On Aug 1, 9:45 pm, Brian Merrill wrote:
> I'm actually quite relieved to hear that. It's logical, of course, to
> assume that there would be Sun employed Java Linux developers, but
> whenever I come back from Java One I always tend to feel a little
> insecure in that assumption
If you get to wa
this isn't spam.. he asked. http://www.myspace.com/thewretchedvillains
i'm sure i used java for something.. i know.. it earned the money that
paid for the flyers... but that was many years ago. :)
On Aug 2, 4:45 pm, Mark Derricutt wrote:
> Doh, stupid android completion, anything online?
>
> O
Doh, stupid android completion, anything online?
On Aug 2, 2009 11:06 AM, "Christian Catchpole"
wrote:
have you heard of The Wretched Villains? I was their rhythm player
until 2003. and wrote all their good songs. :)
On Aug 2, 7:45 am, Mark Derricutt wrote: > Completely
unrelated, but last
I can't say I've heard them, anything inkiness?
On Aug 2, 2009 11:06 AM, "Christian Catchpole"
wrote:
have you heard of The Wretched Villains? I was their rhythm player
until 2003. and wrote all their good songs. :)
On Aug 2, 7:45 am, Mark Derricutt wrote: > Completely
unrelated, but last n
have you heard of The Wretched Villains? I was their rhythm player
until 2003. and wrote all their good songs. :)
On Aug 2, 7:45 am, Mark Derricutt wrote:
> Completely unrelated, but last night I was a goth club for the first
> time in many a year, and some strange pale skinned man in black wa
Completely unrelated, but last night I was a goth club for the first
time in many a year, and some strange pale skinned man in black walks
up to me at the bar and says "hey... do you code in java?"
Now it turns out this guy had been to a few Auckland JUG events and
saw me present/attend there, w
On Aug 1, 2:18 pm, Joshua Marinacci wrote:
> it would also seem logical that people who work on the gui team care a
> great deal about visuals and graphical interfaces, and so carry around
> macbooks. :)
> On Aug 1, 2009, at 12:45 PM, Brian Merrill wrote:
Wait, are you saying my awsome GTK+
On Aug 1, 7:01 am, Weiqi Gao wrote:
You make some excellent points. Let me first just say I don't intend
to diminish or suggest that Java vs Mono is inferior in any way, just
trying to make sense of Java's role and ability to succeed in a very
complex open source desktop environment in contrast
it would also seem logical that people who work on the gui team care a
great deal about visuals and graphical interfaces, and so carry around
macbooks. :)
On Aug 1, 2009, at 12:45 PM, Brian Merrill wrote:
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>
>
> On Aug 1, 6:33 am, robilad wrote:
>> On Aug 1, 11:22 am, Brian Merrill wrote:
On Aug 1, 6:33 am, robilad wrote:
> On Aug 1, 11:22 am, Brian Merrill wrote:
>
> > Does anyone at Sun even use Linux as
> > their primary development OS?
>
> Yes. I'm not alone. ;)
>
I'm actually quite relieved to hear that. It's logical, of course, to
assume that there would be Sun employed
On Aug 1, 2:33 pm, robilad wrote:
> On Aug 1, 11:22 am, Brian Merrill wrote:
> In terms of actual usage, around 6% of Ubuntu's around 1M users
> participating in popcon
Actually, it's installations rather then users - a user could have
multiple installations participating in popcon, so as I
Brian Merrill wrote:
>
> The topic at hand is Java vs Mono on the desktop.
Everyone missed the point on this. Here's what it boils down to:
1. By definition, all (true to the philosophy) Java applications run on
Linux (WORA). So there are tons of Java applications that run on Linux.
Every
On Aug 1, 11:22 am, Brian Merrill wrote:
> Does anyone at Sun even use Linux as
> their primary development OS?
Yes. I'm not alone. ;)
> This could improve Linux desktop developer
> mindshare considerably...
The data on reverse dependencies of openjdk-6-jre from Ubuntu Karmic
repositories su
Wow, what an interesting and fun thread. I'm a little horrified to
read about some of the perceptions Java developers have about Linux in
general, but that's irrelevant...
The topic at hand is Java vs Mono on the desktop. I have always been
of the opinion that Java has a great deal to offer the
Not wanting to harp on Amiga, but it was knd of unixy, but it had
no permissions, memory protection (until the CPU could support it).
It reminds of what OS X looks like today. The GUI was the priority
and power users could use a command line if they wanted to. Windows
311 wasnt even an OS.
Vince O'Sullivan wrote:
>
> Personally, I think that the greatest barrier to computing development
> has been the continuing success of 1960s operating system, Unix. It's
> a monumental barrier to entry for anyone but a geek.
I would completely disagree :-) given that the most usable operating
On 30 Jul., 02:28, Juan Marín Otero
wrote:
> Apple might do evil too, but their stuff is usually very good and "just
> works" (thanks to MS lower standards, we take what should be the default
> behavior as some sort of computing miracle).
We do? Sure, the windows architecture sucks and Microsoft
Besides all the evil practices, some of their products are simply put, a
pile of crap.
Windows Vista was a joke (not a funny one).
IIS Server is a joke.
Windows Server 2008 is a resource hog, another joke.
The list can go on and on.
So on top of those practices, you have crappy implementations
Vince O'Sullivan wrote:
> On Jul 29, 12:46 am, Christian Catchpole
> wrote:
>
>> In 1987 my Amiga outperformed PCs, could preemptively multitask and
>> had a unix like operating system.
>>
>
> Personally, I think that the greatest barrier to computing development
> has been the continuing
> It is also our job to hold the standards bodies' feet to the fire. If
> they are taking bribes, then there needs to be drastic action in that
> organization. People should be fired or organizations disbanded.
> Frankly, our biggest beef should be with them.
True! I'm curious though, what then
Dick,
I completely agree with you. It should be called out and people
should make purchasing decisions based on that.
However, my point about perspective is that Microsoft, probably, does
not see it as wrong at all. They believe in their solution (whatever
their motives) and have used under han
Java desktop apps: MATLAB, InstallAnywhere.
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Christian Catchpole wrote:
> Business is modern day warfare. So we have laws which try to keep the
> war as civilized as possible. So it's not wrong to criticize the net
> effect a business has on the wider community. If the worst a company
> can do is overcharge for me a widget that I didn't n
There are these words like "good", "evil" or "fair" which make sense
only in the context of an ethical system. Many US corporations seem to
have reduced their ethical system to a single dot point "Shareholder
value", which is nice and convenient but might not be the most
sustainable approach.
On Jul 29, 4:44 pm, "Vince O'Sullivan" wrote:
> Personally, I think that the greatest barrier to computing development
> has been the continuing success of 1960s operating system, Unix. It's
> a monumental barrier to entry for anyone but a geek. It's compounded
> by the fact that the existenc
On Jul 29, 12:46 am, Christian Catchpole
wrote:
> In 1987 my Amiga outperformed PCs, could preemptively multitask and
> had a unix like operating system.
Personally, I think that the greatest barrier to computing development
has been the continuing success of 1960s operating system, Unix. It's
Business is modern day warfare. So we have laws which try to keep the
war as civilized as possible. So it's not wrong to criticize the net
effect a business has on the wider community. If the worst a company
can do is overcharge for me a widget that I didn't need anyway, that's
one thing.
Micr
While we are on the subject of engaging in a constructive dialog, I
similarly cannot let this statement go:
"The
problem is with anyone that expects a company to act in anything other
than self interest. To expect anything different is foolish.
Frankly, what Microsoft did with ooxml is only evil
pub...@lesstroud.com wrote:
> BTW, Fabrizio,
> >From the website, blueMarine looks really nice. Is that an fx app or
> swing with a really nice l&f?
>
Swing + NetBeans Platform.
--
Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager
Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make Java work. Everywhere."
weblogs.j
BTW, Fabrizio,
>From the website, blueMarine looks really nice. Is that an fx app or
swing with a really nice l&f?
LES
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Ok, I have gotta dive into this. You are correct that Gore did not
claim to have "invented" the internet. However, he tried, in his
statement, to take credit for it's invention as a political grand
stand. He "acted stupidly". :) It was like me taking credit for
paving the roads. Yes, my money
I think some of you are just jealous because Al Gore's tube is bigger
than yours.
Adam
http://technocracycheck.blogspot.com/
On Jul 27, 3:10 pm, TorNorbye wrote:
> On Jul 27, 12:29 pm, Ryan Waterer wrote:
>
> > What Tor is saying that it is quite silly to think that Al Gore actually
> > create
Dick Wall wrote:
> OK - last word on this from me. The Microsoft is evil statement was
> directed at the loading of the ISO committee for the passing of the
> OOXML standard, the voting irregularities (payment for votes)
+1, I'm very surprised at the lack of coverage in the US where as there
has
I guess Gore could argue that without his decision, the internet would
not exist as it does today. It would have come about one way or
another, but it might not have been in the same form. I like to think
it would have evolved as a huge array or cybernetic carrier pigeons
with freakin' lasers on
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:28:03PM -0700, Dick Wall wrote:
> Incidentally - a useless piece of trivia, Margaret Thatcher is
> credited with inventing soft serve ice cream (the whirly whippy kind)
> when she worked as a chemist before becoming Prime Minister of the UK.
> http://ezinearticles.com/?A
On Jul 27, 12:29 pm, Ryan Waterer wrote:
> What Tor is saying that it is quite silly to think that Al Gore actually
> created/invented the internet.
No, that's not what I was trying to say -- I was saying it was silly
to repeat the meme that Al Gore -claimed- to have invented it.
It was used (s
What Tor is saying that it is quite silly to think that Al Gore actually
created/invented the internet. What Al Gore was trying to say (and did so
poorly in my opinion) is that he was on a committee that approved various
aspects of funding to help create the internet. While the concept was
alrea
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Fabrizio
Giudici wrote:
>
> Ryan Waterer wrote:
>> Wait a minute here!
>>
>> Tor, are you actually saying that the media(newspapers, news stations,
>> the intarwebs) might have actually made something up and reported it
>> false?
> Maybe I've got a language barrier
Getting all serious for a minute - I think the original intent in Al
Gore's line was talking about funding for the ARPAnet - the thing that
became the internet. There are lots of different ways to "create"
something, and funding is a big one, and it does look like he can back
up his claims about t
Ryan Waterer wrote:
> Wait a minute here!
>
> Tor, are you actually saying that the media(newspapers, news stations,
> the intarwebs) might have actually made something up and reported it
> false?
Maybe I've got a language barrier problem, but can somebody please
explain me which is the pract
Wait a minute here!
Tor, are you actually saying that the media(newspapers, news stations, the
intarwebs) might have actually made something up and reported it false?
--Ryan
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Chris wrote:
>
> Yea, exactly, Al Gore invented the internet. Even Tor agrees.
> >
>
Yea, exactly, Al Gore invented the internet. Even Tor agrees.
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On Jul 26, 4:37 pm, Casper Bang wrote:
> I guess I am surprised such a minor article could stir up such a fuss
> anyway, this is the inter-web - invented by Al Gore - where everyone
> can make their own truth.
I just want to point out that the "Al Gore claims to have invented the
internet" state
Dick,
As a member of 'the silent majority' I just wanted to add my
appreciation for you and the rest of the Posse.
I have only been programming in Java for a year, and I find your
podcasts an excellent resource for information, news and great
entertainment.
I am constantly scanning my news-reader
If I make a general comment about "hostile feedback", and this isn't
directed any anyone in particular.
For the 0.5% of hostile feedback you might get, there's maybe 19.5% of
people who may disagreed, but moved on. Then there's 40% of people
who agreed and the other 40% who just didn't care. :)
I'm going to add my thanks and say that if you don't enjoy doing the
podcast anymore, by all means: Stop! If you don't enjoy doing it, I
can't enjoy listening to it. That said, I really enjoyed the listener
feedback episode. ;)
Weeeweeewee
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Let me just re-iterate some of what others have said: Java Posse is an
indispensable resource for the Java community. I have found out about
many many wonderful things from Java Posse which I would have never
encountered without it (NetBeans, Scala, JavaFX to name but a few).
Please please please
OK - last word on this from me. The Microsoft is evil statement was
directed at the loading of the ISO committee for the passing of the
OOXML standard, the voting irregularities (payment for votes) that
caused Sweden to pull out of the proceedings, and the subsequent
effect on the ISO committee fr
Well if the article was altered as much as it apparently is, then
we're effectively talking about two different articles and that
renders much of the discussion pointless! In that case I see your
point and stand corrected on the comments regarding Eclipse vs.
MonoDeveloper - that's not very profes
A few comments from a humble listener from about episode 20 or so.
Dick & the rest of the Java Posse, I would like to express my gratitude for
the work you guys put out every week in your free time. It is not amateurish
at all, and provides very good information. The podcast keeps me entertained
a
OK - let's take them one by one.
On Jul 26, 11:49 am, Casper Bang wrote:
> The article (citing Ubuntu's Shuttleworth and Debian's Murdoch)
> specifically talks about nobody stepping up to work on Eclipse
> packages, evidently because more applications revolve around the Mono
> than the Java stac
The article (citing Ubuntu's Shuttleworth and Debian's Murdoch)
specifically talks about nobody stepping up to work on Eclipse
packages, evidently because more applications revolve around the Mono
than the Java stack. This would appear to hold true, certainly you all
struggle with coming up with r
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