's with more variety on the PC platform than the consoles. The PC market share has fallen so much since then that the variety has also suffered. If there are less Triple A titles

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On 30 November 2010 14:51, Chris Adamson wrote: > Consoles: Katamari, Bemani / music games, Zach & Wiki, Cooking Mama, > Wii Sports, the entire genre of sandbox games (GTA, etc.), > PCs: First-person shooters, RTS, first-person shooters, RTS, first- > person shooters, etc. > > That said, Flash ga

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

Consoles: Katamari, Bemani / music games, Zach & Wiki, Cooking Mama, Wii Sports, the entire genre of sandbox games (GTA, etc.), PCs: First-person shooters, RTS, first-person shooters, RTS, first- person shooters, etc. That said, Flash gaming is an interesting counterpoint. And... we've lost the t

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Chris Adamson wrote: > On Nov 30, 9:05 am, Josh Berry wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Chris Adamson wrote: >>  But I question >> whether any of them practice the level of control that Apple is >> showing here. > > I would argue they do.  In researching

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On Nov 30, 3:20 pm, Carl Jokl wrote: > The iPhone might have raised the bar in terms of User Experience but > was it worth it? The current climate does not seem progress from pre- > iPhone days when several companies divided the market between them but > no one player had the power to dominate. P

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On Nov 30, 9:05 am, Josh Berry wrote: > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Chris Adamson wrote: >  But I question > whether any of them practice the level of control that Apple is > showing here. I would argue they do. In researching my afore-linked blog, I looked up and linked to the developer s

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

This whole situation seems to have come so quickly in relative terms. Apple decides to make a phone, having at that point no market share at all. Now only a few years later it is a dominant phone platform. Now seemingly wanting not to acknowledge the existence of anything else. The iPhone might hav

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Chris Adamson wrote: > Karsten's right on this point on consoles, and it goes further than is > generally recognized. The console owners also control the > manufacturing and distribution of retail game products, and only allow > titles to remain available at retail

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

Sorry if I misunderstood you - you said: "So I'm sure that some > suitable definition of monopoly could be found if the US government > felt a > need to slap Apple on the wrist." > > Exactly! It's not anti-trust, but I do think that there's some plausible grounds available for it to be so, if ther

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

Karsten's right on this point on consoles, and it goes further than is generally recognized. The console owners also control the manufacturing and distribution of retail game products, and only allow titles to remain available at retail for a set time, before they are pulled from the market to make

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On Nov 30, 2:48 pm, Kevin Wright wrote: > People are free to agree or disagree with this model.  I only replied> > because Kevin suggested it is illegal (as in: "grounds for a > > government anti-trust investigation"). > > Not quite... I merely stated that the problem with Apple's behaviour is >

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

In the old days all cartridges were actually licensed and manufactured by Nintendo. Publishers were not able to make their carts and sell them - im not sure about the wii which is especially interesting given its a nonstandard disc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the G

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

People are free to agree or disagree with this model. I only replied > because Kevin suggested it is illegal (as in: "grounds for a > government anti-trust investigation"). > > Not quite... I merely stated that the problem with Apple's behaviour is closer in nature to an anti-trust violation than

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On Nov 30, 2:35 pm, Josh Berry wrote: > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Karsten Silz wrote: > > On Nov 30, 12:56 pm, Kevin Wright wrote: > >> Quite... The app store has a monopoly over distribution of software to iOS > >> devices.  I have no idea what definition of "monopoly" is required for >

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Karsten Silz wrote: > On Nov 30, 12:56 pm, Kevin Wright wrote: >> Quite... The app store has a monopoly over distribution of software to iOS >> devices.  I have no idea what definition of "monopoly" is required for >> anti-trust though. > > That's been the game co

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

Interesting question: would Apple block it from iBooks if they converted it to EPUB? I don't know if there are public guidelines for what they will and won't publish through that program (although, unlike the App Store, there are alternatives: Stanza, Kindle, Borders, etc.). On Nov 30, 8:15 am, CK

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On Nov 30, 2:09 pm, Kevin Wright wrote: > With Android you can create a so-called "gold card", upgrade to an unbranded > build and free yourself of carrier crapware. Oh yes, *and* you can still > install whatever apps you like on YOUR phone. You can jailbreak your iOS devices, too, and it seems l

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

> Quite... The app store has a monopoly over distribution of software to iOS > devices. Not if its a webapp. They should just put the magazine out as a PDF, Apple can't block that. I think they are wrong to block the app on that pretense. Are they going to block magazines dedicated to Flash Dev

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On 30 November 2010 13:00, Karsten Silz wrote: > On Nov 30, 12:55 pm, Russel Winder wrote: > > Microsoft may have been the Evil Empire in the past, but compare to what > > Apple are doing these days, Microsoft look like soft cutesy kittens. > > In the mobile world, you can just chose between the

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On Nov 30, 12:55 pm, Russel Winder wrote: > Microsoft may have been the Evil Empire in the past, but compare to what > Apple are doing these days, Microsoft look like soft cutesy kittens. In the mobile world, you can just chose between the "tyrants" you want to succumb to: Is it Apple who decides

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On Nov 30, 12:56 pm, Kevin Wright wrote: > Quite... The app store has a monopoly over distribution of software to iOS > devices.  I have no idea what definition of "monopoly" is required for > anti-trust though. That's been the game console model since the very beginning, and I don't think Ninten

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On Nov 29, 10:14 pm, Peter wrote: > Apple says magazines related to android not welcome in app store.  I'm > sure Steve has a reason why this is better for users... As our own Chris Adamson just posted, the iOS apps store guidelines state that mentioning competing mobile platforms in your app met

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 22:22 -0800, Nick Brown wrote: [ . . . ] > Apple may be acting in an sleazy anti-competitive manner here, but the > response from angered consumers should not be to sue them, but to > exercise the power of the free market and not buy from them or support > them by writing apps

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On 30 November 2010 10:10, Karsten Silz wrote: > On Nov 29, 10:41 pm, Kevin Wright wrote: > > Surely this is an anti-trust issue though, not one of free speech > > IANAL, but anti-trust in the U.S. means you either abuse your monopoly > position in a market (just having it isn't illegal - see th

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 23:46 +0100, Fabrizio Giudici wrote: [ . . . ] > I think that the problem is not that Apple decides what to publish to > their Store (Cedric is right, they have the right to decide), but that > the iPhone and the iPad can only install things at the Apple Store. > Nothing ne

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On Nov 29, 11:02 pm, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote: > I certainly think that Apple's move is both chilling (it makes Microsoft > look nice) and dumb (because it attracted a lot of publicity to 1) their > practices and 2) Android) but they should definitely be allowed to accept or > reject any content to be

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On Nov 29, 10:41 pm, Kevin Wright wrote: > Surely this is an anti-trust issue though, not one of free speech IANAL, but anti-trust in the U.S. means you either abuse your monopoly position in a market (just having it isn't illegal - see the Microsoft anti-trust case), or you unite with your compe

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On Nov 29, 10:23 pm, Casper Bang wrote: > Mediaprovider (the danish publisher behind the > Android magazine) will probably go to the EU citing "free speech", > teaming up with similar magazines (i.e. Ekstra Bladet here in Denmark > who had their app rejected due to page 9 and the old tradition of

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

> Not really looking at a few of the previous posts, Cedric was being a > realist while others like Kevin or Casper are fanbois who think the US > Government cares about them. US government, fanboy and my name in the same line, just doesn't add up. Care to elaborate a bit this time? Now it's the

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

Free speech means you have the right to state your opinion. It does not mean you have a right to force someone else to state your opinion (either by forcing Apple to sell your magazine or by forcing having Cedric to host signs in his yard). There is a clear distinction, as freedom of speech is a

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Lloyd Meinholz wrote: > Funny, to me it seems like people are always defending and taking sides > with Apple. > > > Not really looking at a few of the previous posts, Cedric was being a realist while others like Kevin or Casper are fanbois who think the US Governm

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

Funny, to me it seems like people are always defending and taking sides with Apple. Lloyd On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Miroslav Pokorny < miroslav.poko...@gmail.com> wrote: > Why are people here always defending or taking sides w/ Android and Google > it seems unconditionally ? > > -- > You

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

Why are people here always defending or taking sides w/ Android and Google it seems unconditionally ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this gro

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

2010/11/29 Fabrizio Giudici : > I think that the problem is not that Apple decides what to publish to their > Store (Cedric is right, they have the right to decide), but that the iPhone > and the iPad can only install things at the Apple Store. Nothing news, of > course. I agree and I don't see ho

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On 11/29/2010 11:12 PM, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote: On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Josh Berry > wrote: 2010/11/29 Cédric Beust ♔ mailto:ced...@beust.com>>: > > Free speech and free religion don't give you the right to come plant signs > on my lawn.

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Josh Berry wrote: > 2010/11/29 Cédric Beust ♔ : > > > > Free speech and free religion don't give you the right to come plant > signs > > on my lawn. > > The only qualm I have with that line on this is that the device in my > possession is not your lawn. The devi

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

> Free speech and free religion don't give you the right to come plant signs > on my lawn. I fail to see any analogy/relevance whatsoever with the topic at hand. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send emai

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

2010/11/29 Cédric Beust ♔ : > > Free speech and free religion don't give you the right to come plant signs > on my lawn. The only qualm I have with that line on this is that the device in my possession is not your lawn. If they wish to partake in practices like this, than they should be required

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Casper Bang wrote: > Perhaps badly translated on my part. In local media, it's referred to > as "religious freedom" as in, if not illegal, then there should be no > reason for disallowing other points of views. In my neck of the woods, > this is tested frequently

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

Perhaps badly translated on my part. In local media, it's referred to as "religious freedom" as in, if not illegal, then there should be no reason for disallowing other points of views. In my neck of the woods, this is tested frequently as with the Mohammed drawings a few years ago. On Nov 29, 10

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

Surely this is an anti-trust issue though, not one of free speech On 29 Nov 2010 21:26, "Cédric Beust ♔" wrote: > On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Casper Bang wrote: > >> Mediaprovider (the danish publisher behind the >> Android magazine) will probably go to the EU citing "free speech", >> > > In

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Casper Bang wrote: > Mediaprovider (the danish publisher behind the > Android magazine) will probably go to the EU citing "free speech", > In the US, free speech doesn't apply to private properties (and it's not even that free on public properties either), I'd b

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

Yup, there are actually many e-magazines, who saw iPad as a new platform, spending R&D on an app only to be told off. Having to pass Apple's arbitrary threshold of "good taste" and "in our interest" is nothing new though. Mediaprovider (the danish publisher behind the Android magazine) will probabl