I would add to your list.
Is it well documented?
Is it easy to configure?
Does it have community support? (more people that use it, more bugs get
found and fixed)
Can you get other support?
Can you find info on it and best practices with it (with books, articles,
etc.)?
Can you hire someone off th
Just thought I'd share this - former JUG Alum Erik Hatcher's Ant book
is reviewed on slashdot:
http://books.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/14/
0326206&mode=thread&tid=108
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See more below:
--- Warner Onstine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Wednesday, November 13, 2002, at 06:14 PM, Lesiecki Nicholas wrote:
>
> >
> >> Warner says:
> >> I'd prefer not to [cover EJB/CMP] for a few reasons:
> >> 1) While I know that it is a kin
> His scope was TOO BIG from
> the beginning and certainly doesn't need widening!
+1
(That's why I want to get my favorites near the top. )
> I advocate that
> we stick with the original idea (maybe even cut it down to 3 or 4)
> and save the EJB stuff for sometime later (maybe the following mont
At 08:41 PM 11/13/2002 -0700, Warner wrote:
Uncle! ;-) Ok, so the lineup will be (contingent on getting some help on
unknown frameworks + a consensus):
Castor (castor.exolab.org)
Hibernate (http://hibernate.sourceforge.net/)
Torque (jakarta.apache.org/turbine/torque)
OJB (jakarta.apache.org/ojb)
Ok,
Before we get too deep here, I would like to know if we have enough
+1's for O/R tools for the meeting:
Tim +1
Warner +1
Nick +1 (even if no EJB?)
Andy +1
Tom Hicks +1
I'll throw in Drew's +1, because he asked me about Torque a while ago,
but I don't know if he'll be able to make it and I kn
+1 for O/R tools.
I don't think EJB counts as an O/R tool, and the EJB vs. O/R tools
discussion would make a fine topic all by its self. I would especially
like to see a knowledgable proponent for each "duke" it out. Maybe we
could find an impartial (hah!) moderator.
Warner Onstine wrote:
> Ok
I would add to your list.
Is it well documented?
Is it easy to configure?
Does it have community support? (more people that use it, more bugs get
found and fixed)
Can you get other support?
Can you find info on it and best practices with it (with books, articles,
etc.)?
Can you hire someone off th
A presentation on O/R Tools sounds great. I have quite an interest in
the subject since we wrote one at AMO.
I don't have anything lined up for the December presentation, so this
sounds fantastic.
We still need a good supply of 15 min presenters though, so don't
hesitate to volunteer if you th
Simon -
> We still need a good supply of 15 min presenters though, so don't
> hesitate to volunteer if you think of something.
My offer to do a quickie preso on Thinlet.com stuff still stands if
anyone is interested.
FYI - I'm also looking into enode.com, swingml.com, and luxor...but
thinlet w
I stayed at the Vegas Hilton but I heard Luxor had a great breakfast buffet
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Simon -
> We still need a go
Tim,
That's great. You're on the list then.
So far, then, for the December presentation we have:
Short presentation- Tim speaking on Thinlets
Long presentation- Warner speaking on O/R Tools
If we get more suggestions we'll have a vote.
Simon.
Tim Colson wrote:
Simon -
We still need a go
+1 for the O/R tools comparison. I agree that adding EJB would
be too much in one presentation.
Eddie
--- Warner Onstine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok,
> Before we get too deep here, I would like to know if we have
> enough
> +1's for O/R tools for the meeting:
> Tim +1
> Warner +1
> Nick +1
Warner Onstine wrote:
A, someone from Sun on the list (hides head in shame ;-).
Actually, not just someone from Sun. Rob is the Chairman of the JCP (sm).
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I'd also just like to see the O/R tools for the presentation sans EJB.
Rene
Warner Onstine wrote:
Ok,
Before we get too deep here, I would like to know if we have enough
+1's for O/R tools for the meeting:
Tim +1
Warner +1
Nick +1 (even if no EJB?)
Andy +1
Tom Hicks +1
I'll throw in Drew's +1
Ok,
Since the general consensus is that EJB requires it's own presentation
- (BTW who did the last one and can we put a link on the site directing
people to it?) I'm going to propose the following:
Let's keep the current presentation to 4 tools (max), please vote for
your favorite.
Castor (cas
My votes ;-)
On Thursday, November 14, 2002, at 02:03 PM, Warner Onstine wrote:
Ok,
Since the general consensus is that EJB requires it's own presentation
- (BTW who did the last one and can we put a link on the site
directing people to it?) I'm going to propose the following:
Let's keep the
At 04:59 PM 11/13/2002 -0700, Warner wrote:
If this is selected as the next topic. I would like some specific
questions asked now, so I can prepare the answers for the
presentation.
1. What entity relationships does the ORMapping support?
11. one-to-one
22. one-to-may
33.
At 02:03 PM 11/14/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Let's keep the current presentation to 4 tools (max), please vote for your
favorite.
Castor (castor.exolab.org)
+1
Hibernate (http://hibernate.sourceforge.net/)
+1
Torque (jakarta.apache.org/turbine/torque)
+1
OJB (jakarta.apache.org/ojb)
+1
s/+1/+2/g
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Sick!
Shouldn't that be s/\+1/\+2/g anyway?
Mike Oliver wrote:
> s/+1/+2/g
>
> Michael Oliver
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At 02:44 PM 11/14/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Sick!
Shouldn't that be s/\+1/\+2/g anyway?
Not in VI, but maybe he was doing SED?
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> At 04:59 PM 11/13/2002 -0700, Warner wrote:
>>If this is selected as the next topic. I would like some specific
>> questions asked now, so I can prepare the answers for the
>>presentation.
>
> 1. What entity relationships does the ORMapping support?
> 11. one-to-o
That was a test, you passed...;-)
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From: Vincent Greene [mailto:Vincent.Greene@;amo.com]
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John,
Yes. Resin EE has improved.
For that matter if you compare WebLogic 6.0 from that time period when you
were working with Resin CMP to the 7.0 release of WebLogic you would
notice that WebLogic has improved too.
WebLogic works really well now. It had problems back then too.
It takes a few
True but even then weblogic had a much better community and documentation
base.
6 of one...
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EJB CMP/CMR provides OR support, and it is much more than an O/R tool.
But
Nick and I presented on EJB CMP CMR in Dec. 2001 for the Tucson JUG. Then,
Andy recently did a presentation on it (May 2002). Also, I wrote a 4 part
tutorial for IBM on it. And, I have been speaking about it at three
d
Mike Oliver wrote:
s/+1/+2/g
Mike, how come you get two votes? Are their two or you? Split
personality perhaps?
Simon.
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i agree.
resin's is good.
the question was not better, but good.
all
> True but even then weblogic had a much better community and
> documentation base.
> 6 of one...
>
>
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> From: Richard Hightower [mailto:rhightower@;learningpatterns.com]
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it has OR support
> +1 for O/R tools.
>
> I don't think EJB counts as an O/R tool, and the EJB vs. O/R tools
> discussion would make a fine topic all by its self. I would especially
> like to see a knowledgable proponent for each "duke" it out. Maybe we
> could find an impartial (hah!) moderator
On Thursday, November 14, 2002, at 03:33 PM, Richard Hightower wrote:
EJB CMP/CMR provides OR support, and it is much more than an O/R tool.
But
Nick and I presented on EJB CMP CMR in Dec. 2001 for the Tucson JUG.
Then,
Andy recently did a presentation on it (May 2002). Also, I wrote a 4
I was applying to tom's voteincrementally
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> Heat is difficult. It would take a lot to get our systems
> manager to raise the temperature of that room. And he would
> demand payment in Guinness. :)
I'd gladly pay in Guinness.
Seriously though, aren't there any conference rooms that aren't
sub-arctic that could be used? :-)
Or perhaps
Look into University of Phoenix. When I ran a group for Itasa we used a
space there
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> Heat is difficult. It would t
> Castor (castor.exolab.org)
+0
> Hibernate (http://hibernate.sourceforge.net/)
+1
> Torque (jakarta.apache.org/turbine/torque)
+1
> OJB (jakarta.apache.org/ojb)
-1
> TJDO (http://tjdo.sourceforge.net/)
-1
> My preference would be to drop TJDO and then present that
> later on it's own.
+1
OJB
Yes, we do have several conference rooms.
We used to meet in a larger room that could easily fit a hundred or more
people. But it seemed too large for our group which seems to reach a
maximum of about 25 people.
We then moved to the next smallest space. That was directly across from
where we h
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