Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Is HTML 5 here sooner than we think?

2010-05-20 Thread shainnif ismail
Well it sort of depends who has the cash -- who really cares about the 60% if they have no money or aren't going to spend it on your product. Regards Shaine On 19 May 2010 18:48, CKoerner chessm...@gmail.com wrote: Oh I don't think we should wait on those XP/IE6 companies as a developer. But

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Is HTML 5 here sooner than we think?

2010-05-20 Thread Moandji Ezana
What I'm wondering is if IE9 is a great browser, will it boost Microsoft's market share? Or was IE's earlier market share an untenable anomaly anyway, which is now sinking to a more reasonable level? Moandji -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Is HTML 5 here sooner than we think?

2010-05-20 Thread Peter Becker
I think it will highly depend on the success of Windows 7. The same effect that happened with IE6 might happen with IE8 in a corporate environment: it might be deemed good enough so there will be no business case for installing anything else. Consumers will probably be pushed ahead to IE9 by

[The Java Posse] Re: Is HTML 5 here sooner than we think?

2010-05-20 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
People who are capable of updating their own windows across major releases and more than capable of installing their own browser :) On May 20, 11:19 am, Peter Becker peter.becker...@gmail.com wrote: I think it will highly depend on the success of Windows 7. The same effect that happened with

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Is HTML 5 here sooner than we think?

2010-05-20 Thread Peter Becker
They wouldn't update their Windows either unless they have to. Chances are something will break, and I think every organization I deal with has some program testing what exactly breaks, probably since Vista came out. I suspect the IE6-8 upgrade is probably even used as an argument for the

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Is HTML 5 here sooner than we think?

2010-05-19 Thread Robert Casto
Laying this at the feet of other developers is a bit too harsh. Most developers I know would rather use the best tools there are. They don't have the freedom to choose as that rests with others. I would put the blame squarely on management as they are the decision makers. I have had to do work on

[The Java Posse] Re: Is HTML 5 here sooner than we think?

2010-05-19 Thread Vince O'Sullivan
On May 19, 7:40 am, Robert Casto casto.rob...@gmail.com wrote: Laying this at the feet of other developers is a bit too harsh. I would put the blame squarely on management as they are the decision makers. If we, as developers, simply brush off responsibility for our work and blame everyone

[The Java Posse] Re: Is HTML 5 here sooner than we think?

2010-05-19 Thread CKoerner
Maybe with Win 7 and IE9's option to not run on XP we may finally see companies moving forward technology wise. I see companies that still have XP and IE6 as their main desktop. They are more focused on doing whatever business they are doing then worrying about their technological infrastructure,

[The Java Posse] Re: Is HTML 5 here sooner than we think?

2010-05-19 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
I rather doubt that, though. If you look at the Business 2 Business world, yes, IE6 support remains a virtual invariant request. However, in the B2C world, IE6 is being abandoned _IN DROVES_. In the end it's pure business after all: You've got your IE6 user, you've got your IE-upgrading user

[The Java Posse] Re: Is HTML 5 here sooner than we think?

2010-05-19 Thread CKoerner
Oh I don't think we should wait on those XP/IE6 companies as a developer. But as a business its subjective. Cutting out 10% of your clients isn't so bad, cutting out 60% is another matter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Is HTML 5 here sooner than we think?

2010-05-19 Thread Peter Becker
I think for some context this is right. We have started reducing IE6 support in our public facing applications (i.e. we ensure you get everywhere, but don't bother too much with getting the looks right). We have even added IE6 warnings on some of the more JavaScript heavy sites -- if you get

[The Java Posse] Re: Is HTML 5 here sooner than we think?

2010-05-18 Thread CKoerner
Consider that most browsers are moving towards a automatic background upgrade scenario. Chrome has used this to achieve 90% movement of its users to newer versions of its browser. FireFox already has a pretty good user population that upgrades manually, ditto for Safari. However given Chrome's

[The Java Posse] Re: Is HTML 5 here sooner than we think?

2010-05-18 Thread Michael Neale
given IE is used heavily in corporate IT deparments (most of the hold outs for IE6 are there I bet) - they would probably have a way to turn off auto update to be under Mordac the Preventers (ITs) control. Ie they will never update it as IT departments hate talking to people lest there be some

[The Java Posse] Re: Is HTML 5 here sooner than we think?

2010-05-18 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
HTML5 is an even worse term than AJAX; it doesn't really mean what you'd think, instead it's a somewhat nebulous grab-bag of a term that generally means different things to different people. HTML5 itself is an attempt to standardize features that lack spec but that have nevertheless been

[The Java Posse] Re: Is HTML 5 here sooner than we think?

2010-05-18 Thread Vince O'Sullivan
On May 19, 2:56 am, Michael Neale michael.ne...@gmail.com wrote: This is how we got here. We're here because most developers choose to use IE6 as their benchmark for compatibility. Not surprisingly, browser compatability on their web apps is not something that most corporations regard as a core