At 07:29 PM 11/13/2002 -0800, you wrote:
See more below:

--- Warner Onstine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, November 13, 2002, at 06:14 PM, Lesiecki Nicholas wrote:
>
> >
> >> Warner says:
> >> I'd prefer not to [cover EJB/CMP] for a few reasons:
> >> 1) While I know that it is a kind of O/R it is not the kind I am
> >> interested in at the moment
> >
> > What kind are you interested in?
>
> Well, I personally have some issues with EJB ;-). If I saw a good
> presentation on it maybe I'd change my mind. But I have problems with
> any framework that requires me to create multiple files just in order
> to get some data from a database as an object.

You have a point. That's why I want to see EJB covered. Everyone I talk to
says "EJB sucks". We use it and it doesn't seem so bad. (Back me up Rick,
Andy). But I'm always interested in another better idea. So I want to see
it compared side by side to other frameworks so that I can make up my mind
a little better.
I can understand this but Warner's original idea was to cover some
of the "containerless" O/R products. His scope was TOO BIG from
the beginning and certainly doesn't need widening! I advocate that
we stick with the original idea (maybe even cut it down to 3 or 4)
and save the EJB stuff for sometime later (maybe the following month).
        -tom


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