KR> Vortex generators

2010-04-27 Thread laser...@juno.com
> "I have one of the Sam Bailey KR-1's and it does not have vortex generators." Sam Bailey built three. You've got one, another is in Sam's home town museum in Kansas, and Ken has the third. Ken put vortex generators on his and likes the benefit he gets at high angles of attack. Mike KSEE _

KR> Vortex generators

2010-04-27 Thread Marc Baca
Hey folks, I have one of the  Sam Bailey KR-1's  and it does not have vortex generators. Marc B. East Los Angeles From: "laser...@juno.com" To: kr...@mylist.net Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 3:13:33 PM Subject: KR> Vortex generators > &

KR> Vortex generators

2010-04-27 Thread laser...@juno.com
> "I don't remember ever seeing or hearing about a KR with vortex generators installed." Ken Cottle put them on his (Sam Bailey built) KR-1 and says they do a good job. I can't remember if he said he lost anything on the top end but I've heard you can expect a small amount of drag loss. Mike KS

KR> vortex gennies which make to get and best position

2010-04-27 Thread Larry&Sallie Flesner
At 03:39 AM 4/27/2010, you wrote: >been through the archives what are people using > which make and what is best position for these >phil brookman uk + I don't remember ever seeing or hearing about a KR with vortex generators inst

KR> vortex gennies which make to get and best position

2010-04-27 Thread phil brookman
been through the archives what are people using which make and what is best position for these phil brookman uk

KR> vortex generators

2009-10-13 Thread joseph lamberson
I'm still fairley new to all this, so I don't know if anyone has tried some on their wings but I see klobs running them on the horizental staiblizers even.Seems the low speed lift and handling are greatly improved.Thats just what I want a good dose of. Any expermenters? Thanks ,joseph.

KR> Vortex Generators

2009-02-02 Thread Tony Wright
The vg's on our Navajo are used for a gross weight increase. In other words, the normal PA31-350 has a max takeoff weight of 7000#. The vg's increase our t/o weight to 7368#. Our single engine roc is vastly improved over stock, as is single engine climb, vmc (minimum control seed single engi

KR> Vortex Generators

2009-02-02 Thread Larry&Sallie Flesner
>I have them on my KR-2 and here's what I got >Before the VG's we were getting @ 49.3 kts CAS early in the test flight >program at a weight of @ 975 lbs. We re-tested with the VG's and were able >to demonstrate a 44.7 kt stall at 1000 lbs. and 44.1 kt at 1130 lbs. So we >got an 5 kt improvement or

KR> Vortex Generators

2009-02-01 Thread rahu...@peoplepc.com
Message - From: "Mark" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:05 PM Subject: KR> Vortex Generators Has any thought of, or actually added, micro vortex generators to the wing of a KR? Research on my end seems to indicate that there is no impact to

KR> Vortex Generators

2009-02-01 Thread Mark
Has any thought of, or actually added, micro vortex generators to the wing of a KR? Research on my end seems to indicate that there is no impact to high speed flight, but significant improvement in low speed handling and a reduced stall speed. Anyone have any thoughts? Thanks, Mark W. N952MW (re

KR> Vortex generators

2008-10-12 Thread dr jay
Netters Maybe I'm thinking too far ahead but has anyone have any KR2 experience with vortex generators to lower stall speed? drjay - Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta.

KR> Vortex Generators

2008-10-12 Thread Matt Hurley
Hi Netters, This is my first post however I have been monitoring it for some time. I have been able to get all my queries off the archive search. I am refurbishing my KR2 at Caboolture, Australia. Most folk that frequent KRNet would have already visited my web site. I have a query regarding Vor

KR> Vortex Generators

2008-10-12 Thread Donald Reid
At 08:45 AM 7/22/2006, you wrote: >My KR2 (built by others) was fitted with heaps of VGs under the >horizontal stab, on the fuselage prior to the rudder, on the landing >gear and in front of the canopy. A previous archive search suggested >that it lowers stall speed and if placed correctly has n

KR> Vortex Generators

2008-10-12 Thread StRaNgEdAyS
om: Donald Reid List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: 07/23/06 02:22:52 To: m...@propilots.net; KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Vortex Generators At 08:45 AM 7/22/2006, you wrote: >My KR2 (built by others) was fitted with heaps of VGs under the >horizontal stab, on the fuselage prior to the rudder,

KR> Vortex Generators

2008-10-12 Thread James Ferris
gt; applied > to the placement, they are likely to be ineffective on any case. > 0.02c > Cheers. > Pete. > > ---Original Message--- > > From: Donald Reid > Date: 07/23/06 02:22:52 > To: m...@propilots.net; KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> Vortex Generators >

KR> Vortex gen

2008-10-12 Thread Colin Rainey
No but I bet these guys wanting to fly slow could really benefit from the speed reduction of their stall speed with them. I have considered testing them out on our KR, as they gauruntee them to work with no reduction in cruise speeds. I believe the Cirrus SR20 and SR22 are also using them, as

KR> Vortex gen

2008-10-12 Thread phil brookman
, December 18, 2005 2:27 AM Subject: KR> Vortex gen > No but I bet these guys wanting to fly slow could really benefit from the speed reduction of their stall speed with them. > > I have considered testing them out on our KR, as they gauruntee them to work with no reduction in cruise

KR> Vortex gen

2008-10-12 Thread Jerry Mahurin
he pond a kolb > ultrastar > seems to be doing quite well , and theyseemm to be well proven > phil > - Original Message - > From: "Colin Rainey" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 2:27 AM > Subject: KR> Vortex gen > > > > No but I bet these g

KR> Vortex gen

2008-10-12 Thread JAMES C FERRIS
> kolb > > ultrastar > > seems to be doing quite well , and theyseemm to be well proven > > phil > > - Original Message - > > From: "Colin Rainey" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 2:27 AM > > Subject: KR> Vortex ge

KR> Vortex gen

2008-10-12 Thread Brian Kraut
t.com -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of JAMES C FERRIS Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:00 PM To: kr...@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> Vortex gen Vortex generators, if located in the correct position will not decrease the cruise speed.

KR> Vortex gen

2008-10-12 Thread Brian Kraut
end it any higher. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:39 PM To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> Vortex gen I though of trying it, but

KR> Vortex gen

2008-10-12 Thread Ronald R.Eason
Where can we find a copy? "Speed with Economy" by Kent Paser. Ronald R. Eason Sr. President / CEO Ph: 816-468-4091 Fax: 816-468-5465 http://www.jrl-engineering.com Our Attitude Makes The Difference!

KR> Vortex gen

2008-10-12 Thread Dennis Mingear
You can get the book from AC Spruce, see link; http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/bv/books_reference.html This is a very well done book. Kent takes a very methodical, data driven approach to drag reduction on his M-2. The process can be applied to any plane with success. Good read. Denny ...

KR> vortex generators

2008-10-12 Thread phil brookman
ok has anyone done it , they sound good sounds a lot safer to me with them ,i will even sacrifice some spped to get the stall down and quicker t/o philtPart_000_015C_01C5631A.0104D2C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok has a

KR> vortex generators

2008-10-12 Thread Stephen Jacobs
ok has anyone done it , they sound good sounds a lot safer to me with them ,i will even sacrifice some spped to get the stall down and quicker t/o >From my experiments (PA32) you don't need to sacrifice anything. VG's can help achieve different things, do enough reading and decid

KR> vortex generators

2008-10-12 Thread Doug Rupert
Same type of setup used in many of the newer type turbo induction systems for racing applications. They are used to help insure a more complete mixture of gas and air. Doug Rupert Mike, I think the purpose of vortex generators is to "create" turblent air, hence the name. If anything, you might w

KR> vortex generators

2008-10-12 Thread idrawtobu...@ncinternet.net
Larry I remember some of the EZ pilots using the Vortex generators. I couldn't say for sure, but they seemed to place them between the Vertilons in front of the ailerons to insure that they still had control on approach and landing. I remember them saying that it helps speed up the air passing o

KR> Vortex generators

2008-10-12 Thread Colin & Bev Rainey
Vortex generators for aviation are used to prevent what is called as boundary layer separation, as Larry referred to. At high angles of attack the relative wind strikes the leading edge at a more severe angle causing it to deflect up and pass over the wing but with an increasing distance. The

KR> Vortex generators

2008-10-12 Thread Ray Fuenzalida
I hope we can discuss subjects such as this at the Gathering. Is the implication that we should all have vortex generators as it may lower stall and landing speeds? Would that make flying just a little bit safer? Some of you guys out there have a tremendous amount of knowledge. No need for all

KR> vortex generators

2008-10-12 Thread larry flesner
would it be possible to get more air in the same area by putting vortex generaters arround the inlet openings there-by smothing out turbulent air ? >Mike Turner ++ Mike, I think the

KR>Vortex Generators

2008-10-12 Thread Alexander Birca (MD/RMD)
f Of Mark Youkey Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:27 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR>Vortex Generators Rick, Perhaps you can explain the vortex generator to me. We have them on the E-3, which is a modified Boeing 707. I don't see how they would help with bugs or rain, as they are on the to

KR>Vortex Generators

2008-10-12 Thread Alexander Birca (MD/RMD)
, 2003 2:08 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Vortex Generators >Perhaps you can explain the vortex generator to me. Vortex generators prevent separation of the airflow from the wing surface by creating turbulent flow. It will help in reducing the effective stall speed for most aircraft becaus

KR>Vortex

2008-10-12 Thread Eric Evezard
Hi Netters. Two things-firstly vortex generators.My friend has them on his Quickie and they have a tremendous nuisance value.They seem to attract finger pokers,hangar rash etc.One must firstly crawl on the hangar floor picking up the little pieces and glue them back onto the wing.There are alway

KR>Vortex Generators

2008-10-12 Thread Mark Youkey
Alex, Thanks! Pictures speak a thousand words. Mark Y. - Original Message - From: "Alexander Birca (MD/RMD)" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:32 AM Subject: RE: KR>Vortex Generators > Mark, > Try for example this link:http:

KR>Vortex Generators

2008-10-12 Thread Mark Youkey
Rick, Perhaps you can explain the vortex generator to me. We have them on the E-3, which is a modified Boeing 707. I don't see how they would help with bugs or rain, as they are on the top of the wing, 3/4 of the way back from the leading edge, and outboard of the elevators. I'm not sure what t

KR>Vortex Generators

2008-10-12 Thread Dan Heath
Long EZ owners started using them on the canard because it is a laminar flow wing that looses lift when it gets contaminated with anything. Dirt, rain, bugs, anything. A friend and EZ owner was barely able to keep his nose up long enough to get it on the ground once, so he installed them and they

KR>Vortex Generators

2008-10-12 Thread larry severson
>Perhaps you can explain the vortex generator to me. Vortex generators prevent separation of the airflow from the wing surface by creating turbulent flow. It will help in reducing the effective stall speed for most aircraft because they are placed in the area in front of ailerons and flaps to

KR>Vortex Generators

2008-10-12 Thread Mark Youkey
workbut it would sure be cool. Mark Youkey myou...@cox.net Oklahoma City - Original Message - From: "larry severson" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 6:08 PM Subject: Re: KR>Vortex Generators > > >Perhaps you can explain the vortex

KR>Vortex Generators

2008-10-12 Thread Rick Wilson
Mark, Actually I should have said that vortex generators are effective on swept wings, such as the vari-eze and longeze, velocity,etc. The airflow seperates from the top of the wing more on swept wings than on straight ones. Vortex generators are like small gates or dams that make the airflow stick

KR>Vortex Generators

2008-10-12 Thread Gordon Sorensen
Hi All There seems to be a little confusion of the theory and practical use of vortex generators. Here is my 2 cents worth. A Vortex generator is a group of small tabs on the top or bottom of the wing (also used on the vertical stab on some aircraft). They are small (short) enough to

KR>Vortex Generators

2008-10-12 Thread Rick Wilson
I thought that was what I said in Alabama "hillbilly english," Rick Wilson. > Hi All > > There seems to be a little confusion of the theory > and practical use of > vortex generators. Here is my 2 cents worth. > > A Vortex generator is a group of small tabs on the > top or bottom of the

KR>Vortex Generator

2008-10-12 Thread Alexander Birca (RMD)
Hi All, James on Q-list has published his Q-2 experiments with VG's. I am wondering about, is there any KR using those small magic things? BR, Alex Birca