Re: [jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development.

It was an *example*... 2008/4/10, Richard Dobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > I was talking about webdav file transfers which will not need reverse > > engineering of the closed network file transfer protocol as the > > transport can simply send the webdav uri as a plain text message to > > the co

Re: [jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development.

I was talking about webdav file transfers which will not need reverse engineering of the closed network file transfer protocol as the transport can simply send the webdav uri as a plain text message to the contact on the closed IM system. This file transfer method will be safe for protocol chang

Re: [jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development.

2008/4/10, Richard Dobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > Who said targeting tech people is a good idea? Did tech people were > > the ones that choose which closed IM system they use? Compare > > targeting tech people with Mozilla or Linux distributions before > > Ubuntu appeared and targeting Aunt Ti

Re: [jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development.

Who said targeting tech people is a good idea? Did tech people were the ones that choose which closed IM system they use? Compare targeting tech people with Mozilla or Linux distributions before Ubuntu appeared and targeting Aunt Tillies with Firefox, Ubuntu-like distributions or Eee PC with Lin

Re: [jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development.

2008/4/10, Richard Dobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Norman Rasmussen wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 12:54 AM, Sander Devrieze <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > >This is not bad. For the Aunt Tilly user using the XMPP client it > >should just work. > > > > Agre

Re: [jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development.

Norman Rasmussen wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 12:54 AM, Sander Devrieze <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: This is not bad. For the Aunt Tilly user using the XMPP client it should just work. Agreed, this is better for the Aunt Tilly scenario, but far worse for

Re: [jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development.

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 12:54 AM, Sander Devrieze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is not bad. For the Aunt Tilly user using the XMPP client it > should just work. Agreed, this is better for the Aunt Tilly scenario, but far worse for the early XMPP adopter that can't receive files from his MSN

Re: [jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development.

2008/4/9, Norman Rasmussen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Sander Devrieze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > 4) When closed network contacts try to send you a file they can get an > > unfriendly technical error message like "Your client does not support > > webdav file trans

Re: [jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development.

On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Sander Devrieze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 4) When closed network contacts try to send you a file they can get an > unfriendly technical error message like "Your client does not support > webdav file transfers. Contact for more > information." > This is bad. If

Re: [jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development.

2008/4/9, Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Jonathan Dickinson wrote: > > One of the things that makes my life easier /is/ the gateways. I work > > at a pro M$ company so they are Live Messenger through and through: > > despite my VERY BEST efforts to convert the entire company. Being >

Re: [jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development.

On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Understood. But what features do most people really use? Is it just > presence and IM (and possibly groupchat), or do most people also require > the ability for file transfers, voice calls, emoticons (etc.) to go > acro

Re: [jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development.

TANSTAAFL = Taking Another Step Toward An Awesome Full Life? On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jonathan Dickinson wrote: > > One of the things that makes my life easier /is/ the gateways. I work > > at a pro M$ company so they are Live Messenger thro

Re: [jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development.

Jonathan Dickinson wrote: > One of the things that makes my life easier /is/ the gateways. I work > at a pro M$ company so they are Live Messenger through and through: > despite my VERY BEST efforts to convert the entire company. Being > able to use MSN via Jabber has been a huge help for me, but s

Re: [jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development.

/XMPP software development list Subject: Re: [jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development. 2008/4/9, Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Daniel Henninger wrote: > >> I don't disagree from the client perspective. But my philosophy has > >> always be

Re: [jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development.

2008/4/9, Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Daniel Henninger wrote: > >> I don't disagree from the client perspective. But my philosophy has > >> always been to make XMPP as great as it can be, then everyone else will > >> eventually decide that they need to use XMPP and not some propriet

Re: [jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development.

Daniel Henninger wrote: >> I don't disagree from the client perspective. But my philosophy has >> always been to make XMPP as great as it can be, then everyone else will >> eventually decide that they need to use XMPP and not some proprietary >> garbage. > > I won't get into my diatribe about why

Re: [jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development.

Ok, I’ll believe it when I see it. Daniel On 4/8/08 5:48 PM, "Tomasz Sterna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dnia 2008-04-08, wto o godzinie 18:08 +, Daniel Henninger pisze: > I won't get into my diatribe about why I think that will never happen. People were saying the same about SMTP. You know

Re: [jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development.

Dnia 2008-04-08, wto o godzinie 18:08 +, Daniel Henninger pisze: > I won't get into my diatribe about why I think that will never happen. People were saying the same about SMTP. You know - this marginal protocol used to bridge proprietary Electronic Mail systems... -- /\_./o__ Tomasz Ster

Re: [jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development.

> I don't disagree from the client perspective. But my philosophy has > always been to make XMPP as great as it can be, then everyone else will > eventually decide that they need to use XMPP and not some proprietary > garbage. I won't get into my diatribe about why I think that will never happen.

Re: [jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development.

Sander Devrieze wrote: > 2008/4/8, Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> I am not convinced that working on transports is an >> appropriate topic for the Google Summer of Code. I plan to give my votes >> to projects that improve or extend XMPP itself, not provide bridges to >> closed technol

Re: [jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development.

2008/4/8, Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I am not convinced that working on transports is an > appropriate topic for the Google Summer of Code. I plan to give my votes > to projects that improve or extend XMPP itself, not provide bridges to > closed technologies. I do not agree on thi

Re: [jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development.

Florent wrote: > Hi all, > > I have seen this week only that James Bunton no longer wanted to continue > developing the MSN transport, since all his friends are now using Jabber. Perhaps that's a sign of the times. :) > I'm also applying for two other GSoC projects, but this one is the most > mo

Re: [jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development.

I just sent my application, I can edit it until tomorrow, and after with mentors' authorizations. >> I think the real remaining work would be to move PyMSN-t to use PEP >> for its extended presence (avatars etc.), but I'm not sure how >> interesting that is as a project. It is interesting for me

Re: [jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development.

2008/4/6, Remko Tronçon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > As far as I know, all the functionality that maps onto > jabber (avatars, chat, groupchat, chat states) is already present in > pymsn-t. Missing features: * VoIP/video: for this it is probably the best to forward to another service similar to TokBo

Re: [jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development.

Hi Florent, > After a discussion, James told me : "Your primary goal should be to update > PyMSNt to support the latest Jabber standards. This means XEP-0144 for > exchanging contacts, 172 for nicknames and > 85 for chat state notification." Well, xep-85 has been done for ages (http://el-tramo.

Re: [jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development.

2008/4/5, Norman Rasmussen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Applications close this Monday (7th) so you've still got plenty of time > :-P Yes, I'm doing it ;-) you're more than welcome to post on the py-transports list for help, and > I'll try and answer as best I can. I'd also like to see the MSN transp

Re: [jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development.

On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Florent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know I come a bit late to propose this Summer of Code subject, but trust > me I dream to do it, I have a real interest in it other than earning money > from Google. Applications close this Monday (7th) so you've still got plent

[jdev] My GSoC project : to continue the PyMSNt development.

Hi all, I have seen this week only that James Bunton no longer wanted to continue developing the MSN transport, since all his friends are now using Jabber. I'm also applying for two other GSoC projects, but this one is the most motivating for me. I have not his chance : I still have a lot of frie