Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-16 Thread David Douthitt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There has been a lot of discussion recently about packaging systems, but simply separating the configuration from the package would be a big help. People could distribute an updated package, and others could in most cases simply replace theirs and reboot. If they

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread Pim van Riezen
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, David Douthitt wrote: Mike Sensney wrote: At 12:26 PM 06/14/2001 -0500, David Douthitt wrote Windows users who don't know Linux/ipchains should just skip installing a LEAF firewall since it will add no protection? Well, that will simplify things a lot for the new

RE: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread Luis.F.Correia
Take a look at Cisco I'd say. I never have to compile IOS from source, but they're pretty responsible in reporting security issues. Provided you'll pay for the fixes. They do NOT offer nothing for free... but they never said that either... ___

RE: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread Pim van Riezen
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Luis.F.Correia wrote: Take a look at Cisco I'd say. I never have to compile IOS from source, but they're pretty responsible in reporting security issues. Provided you'll pay for the fixes. They do NOT offer nothing for free... but they never said that either... True.

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread David Douthitt
David Douthitt wrote: Charles Steinkuehler wrote: Hey! What's with this VI stuff...it's emacs all the way! just kidding ;-) I love Emacs too - that's the problem. I got spoiled using real Emacs on a HP Apollo for a while - never left Emacs, even though X was available. I forgot

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread David Douthitt
Pim van Riezen wrote: On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, David Douthitt wrote: For me personally, my aim is not to build black box appliances that need no maintenance, but rather to build network appliances that don't carry Unix baggage unless if there's no alternatives. That's if you consider UNIX

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread David Douthitt
Mike Sensney wrote: A LEAF box should be able to check for updates and inform its administrator that updates are needed. This is a great idea, and one I like. However, there are several things that would be needed before something like this could be truly useful: * A centralized package

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread Mike Noyes
Mike Sensney, 2001-06-15 08:35 -0700 At 06:31 AM 06/15/2001 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote David Douthitt, 2001-06-15 07:45 -0500 Mike Sensney wrote: Still, a point well taken. It probably would be wise to institute an advisory list for package updates and security issues. A very good idea -

RE: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread Steven Peck
A LEAF box should be able to check for updates and inform its administrator that updates are needed. - I don't necessarily agree with this. Part of the appeal of a base config'd system for me is that even if it is hacked, there arn't many tools to use.

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread Mike Sensney
Gee. And I was just thinking of simple notification, then letting the admin do the work. :-) At 10:54 AM 06/15/2001 -0500, David Douthitt wrote Mike Sensney wrote: A LEAF box should be able to check for updates and inform its administrator that updates are needed. This is a great idea,

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread Mike Sensney
At 09:53 AM 06/15/2001 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote Mike Sensney, 2001-06-15 08:35 -0700 At 06:31 AM 06/15/2001 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote David Douthitt, 2001-06-15 07:45 -0500 Mike Sensney wrote: Still, a point well taken. It probably would be wise to institute an advisory list for package updates

RE: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread Mike Sensney
At 11:13 AM 06/15/2001 -0700, Steven Peck wrote A LEAF box should be able to check for updates and inform its administrator that updates are needed. - I don't necessarily agree with this. Part of the appeal of a base config'd system for me is that even if

[Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread Scott C. Best
Heyaz. So, I went to the LEAF site today trying to imagine myself as a new LRP user who's going there for the first time. And it strikes me...where's the distro? IMO, frontcenter links to both ES2B and Oxygen be a would be a great help. Sure, there's a little releases in the

RE: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread Steven Peck
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement Heyaz. So, I went to the LEAF site today trying to imagine myself as a new LRP user who's going there for the first time. And it strikes

RE: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread Scott C. Best
]] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement Heyaz. So, I went to the LEAF site today trying to imagine myself as a new LRP user who's going there for the first time. And it strikes me...where's

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread Mike Noyes
Scott C. Best, 2001-06-13 23:25 -0700 Heyaz. So, I went to the LEAF site today trying to imagine myself as a new LRP user who's going there for the first time. And it strikes me...where's the distro? IMO, frontcenter links to both ES2B and Oxygen be a would be a great help.

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread jdnewmil
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: Scott C. Best, 2001-06-13 23:25 -0700 Heyaz. So, I went to the LEAF site today trying to imagine myself as a new LRP user who's going there for the first time. And it strikes me...where's the distro? IMO, frontcenter links to both

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
Scott C. Best, 2001-06-13 23:25 -0700 Heyaz. So, I went to the LEAF site today trying to imagine myself as a new LRP user who's going there for the first time. And it strikes me...where's the distro? IMO, frontcenter links to both ES2B and Oxygen be a would be a great

RE: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread Steven Peck
distribution --[button] floppy based --[button] cd-rom based (Probably where most of the Oxygen stuff will be) How's that? -sp -Original Message- From: Scott C. Best To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 6/14/2001 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement Mike: I'm hardly

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread Kenneth Hadley
: Thursday, June 14, 2001 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement Imagine you are a Windows user. :-) You have heard about firewalling, have a spare computer, and want to protect your home/office network. You don't know RedHat from YellowDog and don't really care. You don't have

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread David Douthitt
Mike Sensney wrote: Imagine you are a Windows user. :-) Not hard - but now I've got VNC on my NT box and a vnc server on the Linux box :-) You have heard about firewalling, have a spare computer, and want to protect your home/office network. You don't know RedHat from YellowDog and don't

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread jdnewmil
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, David Douthitt wrote: [...] What most people want - a blackbox that you plug in and turn on and forget - it just isn't going to happen: 1. Too many variables: do you want a VPN? Shell access? Proxy? DMZ? Web Cache? Web server? SNMP? Web statistics? Name

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread Scott C. Best
Mike: Looks much better, thanks! Quick thing: there's a new half-inch margin on the right hand side that's squishing the page leftwards. Or is my browser just totally hosed? (NS 4.6 on Solaris). -Scott On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: Charles Steinkuehler, 2001-06-14

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread Mike Noyes
Scott C. Best, 2001-06-14 12:41 -0700 Mike: Looks much better, thanks! Scott, No problem. Thanks for the suggestion. Quick thing: there's a new half-inch margin on the right hand side that's squishing the page leftwards. Or is my browser just totally hosed? (NS 4.6 on

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread Mike Noyes
Charles Steinkuehler, 2001-06-14 13:35 -0500 Everyone, Are our home page and releases page easier to navigate now? Note: I still need to work on our releases page, but I think our home page is alright. Looking better! Charles, Thanks. The releases page still needs a lot of work

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread Jack Coates
better -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner! On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: Everyone, Are our home page and releases page easier to navigate now? Note: I still need to work on our releases page, but I think our home page is alright.