> "I have one of the Sam Bailey KR-1's and it does not have vortex
generators."
Sam Bailey built three. You've got one, another is in Sam's home town
museum in Kansas, and Ken has the third. Ken put vortex generators on
his and likes the benefit he gets at high angles of attack.
Mike
KSEE
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Hey folks,
I have one of the Sam Bailey KR-1's and it does not have vortex generators.
Marc B.
East Los Angeles
From: "laser...@juno.com"
To: kr...@mylist.net
Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 3:13:33 PM
Subject: KR> Vortex generators
> &
> "I don't remember ever seeing or hearing about a KR with vortex
generators installed."
Ken Cottle put them on his (Sam Bailey built) KR-1 and says they do a
good job. I can't remember if he said he lost anything on the top end
but I've heard you can expect a small amount of drag loss.
Mike
KS
At 03:39 AM 4/27/2010, you wrote:
>been through the archives what are people using
> which make and what is best position for these
>phil brookman uk
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I don't remember ever seeing or hearing about a KR with vortex
generators inst
been through the archives what are people using
which make and what is best position for these
phil brookman uk
I'm still fairley new to all this, so I don't know if anyone has tried some on
their wings but I see klobs running them on the horizental staiblizers
even.Seems the low speed lift and handling are greatly improved.Thats just what
I want a good dose of. Any expermenters? Thanks ,joseph.
The vg's on our Navajo are used for a gross weight increase. In other
words, the normal PA31-350 has a max takeoff weight of 7000#. The vg's
increase our t/o weight to 7368#. Our single engine roc is vastly improved
over stock, as is single engine climb, vmc (minimum control seed single
engi
>I have them on my KR-2 and here's what I got
>Before the VG's we were getting @ 49.3 kts CAS early in the test flight
>program at a weight of @ 975 lbs. We re-tested with the VG's and were able
>to demonstrate a 44.7 kt stall at 1000 lbs. and 44.1 kt at 1130 lbs. So we
>got an 5 kt improvement or
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From: "Mark"
To: "'KRnet'"
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:05 PM
Subject: KR> Vortex Generators
Has any thought of, or actually added, micro vortex generators to the wing
of a KR? Research on my end seems to indicate that there is no impact to
Has any thought of, or actually added, micro vortex generators to the wing
of a KR? Research on my end seems to indicate that there is no impact to
high speed flight, but significant improvement in low speed handling and a
reduced stall speed. Anyone have any thoughts?
Thanks,
Mark W.
N952MW (re
Netters
Maybe I'm thinking too far ahead but has anyone have any KR2 experience with
vortex generators to lower stall speed?
drjay
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Hi Netters,
This is my first post however I have been monitoring it for some time. I have
been able to get all my queries off the archive search. I am refurbishing my
KR2 at Caboolture, Australia.
Most folk that frequent KRNet would have already visited my web site. I have a
query regarding Vor
At 08:45 AM 7/22/2006, you wrote:
>My KR2 (built by others) was fitted with heaps of VGs under the
>horizontal stab, on the fuselage prior to the rudder, on the landing
>gear and in front of the canopy. A previous archive search suggested
>that it lowers stall speed and if placed correctly has n
om: Donald Reid
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Date: 07/23/06 02:22:52
To: m...@propilots.net; KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Vortex Generators
At 08:45 AM 7/22/2006, you wrote:
>My KR2 (built by others) was fitted with heaps of VGs under the
>horizontal stab, on the fuselage prior to the rudder,
gt; applied
> to the placement, they are likely to be ineffective on any case.
> 0.02c
> Cheers.
> Pete.
>
> ---Original Message---
>
> From: Donald Reid
> Date: 07/23/06 02:22:52
> To: m...@propilots.net; KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> Vortex Generators
>
No but I bet these guys wanting to fly slow could really benefit from the speed
reduction of their stall speed with them.
I have considered testing them out on our KR, as they gauruntee them to work
with no reduction in cruise speeds. I believe the Cirrus SR20 and SR22 are
also using them, as
, December 18, 2005 2:27 AM
Subject: KR> Vortex gen
> No but I bet these guys wanting to fly slow could really benefit from the
speed reduction of their stall speed with them.
>
> I have considered testing them out on our KR, as they gauruntee them to
work with no reduction in cruise
he pond a kolb
> ultrastar
> seems to be doing quite well , and theyseemm to be well proven
> phil
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> From: "Colin Rainey"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 2:27 AM
> Subject: KR> Vortex gen
>
>
> > No but I bet these g
> kolb
> > ultrastar
> > seems to be doing quite well , and theyseemm to be well proven
> > phil
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Colin Rainey"
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 2:27 AM
> > Subject: KR> Vortex ge
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From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
Behalf Of JAMES C FERRIS
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:00 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: Re: KR> Vortex gen
Vortex generators, if located in the correct position will not decrease
the cruise speed.
end it any
higher.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
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Behalf Of Brian Kraut
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:39 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: RE: KR> Vortex gen
I though of trying it, but
Where can we find a copy? "Speed with Economy" by Kent Paser.
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You can get the book from AC Spruce, see link;
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This is a very well done book. Kent takes a very methodical, data driven
approach to drag reduction on his M-2. The process can be applied to any plane
with success.
Good read.
Denny ...
ok has anyone done it , they sound good sounds a lot safer to me with them ,i
will even sacrifice some spped to get the stall down and quicker t/o
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ok has anyone done it , they sound good sounds a lot safer to me with
them ,i will even sacrifice some spped to get the stall down and quicker
t/o
>From my experiments (PA32) you don't need to sacrifice anything.
VG's can help achieve different things, do enough reading and decid
Same type of setup used in many of the newer type turbo induction systems
for racing applications. They are used to help insure a more complete
mixture of gas and air.
Doug Rupert
Mike,
I think the purpose of vortex generators is to "create" turblent air,
hence the name. If anything, you might w
Larry
I remember some of the EZ pilots using the Vortex generators. I couldn't
say for sure, but they seemed to place them between the Vertilons in front
of the ailerons to insure that they still had control on approach and
landing. I remember them saying that it helps speed up the air passing o
Vortex generators for aviation are used to prevent what is called as boundary
layer separation, as Larry referred to. At high angles of attack the relative
wind strikes the leading edge at a more severe angle causing it to deflect up
and pass over the wing but with an increasing distance. The
I hope we can discuss subjects such as this at the
Gathering. Is the implication that we should all have
vortex generators as it may lower stall and landing
speeds? Would that make flying just a little bit
safer? Some of you guys out there have a tremendous
amount of knowledge. No need for all
would it be possible to get more air in the same area by putting vortex
generaters arround the inlet openings there-by smothing out turbulent air ?
>Mike Turner
++
Mike,
I think the
f Of
Mark Youkey
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:27 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR>Vortex Generators
Rick,
Perhaps you can explain the vortex generator to me. We have them on the E-3,
which is a modified Boeing 707. I don't see how they would help with bugs or
rain, as they are on the to
, 2003 2:08 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR>Vortex Generators
>Perhaps you can explain the vortex generator to me.
Vortex generators prevent separation of the airflow from the wing surface
by creating turbulent flow. It will help in reducing the effective stall
speed for most aircraft becaus
Hi Netters. Two things-firstly vortex generators.My friend has them on his
Quickie and they have a tremendous nuisance value.They seem to attract finger
pokers,hangar rash etc.One must firstly crawl on the hangar floor picking up
the little pieces and glue them back onto the wing.There are alway
Alex,
Thanks! Pictures speak a thousand words.
Mark Y.
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From: "Alexander Birca (MD/RMD)"
To: "'KRnet'"
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:32 AM
Subject: RE: KR>Vortex Generators
> Mark,
> Try for example this link:http:
Rick,
Perhaps you can explain the vortex generator to me. We have them on the
E-3, which is a modified Boeing 707. I don't see how they would help with
bugs or rain, as they are on the top of the wing, 3/4 of the way back from
the leading edge, and outboard of the elevators.
I'm not sure what t
Long EZ owners started using them on the canard because it is a laminar flow
wing that looses lift when it gets contaminated with anything. Dirt, rain,
bugs, anything. A friend and EZ owner was barely able to keep his nose up
long enough to get it on the ground once, so he installed them and they
>Perhaps you can explain the vortex generator to me.
Vortex generators prevent separation of the airflow from the wing surface
by creating turbulent flow. It will help in reducing the effective stall
speed for most aircraft because they are placed in the area in front of
ailerons and flaps to
workbut it would sure be cool.
Mark Youkey
myou...@cox.net
Oklahoma City
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From: "larry severson"
To: "KRnet"
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: KR>Vortex Generators
>
> >Perhaps you can explain the vortex
Mark, Actually I should have said that vortex
generators are effective on swept wings, such as the
vari-eze and longeze, velocity,etc. The airflow
seperates from the top of the wing more on swept wings
than on straight ones. Vortex generators are like
small gates or dams that make the airflow stick
Hi All
There seems to be a little confusion of the theory and practical use of
vortex generators. Here is my 2 cents worth.
A Vortex generator is a group of small tabs on the top or bottom of the
wing (also used on the vertical stab on some aircraft). They are small
(short) enough to
I thought that was what I said in Alabama "hillbilly
english," Rick Wilson.
> Hi All
>
> There seems to be a little confusion of the theory
> and practical use of
> vortex generators. Here is my 2 cents worth.
>
> A Vortex generator is a group of small tabs on the
> top or bottom of the
Hi All,
James on Q-list has published his Q-2 experiments with VG's.
I am wondering about, is there any KR using those small magic things?
BR,
Alex Birca
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