Re: [Leaf-devel] More on dates

2002-02-08 Thread Michael D. Schleif
David Douthitt wrote: > > On 2/8/02 at 5:23 AM, Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > At 2002-02-08 00:43 -0600, David Douthitt wrote: > > > > >So how important is setting the time/date with date? Is rdate > > >(or ntpclient) enough? > > > I think it's important to have the correc

Re: [Leaf-devel] Preferred package/filesystem location ???

2002-02-08 Thread Michael D. Schleif
David Douthitt wrote: > > On 2/8/02 at 1:08 PM, Michael D. Schleif <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hence, my interest in filesystem and file location standards . . . > > This is exactly the reason for the restrictive djbtools license - he > wants his code to be in EXACTLY the SAME place in E

Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: ADM Write Protect

2002-02-08 Thread guitarlynn
OK, a little back-ground on me, so maybe this makes a little more sense to follow. I have had 3 years of electronics schooling, a little over 2 years of Electrical engineering, and been a licensed electrician for around 4 years after a 5 year apprenticeship with specialties in digital control des

Re: [Leaf-devel] More on dates

2002-02-08 Thread David Douthitt
On 2/8/02 at 5:23 AM, Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 2002-02-08 00:43 -0600, David Douthitt wrote: > > >So how important is setting the time/date with date? Is rdate > >(or ntpclient) enough? > I think it's important to have the correct date. My ISP > NOC wont accept abuse repo

Re: [Leaf-devel] Preferred package/filesystem location ???

2002-02-08 Thread David Douthitt
On 2/8/02 at 1:08 PM, Michael D. Schleif <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hence, my interest in filesystem and file location standards . . . This is exactly the reason for the restrictive djbtools license - he wants his code to be in EXACTLY the SAME place in EVERY SYSTEM, and wants his code to wor

Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: ADM Write Protect

2002-02-08 Thread Matt Schalit
Mike Noyes wrote: > Matt, > You're assuming that I understood what the SST engineer was telling me, and > that I was able to express it correctly in my post. Neither of these things > is guaranteed, as I know next to nothing about electrical engineering. No problemo. We'll get it figured out s

Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: ADM Write Protect

2002-02-08 Thread Matt Schalit
guitarlynn wrote: > > On Friday 08 February 2002 22:00, Matt Schalit wrote: > > > ATA-Disk module (ADM) and it's write-protect features: > > > > >Here is the 40pin 5V ADM schematic. This is using the LD017 > > > > >controller. In the schematic R8 is used as an option for WP. > > > > I think this

Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: ADM Write Protect

2002-02-08 Thread Mike Noyes
At 2002-02-08 20:14 -0800, Matt Schalit wrote: >On the other hand, the tech told Mike the following: > > > I just got off the phone with one of the tech support > > guys at SST. He sent me the schematic for the ADM device. They > > placed a resister R-8 on the ADM that can be shunted to ground to

Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: ADM Write Protect

2002-02-08 Thread guitarlynn
On Friday 08 February 2002 22:00, Matt Schalit wrote: > > ATA-Disk module (ADM) and it's write-protect features: > > > >Here is the 40pin 5V ADM schematic. This is using the LD017 > > > >controller. In the schematic R8 is used as an option for WP. > > I think this is the crux. It's being used.

Re: [Leaf-devel] Possible virus?

2002-02-08 Thread Matt Schalit
Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > > > > I'm currently trying to verify this, and track down exactly what the > > > Obsidian virus is supposed to do. If anyone has any information on this > > > virus, or can help verify the file is/is not infected, I would greatly > > > appreciate it. Ok I scanned

Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: ADM Write Protect

2002-02-08 Thread Matt Schalit
Sorry to resend this. I sent it before I was done accidentally Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > > Mike Noyes got the sst guys to send a schematic and some details about their > ATA-Disk module (ADM) and it's write-protect features: > >

Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: ADM Write Protect

2002-02-08 Thread Matt Schalit
Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > > Mike Noyes got the sst guys to send a schematic and some details about their > ATA-Disk module (ADM) and it's write-protect features: > > > >Here is the 40pin 5V ADM schematic. This is using the LD017 > > >controller. In the schematic R8 is used as an option fo

Re: [Leaf-devel] CF (write protect) + IDE adapter

2002-02-08 Thread Matt Schalit
Matt Schalit wrote: > How about this one, Mike? It has write protect: Some older mainboards had a certain BIOS Security menu with a Write Protect All Sectors option to write protect the whole ide drive. For example, the AOpen DX6G. In addition to that, a Fujitsu IDE drive and a Micropolis d

Re: [Leaf-devel] CF (write protect) + IDE adapter

2002-02-08 Thread Matt Schalit
Matt Schalit wrote: > > How about this one, Mike? It has write protect: And then there's Mite-Pc: http://www.iptel-now.de/HOWTO/MITE-PC/mite-pc.html Pretty neat. Matt ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/list

Re: [Leaf-devel] CF (write protect) + IDE adapter

2002-02-08 Thread Matt Schalit
Matt Schalit wrote: > How about this one, Mike? It has write protect: http://www.m-sys.com/files/dataSheets/ffd/FFD_IDE_250_Spec.pdf ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel

[Leaf-devel] Software write-protect

2002-02-08 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
> What if during the initial boot process you mount your hard disk as a > read-only device then delete the mount command? Would this be sufficient > protection for a HD? (i.e. Is there any other program that could be used > to remount the HD?) > > Saving config changes could be handled by mounting

Re: [Leaf-devel] CF (write protect) + IDE adapter

2002-02-08 Thread arne @ loopback . org
On Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 02:57:44PM -0800, Mike Sensney wrote: > At 09:29 AM 2/8/2002 -0600, guitarlynn wrote: > ... > >In other words, how many folks have said: "Can I run LEAF on a > >harddrive (IDE)". We say, "you can, but it is a security risk compared > >to a floppy". What would it mean to be

Re: [Leaf-devel] CF (write protect) + IDE adapter

2002-02-08 Thread Mike Sensney
At 09:29 AM 2/8/2002 -0600, guitarlynn wrote: ... >In other words, how many folks have said: "Can I run LEAF on a >harddrive (IDE)". We say, "you can, but it is a security risk compared >to a floppy". What would it mean to be able to say: "You can use a hd, >but if you want it as secure as the flo

[Leaf-devel] Re: ADM Write Protect

2002-02-08 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
Mike Noyes got the sst guys to send a schematic and some details about their ATA-Disk module (ADM) and it's write-protect features: > Fwd: FW: LD017 SADM sch > >From: Tanvir Sadique <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: FW: LD017 SADM sch > >Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:44:02 -0800

Re: [Leaf-devel] Possible virus?

2002-02-08 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
> > I'm currently trying to verify this, and track down exactly what the > > Obsidian virus is supposed to do. If anyone has any information on this > > virus, or can help verify the file is/is not infected, I would greatly > > appreciate it. > > I can't test the file because I can't find it. > W

Re: [Leaf-devel] How to gzip *only* a new application's files ???

2002-02-08 Thread Michael D. Schleif
Matt Schalit wrote: > > And remember, mds, there's: > > make -n install > > to output the commands but not execute them. Cool! I didn't know that one . . . -- Best Regards, mds mds resource 888.250.3987 Dare to fix things before they break . . . Our capacity for understanding is

Re: [Leaf-devel] How to gzip *only* a new application's files ???

2002-02-08 Thread Matt Schalit
And remember, mds, there's: make -n install to output the commands but not execute them. Matt ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel

[Leaf-devel] Re: Preferred package/filesystem location ???

2002-02-08 Thread Serge Caron
>Message: 7 >Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 19:32:40 -0600 >From: "Michael D. Schleif" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Organization: mds resource >To: LEAF-dev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [Leaf-devel] Preferred package/filesystem location ??? > >Is there some kind of standard whereby,

Re: [Leaf-devel] CF (write protect) + IDE adapter

2002-02-08 Thread Matt Schalit
Mike Noyes wrote: > > At 2002-02-08 12:57 -0600, guitarlynn wrote: > >On Friday 08 February 2002 13:00, Mike Noyes wrote: > > > Lynn, > > > You're not wrong. I just got off the phone with one of the tech > > > support guys at SST. He sent me the schematic for the ADM device. > > > They placed a r

Re: [Leaf-devel] CF (write protect) + IDE adapter

2002-02-08 Thread guitarlynn
On Friday 08 February 2002 13:10, Mike Noyes wrote: > Lynn, > Do you already have one of the ATA-Disk Modules? If so, where did > you get it, and what did you pay for it? No, Mike, I don't have one your not grasping the scope I see here. I just tried it, but it doesn't work as expected ...

Re: [Leaf-devel] CF (write protect) + IDE adapter

2002-02-08 Thread Matt Schalit
guitarlynn wrote: > > On Friday 08 February 2002 08:39, Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > > Um...you won't find any standard motherboards that support the usage > > of pin 30 for write-protect, and even if you could, it would probably > > be controlled by software, not a switch, which kind of defeats

Re: [Leaf-devel] Preferred package/filesystem location ???

2002-02-08 Thread Jack Coates
On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Matt Schalit wrote: > Jack Coates wrote: > > > > > Hm, so the backup process checks the list files of all other .lrps? > > Yup. That's how it works. Include everything listed in the .list > while excluding everything listed in every other .list. Creative > things like this k

Re: [Leaf-devel] CF (write protect) + IDE adapter

2002-02-08 Thread Mike Noyes
At 2002-02-08 12:57 -0600, guitarlynn wrote: >On Friday 08 February 2002 13:00, Mike Noyes wrote: > > Lynn, > > You're not wrong. I just got off the phone with one of the tech > > support guys at SST. He sent me the schematic for the ADM device. > > They placed a resister R-8 on the ADM that can b

Re: [Leaf-devel] CF (write protect) + IDE adapter

2002-02-08 Thread guitarlynn
On Friday 08 February 2002 13:00, Mike Noyes wrote: > Lynn, > You're not wrong. I just got off the phone with one of the tech > support guys at SST. He sent me the schematic for the ADM device. > They placed a resister R-8 on the ADM that can be shunted to ground > to enable WP. He said this will

Re: [Leaf-devel] Preferred package/filesystem location ???

2002-02-08 Thread Michael D. Schleif
Matt Schalit wrote: > > Jack Coates wrote: > > > > > Hm, so the backup process checks the list files of all other .lrps? > > Yup. That's how it works. Include everything listed in the .list > while excluding everything listed in every other .list. Creative > things like this keep LEAF intere

Re: [Leaf-devel] Preferred package/filesystem location ???

2002-02-08 Thread Matt Schalit
Jack Coates wrote: > > Hm, so the backup process checks the list files of all other .lrps? Yup. That's how it works. Include everything listed in the .list while excluding everything listed in every other .list. Creative things like this keep LEAF interesting. I'm pretty certain that's how

RE: [Leaf-devel] More on dates

2002-02-08 Thread Richard Doyle
> I figured out some of the confusion I was seeing: > 6) There is a NTP client - ntpclient appropriately - which > could replace rdate, if it is small enough... On my system, ntpclient is 12320 bytes compiled under uClibc (0.9.9+), 6474 bytes zipped at maximum compression. > David Douthitt >

Re: [Leaf-devel] CF (write protect) + IDE adapter

2002-02-08 Thread Mike Noyes
At 2002-02-08 11:51 -0600, guitarlynn wrote: >On Friday 08 February 2002 10:52, Mike Noyes wrote: > > If I understand you correctly, you believe Apacer was telling > > Stefaan that Host Selectable (Close 2,3) mode wasn't supported, not > > that Connect to Ground (Close 1,2) didn't work. Since ther

[Leaf-devel] /. link about runlevel 0 firewall

2002-02-08 Thread Jack Coates
I don't like to forward links, but this is a nifty idea. http://www.samag.com/documents/s=1824/sam0201d/0201d.htm Basically, it's possible to alter the shutdown process so that the NICs remain active, the kernel remains loaded, and it continues to pass traffic with no userspace processes. Obviou

Re: [Leaf-devel] Possible virus?

2002-02-08 Thread Matt Schalit
Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > > I have been informed that Panda Antyvirus Platinum on Windows XP reports > that the file /usr/bin/tr contained as part of ipsec.lrp (apparently version > 1.5 or earlier, since there is no tr command included in my latest ipsec > 1.91 package) is infected by the Lin

Re: [Leaf-devel] How to gzip *only* a new application's files ???

2002-02-08 Thread Jack Coates
On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > > Surely, all of you experienced LRP'ers have tackled this one! > > > > OK, I build a new application on a slink development box. Once I do > > `make install', how do I know an exhaustive list of *ALL* files to turn > > into the LRP file? > > The

Re: [Leaf-devel] How to gzip *only* a new application's files ???

2002-02-08 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
> Surely, all of you experienced LRP'ers have tackled this one! > > OK, I build a new application on a slink development box. Once I do > `make install', how do I know an exhaustive list of *ALL* files to turn > into the LRP file? There's probably an easier way, but I usually find myself crawlin

[Leaf-devel] How to gzip *only* a new application's files ???

2002-02-08 Thread Michael D. Schleif
Surely, all of you experienced LRP'ers have tackled this one! OK, I build a new application on a slink development box. Once I do `make install', how do I know an exhaustive list of *ALL* files to turn into the LRP file? What do you think? -- Best Regards, mds mds resource 888.250.3987 Da

Re: [Leaf-devel] CF (write protect) + IDE adapter

2002-02-08 Thread guitarlynn
On Friday 08 February 2002 10:52, Mike Noyes wrote: > Lynn, > If I understand you correctly, you believe Apacer was telling Stefaan > that Host Selectable (Close 2,3) mode wasn't supported, not that > Connect to Ground (Close 1,2) didn't work. Since there is no WP > jumper on the ADM, we need to

Re: [Leaf-devel] CF (write protect) + IDE adapter

2002-02-08 Thread Mike Noyes
At 2002-02-08 09:29 -0600, guitarlynn wrote: >As noted in the email and to a far lesser degree on the White >paper, pin #30 _can_ be used with a special MB to control the WP, in >particular with _partial_ software_named files/dirs to WP. The WP >used with the pins #1-2 does not require the special

Re: [Leaf-devel] CF (write protect) + IDE adapter

2002-02-08 Thread guitarlynn
On Friday 08 February 2002 08:39, Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > Um...you won't find any standard motherboards that support the usage > of pin 30 for write-protect, and even if you could, it would probably > be controlled by software, not a switch, which kind of defeats the > whole purpose. That's

Re: [Leaf-devel] Preferred package/filesystem location ???

2002-02-08 Thread Jack Coates
On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Matt Schalit wrote: > Jack Coates wrote: > > > > A factor here is that most distributions will backup anything there into > > local.lrp, which doubles up your space usage. > > As far as I've seen, a properly coded .list file ensures > that any directory and/or files in my .lis

Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: [Leaf-user] Possible virus?

2002-02-08 Thread Mike Noyes
At 2002-02-08 06:59 -0800, Kenneth Hadley wrote: >http://www.virusbtn.com/vb2000/Programme/papers/kaminski.pdf > > From what I understand it infects ELF headers Kenneth, That's what I'm able to find out also. Here is a quote from the Virus Bulletin Conference, Sep. 2000 p. 8-9 http://google.com

[Leaf-devel] Re: [Leaf-user] Possible virus?

2002-02-08 Thread Kenneth Hadley
http://www.virusbtn.com/vb2000/Programme/papers/kaminski.pdf >From what I understand it infects ELF headers Though I couldn't find any info on this virus from Sophos or Trend Micro...which struck me as strange since both have Linux/Unix based Antivirus software and are big name companies. -Kenn

RE: [Leaf-devel] Scripting language

2002-02-08 Thread Eric B Kiser
Can someone expound as to why TCL would be a bad choice. I thought there was a time when it was considered the standard for what you are wanting to do yet there has been no mention of it in this thread. Regards, Eric -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]O

Re: [Leaf-devel] CF (write protect) + IDE adapter

2002-02-08 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
> Thanks for getting a definitive answer. Is Apacer willing to supply you > with a list of motherboards that support ADM WP# pin 30? I suspect they > wont be able to locate any. This is a good point to use when asking them to > implement the control logic in the ADM firmware. Um...you won't find

[Leaf-devel] Possible virus?

2002-02-08 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
I have been informed that Panda Antyvirus Platinum on Windows XP reports that the file /usr/bin/tr contained as part of ipsec.lrp (apparently version 1.5 or earlier, since there is no tr command included in my latest ipsec 1.91 package) is infected by the Linux/Obsidian.E virus. I'm currently try

RE: [Leaf-devel] CF (write protect) + IDE adapter

2002-02-08 Thread Mike Noyes
At 2002-02-08 08:55 +0100, Stefaan Van Dooren wrote: >A message I just received from Apacer > > >Dear Stefaan, > >More information on the WP function. Apacer product is programmable >for WP. The WP pin is low active, so WP wll be activated whenever the >pin is asserted low. The system board, howev

Re: [Leaf-devel] More on dates

2002-02-08 Thread Mike Noyes
At 2002-02-08 00:43 -0600, David Douthitt wrote: >So how important is setting the time/date with date? Is rdate >(or ntpclient) enough? David, I think it's important to have the correct date. My ISP NOC wont accept abuse reports without valid time stamps in syslog. I use rdate on my curre

Re: [Leaf-devel] Scripting language

2002-02-08 Thread David Douthitt
On 2/8/02 at 12:54 AM, Matt Schalit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What does a hello world in FORTH look like? : HELLO_WORLD ." Hello, World!" ; HELLO_WORLD > Maybe could you also post an example that asks > your full name then echos the first name and > last name on different lines? Text proc

Re: [Leaf-devel] Scripting language

2002-02-08 Thread Matt Schalit
David Douthitt wrote: > [snip] > > You might say I enjoy FORTH - and you'd be understating things :) What does a hello world in FORTH look like? Maybe could you also post an example that asks your full name then echos the first name and last name on different lines? Just curious. Matt btw,