At 09:41 PM 7/5/2004 -0700, Chad Carr wrote:
There is a lot here; let me begin. Comments inline. If I choose not to
comment, that means I have nothing to add, not that I missed it.
Thanks for a response that was both quick and to the point. I'm running out
of things to say too, at least until I
I am not a fan. Space can be conserved with binary files, but
editability is sacrificed. XML provides human(?)
readibility/editability, but takes up lots of space. The filesystem as
backing store has always seemed to me to be the best idea given the
constraints.
On Jul 5, 2004, at 9:51 PM,
On Jul 5, 2004, at 9:58 PM, S Mohan wrote:
Chad and list,
Are the triggers asynchronous or synchronous? I imagine triggers can
be used
for semantic validation across packages and take appropriate
decisions. If
it does come to an irresolvable state, then errors have to be directed
back
to the ini
Chad and list,
Are the triggers asynchronous or synchronous? I imagine triggers can be used
for semantic validation across packages and take appropriate decisions. If
it does come to an irresolvable state, then errors have to be directed back
to the initiator. From my limited knowledge, this would
Count me in - system engineer, network designer, documentation, UI designer
. I can write the manuals as I've done before (QoS and Bridging). I can
contribute in the form of drawing up requirements and validating them from
an end user's perspective.
Warm regards
Mohan
> -Original Message---
Why not look at sleepycat DB? It has an XML DB option which will give us
extensibility and also make it easy to interface to external systems. Config
file can be in readable XML format also. IMHO a very attractive option.
Warm regards
Mohan
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There is a lot here; let me begin. Comments inline. If I choose not
to comment, that means I have nothing to add, not that I missed it.
On Jul 5, 2004, at 7:15 PM, Ray Olszewski wrote:
At 04:14 PM 7/5/2004 -0700, Chad Carr wrote:
All,
I started to draw this out, but I just simply do not have sk
Chad Carr wrote:
Shell gurus,
Is there a reliable cross-platform way to write an inverted if
statement? Something like bash's:
if ! /usr/bin/false # with some other command, obviously
then
# do something true
else
# do something false
At 04:14 PM 7/5/2004 -0700, Chad Carr wrote:
All,
I started to draw this out, but I just simply do not have skills in that
area. Some would question my verbal skills as well, \
Not me. At least, not based on this message ... it is exactly what I was
asking for youi to clarify. I'm going to walk
On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 14:41, Nathan Angelacos wrote:
> It works as an "advanced home router" for the web case. I'm not at
> liberty to give the whole web thing away, but if anyone is interested
> I could peel off a few cgi's as a demo.
Nathan,
Are you willing to donate your snippet(s) of code t
On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 17:43, Tom Eastep wrote:
> Mike Noyes wrote:
> > Dash may help in this area.
> >
> > http://gondor.apana.org.au/~herbert/dash/
> > DASH is a POSIX-compliant implementation of /bin/sh that aims to
> > be as small as possible.
> >
>
> Mike -- Dash and
On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 18:08, Chad Carr wrote:
> On Jul 5, 2004, at 5:43 PM, Tom Eastep wrote:
> > Mike Noyes wrote:
> >> Dash may help in this area.
> >> http://gondor.apana.org.au/~herbert/dash/
> >> DASH is a POSIX-compliant implementation of /bin/sh that aims
> >> to be
On Jul 5, 2004, at 5:43 PM, Tom Eastep wrote:
Mike Noyes wrote:
On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 16:14, Chad Carr wrote:
I say we all take a look at it, stamp it with approval or
disapproval, and move on to more pressing questions, like when to
back up changes and how the hell to write a full-featured templ
On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 17:39, Chad Carr wrote:
> Shell gurus,
Chad,
I'm by no means a shell guru, but this Google string may help.
Google string: inverted if posix ash
> Is there a reliable cross-platform way to write an inverted if
> statement? Something like bash's:
>
> if ! /usr/bin/f
On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 17:33, Chad Carr wrote:
> sqlite would certainly work, but the cdb utility would need to be
> rewritten in C or C++ and would no longer be hand editable. That is
> why the current version is written to use the filesystem as the backing
> store. In my mind, advanced users
Mike Noyes wrote:
On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 16:14, Chad Carr wrote:
I say we all take a look at it, stamp it with
approval or disapproval, and move on to more pressing questions, like
when to back up changes and how the hell to write a full-featured
templating system in the 92k stripped down /bin/sh
On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 16:14, Chad Carr wrote:
> I say we all take a look at it, stamp it with
> approval or disapproval, and move on to more pressing questions, like
> when to back up changes and how the hell to write a full-featured
> templating system in the 92k stripped down /bin/sh from Oxyg
Shell gurus,
Is there a reliable cross-platform way to write an inverted if
statement? Something like bash's:
if ! /usr/bin/false # with some other command, obviously
then
# do something true
else
# do something false
fi
Your assist
sqlite would certainly work, but the cdb utility would need to be
rewritten in C or C++ and would no longer be hand editable. That is
why the current version is written to use the filesystem as the backing
store. In my mind, advanced users would be able to hand-tune the cdb
repository, then h
On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 16:14, Chad Carr wrote:
> 6) This data is inserted into cdb's backing store (whatever that
> happens to be!)
Chad,
Would SQLite work as cdb's backing store, or am I misunderstanding what
a backing store is?
SQLite
http://www.sqlite.org/
--
Mike Noyes
http
On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 16:14, Chad Carr wrote:
> I started to draw this out, but I just simply do not have skills in
> that area. Some would question my verbal skills as well, but here
> goes:
Chad,
Dia will help with diagramming, even UML. I hope this information is
useful.
Dia's homep
All,
I started to draw this out, but I just simply do not have skills in
that area. Some would question my verbal skills as well, but here
goes:
Each of the tools (cdb, trig and tmpl) represents a data store.
cdb -> abstract configuration variables
trig -> abstract actions tied to those variabl
On Jul 5, 2004, at 2:19 PM, Ray Olszewski wrote:
Some discussion of this might be profitable.
I think so, too. Shall we start?
I really do think we can work through this, I do. We just need to talk
it through.
We should probably start up a task force of some kind consisting at
least one each
--- Ray Olszewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Actually no. I meant people other than Erich who are either upstream
> developers (e.g., Tom) or packagers (e.g., Charles). That is, the
sorts of
> people who will actually have to use, or to ignore (as they have up
to now,
> saving the oc
Hello Tom, Ray-
that is exactly the problem I found by working on this system. To create a UI
for a limited set is good possible, and by giving people the change to only
select limited possibilities reduces errors ( masks , Broadcast and so on)
It is also possible to simply forward certain port
At 10:24 PM 7/5/2004 +0200, Erich Titl wrote:
[...]
I'm not dead set on this ... I'm happy to listen to an argument for doing
it the other way ... but I don't see the case for doing it the way you
propose to be so obvious that it doesn't require an explanation.
What motivates me to propose my ap
On Mon, 5 Jul 2004, Ray Olszewski wrote:
>
> The really really hard parts -- e.g., the structure of the Shorewall
> subsection -- are not yet done. Or at least I hope not ... this area lacks
> very basic details, such as a way to specify port forwarding/DNAT.
>
Here are some random thoughts.
I d
Hello List,
sorry for being so quiet for so long, my new job is takeing lots of energy and
time. ( but positiv stress :) )
I just uploaded the work in progress on the cdb.lrp and weblet.lrp on my server
at http://www.leafinfo.com/webconfig/
I played a lot with the webbased configuration, and
On Jul 5, 2004, at 1:24 PM, Erich Titl wrote:
Your analysis is convincing, especially as it covers the most
important part of getting the system configured the way the user wants
it.
My suggestion to allow the inverse way was wrong in the way it was
formulated. I would actually love if the UI sh
On Jul 5, 2004, at 12:17 PM, Ray Olszewski wrote:
At 10:30 AM 7/5/2004 -0700, Chad Carr wrote:
On Jul 5, 2004, at 9:47 AM, Ray Olszewski wrote:
Erich -- I'll be a bit happier when this discussion starts to
attract comments from someone other than the two of us (and Mike).
Until then, a couple of
Ray and List
At 18:47 05.07.2004, Ray Olszewski wrote:
Erich -- I'll be a bit happier when this discussion starts to attract
comments from someone other than the two of us (and Mike). Until then, a
couple of small responses to what you wrote.
(After I wrote this, I got Mike's mail forwarding Cha
On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 12:17, Ray Olszewski wrote:
> Probably some of this was discussed a year ago, though I didn't find that
> discussion today when I looked.
Ray,
Unfortunately, much of the discussion was held in off list messages and
irc, so the content isn't available. :-(
> BTW, I'd still l
On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 11:36, Etienne Charlier wrote:
> I'm really glad that this thread started up!
>
> I can help modifying package to take care of the reading config values
> from the repository !!
Etienne,
Would you like write access to src/config in cvs?
--
Mike Noyes
http://sourceforge.n
At 10:30 AM 7/5/2004 -0700, Chad Carr wrote:
On Jul 5, 2004, at 9:47 AM, Ray Olszewski wrote:
Erich -- I'll be a bit happier when this discussion starts to attract
comments from someone other than the two of us (and Mike). Until then, a
couple of small responses to what you wrote.
I guess you pro
HI,
I'm really glad that this thread started up!
I can help modifying package to take care of the reading config values from
the repository !!
One thing that I like in ipcop is its abstract way of naming interfaces
- red= internet
- green= local lan
- orange =dmz
- blue = wireless
by using suc
On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 10:46, Chad Carr wrote:
> Is it possible to use a key and ssh-agent to access the sourceforge cvs
> repository?
Chad,
Yes, as far as I know. Please let me know if these documents fail to
answer your question(s).
SF Site Docs
E5. Guide to generating, posting and using SSH ke
Is it possible to use a key and ssh-agent to access the sourceforge cvs
repository?
Thanks,
Chad
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On Jul 5, 2004, at 9:47 AM, Ray Olszewski wrote:
Erich -- I'll be a bit happier when this discussion starts to attract
comments from someone other than the two of us (and Mike). Until then,
a couple of small responses to what you wrote.
I guess you probably meant myself, Lynn or Eric, hmm?
(After
Mike,
Not a problem - any estimate on when you might be done w/ the web site?
Thanks,
-V
->-Original Message-
->From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
->[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Noyes
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->To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
->Subject: [leaf-devel] New project me
Erich -- I'll be a bit happier when this discussion starts to attract
comments from someone other than the two of us (and Mike). Until then, a
couple of small responses to what you wrote.
(After I wrote this, I got Mike's mail forwarding Chad's messages. At this
point, they don't change my thin
Hi Ray and List
At 07:50 05.07.2004 -0700, Ray Olszewski wrote:
>At 08:36 AM 7/5/2004 +0200, Erich Titl wrote:
>>Mike
>...
>After Mike posted the request yesterday, I took a look at this sub-project too. I
>read it, and its limitations, exactly as you do, Erich. It's designed not to solve
>the
At 08:36 AM 7/5/2004 +0200, Erich Titl wrote:
Mike
At 10:17 04.07.2004 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote:
>Everyone,
>I'd like us to complete the work Chad Carr started on the leaf config
>system. This is one of the main deficiencies I feel we have presently.
>lrcfg isn't viable as a sole option anymore. Cha
On Sun, 2004-07-04 at 23:36, Erich Titl wrote:
> At 10:17 04.07.2004 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote:
> >I'd like us to complete the work Chad Carr started on the leaf config
> >system. This is one of the main deficiencies I feel we have presently.
> >lrcfg isn't viable as a sole option anymore. Chad's sys
Subject was Re: [leaf-devel] Re: CVS Access ...
On Sun, 2004-07-04 at 22:25, Venki S. Iyer wrote:
> Just saw a note from you talking about CVS access - I am awaiting access
> myself. The SF id is 'venkisiyer'.
Venki,
I should be able to make you a project member shortly after our new
website is c
Mike
At 10:17 04.07.2004 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote:
>Everyone,
>I'd like us to complete the work Chad Carr started on the leaf config
>system. This is one of the main deficiencies I feel we have presently.
>lrcfg isn't viable as a sole option anymore. Chad's system allows for
>multiple front-end sup
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