Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-29 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Mattias Gaertner schrieb: It's sufficient to update the file on every change to the document path in the IDE Options form. The file is in svn and installed read only. Nothing that could not be changed? But my second solution looks easier to implement anyway. DoDi -- _

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-29 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 03:43:14 +0100 Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: > Mattias Gaertner schrieb: > > On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 16:42:35 +0100 > > Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: > > > >> Mattias Gaertner schrieb: > >> > >> Could we add links to local documentation, when installed on a machine? > >> [...] >

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-28 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Mattias Gaertner schrieb: On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 16:42:35 +0100 Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: Mattias Gaertner schrieb: Could we add links to local documentation, when installed on a machine? [...] I meant: What should be written in docs/index.html? A link to the local docs directory could be

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-28 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 16:42:35 +0100 Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: > Mattias Gaertner schrieb: > > Could we add links to local documentation, when installed on a machine? > [...] > > I meant: What should be written in docs/index.html? > > A link to the local docs directory could be added. > >

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-28 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Mattias Gaertner schrieb: Could we add links to local documentation, when installed on a machine? [...] I meant: What should be written in docs/index.html? A link to the local docs directory could be added. HTML files are read/write , and a unique marker in it allows to insert the link wit

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-28 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:04:04 +0100 Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: > Mattias Gaertner schrieb: > > On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 09:24:01 +0100 > > Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: > > > >> [...] > >> Could we add links to local documentation, when installed on a machine? > > > > For example? > > For when the u

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-28 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:40:25 +0100 Marco van de Voort wrote: > On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 12:25:52PM +0100, Mattias Gaertner wrote: > > > > > So I go to http://lazarus.freepascal.org/. There's no online > > > documentation. > > > > It's called "Wiki". > > Where do I select the version? So that

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-28 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Mattias Gaertner schrieb: On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 09:24:01 +0100 Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: [...] Could we add links to local documentation, when installed on a machine? For example? For when the user is e.g. offline, or has locally modified/updated the documentation. I understand that CHM

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-28 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Mattias Gaertner schrieb: Finally if the global fpdoc path is set, an unitname.xml is searched there. What's the "global fpdoc path"? I meant the IDE options. You mean the explicitly given fpdoc editor paths? [...] ToDo: implement something to use the docs of a newer Lazarus Version and

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-28 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 12:25:52PM +0100, Mattias Gaertner wrote: > > > So I go to http://lazarus.freepascal.org/. There's no online > > documentation. > > It's called "Wiki". Where do I select the version? So that I get the right help for my (slightly outdated) version? -- _

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-28 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 09:24:01 +0100 Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: >[...] > Could we add links to local documentation, when installed on a machine? For example? Mattias -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-28 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 09:18:29 +0100 Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: > Mattias Gaertner schrieb: > > >> Or the other way round: what makes the FPDoc Editor look into the right > >> directory, when no explicit path is given? > > > > The search works as following: > > First it searches for the declara

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-28 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Mattias Gaertner schrieb: On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 22:14:18 +0100 Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: Mattias Gaertner schrieb: I added a note about offline help with chmhelp and docview. Where? The default help page of the IDE. It is shown for example when you click on Help / Online Help. It simply sh

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-28 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Mattias Gaertner schrieb: Or the other way round: what makes the FPDoc Editor look into the right directory, when no explicit path is given? The search works as following: First it searches for the declaration of the identifier. Then it searches for the owner of the unit (e.g. a package) If th

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 22:14:18 +0100 Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: > Mattias Gaertner schrieb: > > >>> I added a note about offline help with chmhelp and docview. > >> Where? > > > > The default help page of the IDE. > > It is shown for example when you click on Help / Online Help. > > It simply sh

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:43:59 +0100 Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: > Mattias Gaertner schrieb: > > >> Look at the Options > FPDoc Editor page, where the user has to add the > >> search paths, and tell us what a user has to enter there. > > > > Normally: nothing. > > If you like: you can add the pa

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Mattias Gaertner schrieb: I added a note about offline help with chmhelp and docview. Where? The default help page of the IDE. It is shown for example when you click on Help / Online Help. It simply shows docs/index.html. My installation shows a local copy of that page, which obviously is

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Mattias Gaertner schrieb: Look at the Options > FPDoc Editor page, where the user has to add the search paths, and tell us what a user has to enter there. Normally: nothing. If you like: you can add the path to the fpcdocs. I already had to add several paths, to e.g. the widgetset(s) and Id

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 27 January 2012 15:13, Mattias Gaertner wrote: > It simply shows docs/index.html. OK, thanks. > But it does not mention where to get the inf files. 3rd paragraph in that page. "If you don't have DocView yet, you can compile DocView yourself from the fpGUI source code, or opt to download p

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:46:19 +0200 Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > On 27 January 2012 13:25, Mattias Gaertner wrote: > > > > I added a note about offline help with chmhelp and docview. > > Where? The default help page of the IDE. It is shown for example when you click on Help / Online Help. It simp

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 11:48:22 + Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: > Mattias Gaertner wrote: > > >> I usually build Lazarus from source, downloading from svn. Nowhere there > >> does it say anything about docs-chm, or it certainly said nothing when I > >> started working like that four or five years

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 27 January 2012 13:42, Michael Schnell wrote: > > FYI: This page is selected when starting DPDOC, but the content is not What is DPDOC? > displayed. It is only shown when clicking another chapter and then > re-cklicking the chapter. Sorry I can't reproduce it here. Would you mind sending m

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 27 January 2012 13:25, Mattias Gaertner wrote: > > I added a note about offline help with chmhelp and docview. Where? > Maybe the mainainers can give me a short sentence or link for each help > viewer. So people know where to start. Like this page for DocView... http://fpgui.sourceforge.net

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Mattias Gaertner wrote: I usually build Lazarus from source, downloading from svn. Nowhere there does it say anything about docs-chm, or it certainly said nothing when I started working like that four or five years ago. So I go to http://www.freepascal.org/ and there's online documentation,

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Michael Schnell
On 01/27/2012 11:29 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: So I opted to put a RED notice on the cover page of the ref.inf file. I see. No problem regarding we certainly will see improvements when your IPF compiler is ready. Regarding visibility of the red text see my other mail. -Michael -- _

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Michael Schnell
On 01/27/2012 11:04 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: (the text in RED on the cover page). FYI: This page is selected when starting DPDOC, but the content is not displayed. It is only shown when clicking another chapter and then re-cklicking the chapter. Maybe easy to be improved... -Michael -

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 12:11:19 +0100 Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: > Mattias Gaertner schrieb: > > On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 04:44:09 +0100 > > Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: > > > >> Mattias Gaertner schrieb: > >> > Most users must feel like idiots, when they are unable to figure out > [...] for

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Michael Schnell
On 01/27/2012 12:13 PM, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: Did you have a look at examples/FPDocManager? This does not seem to make sense for me until I know a proven method to generate the data for some help viewer, integrated in the IDE, that works on the combined information of current stuff and n

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:59:23 + Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: > Marco van de Voort wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 07:52:04PM +, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: > blessed with variable network latency. And it's absolutely no substitute > for the context-sensitive help offered by most IDE

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Mattias Gaertner schrieb: On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 04:44:09 +0100 Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: Mattias Gaertner schrieb: Most users must feel like idiots, when they are unable to figure out [...] for the configuration of the FPDoc Editor. What do you mean? There are only search paths. And the "C

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Schnell schrieb: I understand that on top of generating the dedicated help files from the current sources, for this it is necessary to generate combined CHM files or multiple inf-Files for DocView. This needs to be included in the "idiot's guide". Did you have a look at examples/FPD

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 27 January 2012 12:13, Michael Schnell wrote: > >> A known problem, and you would have know about this too if you opened >> the ref.inf file on it's own - the first help topic explains this (the >> text in RED on the cover page). Please note I did not mean this rude. You did use DocView via ID

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Michael Schnell
On 01/27/2012 11:04 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: A known problem, and you would have know about this too if you opened the ref.inf file on it's own - the first help topic explains this (the text in RED on the cover page). Wow ! UTF sucks whenever you come across it :( . The fix: --- In th

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 27 January 2012 11:45, Michael Schnell wrote: > > Yep and with your manual conversion "array" does provide a DocView context > help. but... (see attached picture) A known problem, and you would have know about this too if you opened the ref.inf file on it's own - the first help topic explains

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Marco van de Voort wrote: On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 07:52:04PM +, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: blessed with variable network latency. And it's absolutely no substitute for the context-sensitive help offered by most IDEs. Lazarus and the textmode IDE both provide context sensitive help. (CHM based

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Michael Schnell
On 01/26/2012 06:53 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 26 January 2012 18:05, Michael Schnell wrote: discussed was _language_ help rather than LCL herl (such as "for", "in", "array", "class", ...) That's exactly what the "Free Pascal Language Reference" document describes. You really should vis

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 10:22:49 +0100 Marco van de Voort wrote: > On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 07:52:04PM +, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: > > >> blessed with variable network latency. And it's absolutely no substitute > > >> for the context-sensitive help offered by most IDEs. > > > > > > Lazarus and t

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 27 January 2012 11:38, Michael Schnell wrote: > > Do you mean this ? > > http://mantis.freepascal.org/view.php?id=20318 No, it was long before that. -- Regards,   - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://fpgui.sou

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Michael Schnell
On 01/26/2012 06:26 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Michael, can you remember? Do you mean this ? http://mantis.freepascal.org/view.php?id=20318 -Michael -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepasca

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 09:16:14PM +0100, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: > >> know, Lazarus doesn't support WinHelp format, but maybe a similar > >> trick can be applied as was done for HyperHelp. > > > > Winhelp is RTF based. > > That should not be a problem, IMO nowadays HTML with CSS offers the s

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 27 January 2012 11:20, Michael Schnell wrote: > Nonetheless if it would be possible top convert the Kylix (or Turbo Delphi) > files, this might be useful, to. Not by me, because they are probably all copyright by Borland / Embarcadero. And as I said before, the FPC docs are great already - so

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 07:52:04PM +, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: > >> blessed with variable network latency. And it's absolutely no substitute > >> for the context-sensitive help offered by most IDEs. > > > > Lazarus and the textmode IDE both provide context sensitive help. (CHM > > based) > >

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Michael Schnell
On 01/26/2012 06:38 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: INF versions http://sourceforge.net/projects/fpgui/files/fpGUI/Documentation/ OK. I downloaded the zip files, located the newest versions (in docs_2011.zip) and created symlinks to have DocView find them. Nearly completed Language Ref - tha

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 04:44:09 +0100 Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: > Mattias Gaertner schrieb: > > >> Most users must feel like idiots, when they are unable to figure out [...] > >> for the configuration of the FPDoc Editor. > > > > What do you mean? > > There are only search paths. And the "Creat

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Michael Schnell
On 01/26/2012 08:23 PM, Sven Barth wrote: You are aware that Lazarus also supports offline help? Yep. The discussion is on how to generate the offline help from the current svn sources and on the features of the help viewer (IDE or external tool). -Michael -- __

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Michael Schnell
On 01/27/2012 12:07 AM, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: Creating own helpfiles is a secret, too :-( Good point. The script provided by the "idiot's guide" should be extendable for additional sources. Of course for this it the guide needs to provide documentation on the format of the help sources.

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-27 Thread Michael Schnell
On 01/26/2012 08:52 PM, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: where's the idiot's guide to getting the up-to-date files and putting them where... Regarding that it's me who is the said idiot (or the advocate for the idiotic users), I'd like to add, that the end result should be to allow the idiots to push F

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Mattias Gaertner schrieb: Most users must feel like idiots, when they are unable to figure out [...] for the configuration of the FPDoc Editor. What do you mean? There are only search paths. And the "Create" button even create those for you. Which "Create" button? DoDi -- ___

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:07:08 +0100 Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: > Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: >[...] > Most users must feel like idiots, when they are unable to figure out [...] > for the configuration of the FPDoc Editor. What do you mean? There are only search paths. And the "Create" button e

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: Right. So as I said earlier: where's the idiot's guide to getting the up-to-date files and putting them where they'll do most good, You mean to say that there actually are idiots using Lazarus ? ;-) Most users must feel like idiots, when they are unable to figur

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Marco van de Voort schrieb: And as far as I know, Lazarus doesn't support WinHelp format, but maybe a similar trick can be applied as was done for HyperHelp. Winhelp is RTF based. That should not be a problem, IMO nowadays HTML with CSS offers the same support - except for platform specifi

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: Marco van de Voort wrote: On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 06:21:29PM +, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: I'd suggest that having online documentation, while essential, is hardly a substitute for being able to access it from the IDE when offline or blessed w

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Marco van de Voort wrote: On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 06:21:29PM +, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: I'd suggest that having online documentation, while essential, is hardly a substitute for being able to access it from the IDE when offline or blessed with variable network latency. And it's absolutely

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Sven Barth
Am 26.01.2012 19:21 schrieb "Mark Morgan Lloyd" < markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk>: > > michael.vancann...@wisa.be wrote: >> >> On Thu, 26 Jan 2012, Michael Schnell wrote: >> >>> On 01/26/2012 04:35 PM, Sven Barth wrote: What do you have against FPC's language help? It's rather compl

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 07:38:19PM +0200, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > http://www.freepascal.org/docs.var > > CHM versions >Macro posts a link every now and again in the mailing lists That's the snapshot. I usually post it to lazarus lists since it also contains LCL docs. The formal release

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 06:21:29PM +, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: > > I'd suggest that having online documentation, while essential, is hardly > a substitute for being able to access it from the IDE when offline or > blessed with variable network latency. And it's absolutely no substitute > fo

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
michael.vancann...@wisa.be wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2012, Michael Schnell wrote: On 01/26/2012 04:35 PM, Sven Barth wrote: What do you have against FPC's language help? It's rather complete and if something is wrong or missing Michael is usually fast in fixing it if you tell him. I was not a

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 26 January 2012 18:05, Michael Schnell wrote: > discussed was _language_ help rather than LCL herl (such as "for", "in", > "array", "class", ...) That's exactly what the "Free Pascal Language Reference" document describes. You really should visit the Free Pascal website. :) -- Regards,

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 26 January 2012 19:08, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: > On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys > wrote: >> Then view something like >> http://lazarus-ccr.sourceforge.net/docs/lcl/spin/tspinedit.html >> The unit might have a description, but the TSpinEdit class has only >> one p

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
[oops, the reply went directly to Michael Schnell for some reason] -- Forwarded message -- From: Graeme Geldenhuys Date: 26 January 2012 19:43 Subject: Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL? To: Michael Schnell On 26 January 2012 18:01, Michael Schnell wrote: > > It would be great

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 26 January 2012 17:55, Michael Schnell wrote: > On 01/26/2012 04:35 PM, Sven Barth wrote: >> >> >> What do you have against FPC's language help? It's rather complete and if >> something is wrong or missing Michael is usually fast in fixing it if you >> tell him. >> > I was not aware that it doe

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 26 January 2012 17:35, Sven Barth wrote: > > What do you have against FPC's language help? It's rather complete and if > something is wrong or missing Michael is usually fast in fixing it if you > tell him. I agree, the FPC documentation is very good. There are some topics that could still be

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 26 January 2012 17:06, Mattias Gaertner wrote: > > That's because fpdoc does not automatically use/link the documentation of > the inherited/ancestor identifier. Ah, ok. > @Michael: Is that feature planned or should links be set manually in all > elements? I actually implemented that some t

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > Then view something like > http://lazarus-ccr.sourceforge.net/docs/lcl/spin/tspinedit.html > The unit might have a description, but the TSpinEdit class has only > one property with a description. The other 35 properties have nothing. Thi

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Mattias Gaertner
michael.vancann...@wisa.be hat am 26. Januar 2012 um 17:17 geschrieben: > > > On Thu, 26 Jan 2012, Michael Schnell wrote: > > > On 01/26/2012 04:35 PM, Sven Barth wrote: > >> > >> What do you have against FPC's language help? It's rather complete and if > >> something is wrong or missing Michael

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread michael . vancanneyt
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012, Michael Schnell wrote: On 01/26/2012 04:35 PM, Sven Barth wrote: What do you have against FPC's language help? It's rather complete and if something is wrong or missing Michael is usually fast in fixing it if you tell him. I was not aware that it does exist, as I was

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Michael Schnell
On 01/26/2012 03:26 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 26 January 2012 16:16, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: Where are the concrete examples of concrete classes / units? Viewhttp://lazarus-ccr.sourceforge.net/docs/lcl/index.html While I suppose this is the right answer to the question, previo

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Michael Schnell
On 01/26/2012 12:03 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: But, I'll pull another update and regenerate the docs to compare. It would be great if we were able to regenerate all the the (Docview-) help files ourselves using a procedure for dummies. Thanks, -Michael -- _

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Michael Schnell
On 01/26/2012 04:35 PM, Sven Barth wrote: What do you have against FPC's language help? It's rather complete and if something is wrong or missing Michael is usually fast in fixing it if you tell him. I was not aware that it does exist, as I was not yet able to see it and not knowing about i

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Sven Barth
Am 26.01.2012 13:30, schrieb Michael Schnell: On 01/26/2012 12:01 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/docview_ide_integration.shtml Of course I do know how to integrate DocView in the IDE. and already did this for the Lazarus IDE. It works just fine. The question was if/h

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Mattias Gaertner
Graeme Geldenhuys hat am 26. Januar 2012 um 15:26 geschrieben: > On 26 January 2012 16:16, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: > > > > Where are the concrete examples > > of concrete classes / units? > > View http://lazarus-ccr.sourceforge.net/docs/lcl/index.html > > There are still quite a few

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 26 January 2012 16:16, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: > > Where are the concrete examples > of concrete classes / units? View http://lazarus-ccr.sourceforge.net/docs/lcl/index.html There are still quite a few units even without descriptions. Then view something like http://lazarus-ccr.so

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 26 January 2012 15:37, Marco van de Voort wrote: >> I think what he meant was, having the ability of reusing the Kylix >> help files, while Lazarus seriously lacks good / any documentation for >> the LCL. > > Maybe. But this should not be recommended. It is escapism (and of legal > uncertainty)

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > So how much has changed since 1-2 months ago, when I last looked at > it? Then most units, class and methods still missed a crap load of > docs. It is easy to drop generic comments. Where are the concrete examples of concrete classes /

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 11:32:13PM +0200, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > > Why not simply use the CHM help? > > I think what he meant was, having the ability of reusing the Kylix > help files, while Lazarus seriously lacks good / any documentation for > the LCL. Maybe. But this should not be recommen

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Mattias Gaertner wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:20:10 +0100 Michael Schnell wrote: On 01/25/2012 10:36 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: I don't know how much help CLX or VCL help files would really be to a LCL developer. That is obviously a valid point, but when I started this subthread I was s

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Michael Schnell
On 01/26/2012 12:01 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/docview_ide_integration.shtml Of course I do know how to integrate DocView in the IDE. and already did this for the Lazarus IDE. It works just fine. The question was if/how it (or another help viewer) can display Lan

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Michael Schnell
Sorry :( Thanks, -Michael -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 26 January 2012 10:38, Michael Schnell wrote: > (Concentrating (with low priority) on trying to compile the fpDOC help from > the latest sources, I never tried to do this for the CHM help, assuming the > result would be very similar, while fpDOC offers better search features. In > fact there se

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 26 January 2012 10:27, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: > > Your information is seriously outdated, the LCL documentation is not > nearly as incomplete as you say it is. So how much has changed since 1-2 months ago, when I last looked at it? Then most units, class and methods still missed a

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 26 January 2012 10:20, Michael Schnell wrote: > > The Delphi help offers with nice hints for the language itself including > context sensitive "F1" on language keywords like "array" or "class" or > "override" and such. I have already had this ability for years with DocView and INF help files.

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Michael Schnell
On 01/25/2012 10:32 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: In the case of Delphi 7 help, there is no "Open Edition" of Delphi, In fact there was "Turbo Delphi" that came for free with a 100 Year license, but AFAIK, the download has been removed from the official website. -Michael -- _

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Michael Schnell
On 01/26/2012 09:25 AM, Mattias Gaertner wrote: The Delphi help offers with nice hints for the language itself including context sensitive "F1" on language keywords like "array" or "class" or "override" and such. That was added some months ago for the chm help. Nice ! What exactly is "That"

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > I think what he meant was, having the ability of reusing the Kylix > help files, while Lazarus seriously lacks good / any documentation for > the LCL. Reading the recent message > threads, it seems they can't even agree how to compil

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:20:10 +0100 Michael Schnell wrote: > On 01/25/2012 10:36 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > > I don't know how much help CLX or VCL help files would really be to a > > LCL developer. > > The Delphi help offers with nice hints for the language itself including > context sensi

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-26 Thread Michael Schnell
On 01/25/2012 10:36 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: I don't know how much help CLX or VCL help files would really be to a LCL developer. The Delphi help offers with nice hints for the language itself including context sensitive "F1" on language keywords like "array" or "class" or "override" and

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-25 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 25 January 2012 11:10, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: > But what that means is that anybody wanting to refer to the Kylix helpfiles > on a non-x86 system will have problems. And as I mentioned in another post, I don't know how much help CLX or VCL help files would really be to a LCL developer. LCL d

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-25 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 25 January 2012 16:03, Marco van de Voort wrote: > > Why not simply use the CHM help? I think what he meant was, having the ability of reusing the Kylix help files, while Lazarus seriously lacks good / any documentation for the LCL. In the mean time, Lazarus developers could "piggy back" on th

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-25 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 04:11:00PM +, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: > > http://opensoft.homeip.net:8080/wiki/wiki.cgi?p=kylix-3-open-edition > > HyperHelp runs fine under 64-bit linux too (that is what I currently > > use). > > Yes, but the point I'm trying to make is that those files are > eff

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-25 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: >> On 24 January 2012 18:11, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: >> Yes, but the point I'm trying to make is that those files are >> effectively locked out now for anybody unable to run HyperHelp, >> e.g. because they're not> running on x86. > > True, it is x86 and x86-64 only. But

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-25 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 24 January 2012 18:11, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: > Yes, but the point I'm trying to make is that those files are effectively > locked out now for anybody unable to run HyperHelp, e.g. because they're not > running on x86. True, it is x86 and x86-64 only. But to be fair, Kylix was only released f

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-24 Thread Sven Barth
On 24.01.2012 16:18, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 23 January 2012 14:10, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Adding_Kylix_Help there is a description of adding helpfiles from Kylix to Lazarus, using HyperHelp. If I understand things correctly, HyperHelp is closed-source,

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-24 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > HyperHelp is a help viewer licensed by Borland to ship with Kylix. > Theoriginal creators of HyperHelp has long gone out of business. The > helpformat is proprietary too (it is not the same as WinHelp), but you > canget a copy of the Kylix 3 help (which is on par with D

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-24 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 23 January 2012 14:10, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: > http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Adding_Kylix_Help there is a description > of adding helpfiles from Kylix to Lazarus, using HyperHelp. > > If I understand things correctly, HyperHelp is closed-source, unmaintained, > and available for x86 Linu

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-23 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
michael.vancann...@wisa.be schrieb: The projects will be added to FPC as soon as the recent fpdoc changes have been merged to the fixes branch and the Makefile can be adapted to use the project file. Rationale for this wait: The docs are not in branches, this means that the Makefile must be

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-23 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: Mark Morgan Lloyd schrieb: If I understand things correctly, HyperHelp is closed-source, unmaintained, and available for x86 Linux only. Is there an alternative for other platforms such as Solaris or non-x86? At the time of Win3.0 I wrote an decompiler and viewer

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-23 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Mark Morgan Lloyd schrieb: If I understand things correctly, HyperHelp is closed-source, unmaintained, and available for x86 Linux only. Is there an alternative for other platforms such as Solaris or non-x86? At the time of Win3.0 I wrote an decompiler and viewer for WinHelp files, most prob

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-23 Thread Michael Schnell
On 01/23/2012 12:58 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: I'm not sure if you can follow instructions or not, but I give up trying to help you with that! Graeme, I'm thankful for your effort to help me on that issue. And the recent message was (and the current one is) not meant to push you in any way.

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-23 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 23 January 2012 11:31, Michael Schnell wrote:>> This is why I (rather unsuccessfully) tried to switch to DocView. I'm not sure if you can follow instructions or not, but I give uptrying to help you with that! Graeme, I wonder if I could ask one thing which is tange

Re: [Lazarus] Help on FCL?

2012-01-23 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 23 January 2012 11:31, Michael Schnell wrote: > > This is why I (rather unsuccessfully) tried to switch to DocView. I'm not sure if you can follow instructions or not, but I give up trying to help you with that! -- Regards,   - Graeme - ___ fpGUI

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