Re: [L-I] Re: Serbia a "typical postcommunist state"

2000-11-23 Thread A.Wosni
I'm very much astonished to read such thing from you, comrade Mine. Owen may be wrong or not on the question of stateownership in Croatia/Serbia, but at least he is no defeatist running after one or another bourgeois regime because he can't think about real power of the workers. This is the di

Re: [L-I] Re: Serbia a "typical postcommunist state"

2000-11-22 Thread James Paris
> Actually, John Lacny's list, which was supposed to be a Milosevic-free > environment, is one of the most boring places on the Internet. I think Owen > hangs around us reprobate Stalinist-Fascist types because we are much more > interesting. No, Louis. I disagree. Look at it dialectically. Na

Re: [L-I] Re: Serbia a "typical postcommunist state"

2000-11-22 Thread Mine Aysen Doyran
Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky wrote: > >Mine's proposition, from what I > >could learn of PEN-L during my permanence there, is a very >sound one indeed. Many > >people there would honestly agree with you. >Mischievousness on her side, at most, > >lies in what she did _not_ tell you on some other peo

Re: [L-I] Re: Serbia a "typical postcommunist state"

2000-11-22 Thread Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky
En relaciĆ³n a Re: [L-I] Re: Serbia a "typical postcommunist sta, el 22 Nov 00, a las 17:25, Louis Proyect dijo: > >Now now, lad...you seem to be the one who keeps re-joining lists you > denounce as > >cesspools of revisionism and/or get kicked off of, are you not? > > > >but I love ya anyway... >

Re: [L-I] Re: Serbia a "typical postcommunist state"

2000-11-22 Thread Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky
En relaciĆ³n a [L-I] Re: Serbia a "typical postcommunist state", el 22 Nov 00, a las 22:06, Owen Jones dijo: > Reply to Mine Aysen Doyran, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the > 22/11/2000 21:34: > > > In my humble opinion, you should subscribe Pen-l. I am sure

Re: [L-I] Re: Serbia a "typical postcommunist state"

2000-11-22 Thread Louis Proyect
>Now now, lad...you seem to be the one who keeps re-joining lists you denounce as >cesspools of revisionism and/or get kicked off of, are you not? > >but I love ya anyway... > >Macdonald Actually, John Lacny's list, which was supposed to be a Milosevic-free environment, is one of the most boring

Re: [L-I] Re: Serbia a "typical postcommunist state"

2000-11-22 Thread Macdonald Stainsby
> Indeed, I wonder if Mailing > List Syndrome has been officially accepted as a condition by psychologists > yet. > > Owen Now now, lad...you seem to be the one who keeps re-joining lists you denounce as cesspools of revisionism and/or get kicked off of, are you not? but I love ya anyway... Ma

[L-I] Re: Serbia a "typical postcommunist state"

2000-11-22 Thread Owen Jones
Reply to Mine Aysen Doyran, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 22/11/2000 21:34: > In my humble opinion, you should subscribe Pen-l. I am sure you will find a > large audience to your views there. Typical of the Milosevic fan club crowd. Those who do not subscribe to their twisted apologia

Re: [L-I] Re: Serbia a "typical postcommunist state"

2000-11-22 Thread Mine Aysen Doyran
> > Croatia under Tudjman had a much higher level of state ownership than > Serbia under Milosevic, according to an economist Louis quoted from PEN-L or > whatever the list is called in a rather vain effort to prove the progressive > credentials of the Milosevic regime. Owen, this is not true!

Re: [L-I] Re: Serbia a "typical postcommunist state"

2000-11-22 Thread Louis Proyect
Christian Science Monitor, June 6, 1996 On the one hand, Mr. Milosevic is desperate for international recognition of his regime, and to use his status as a peacemaker - bestowed by the West when he forced Bosnian Serbs to negotiate last autumn and signed the Dayton peace accord on their behalf -

[L-I] Re: Serbia a "typical postcommunist state"

2000-11-22 Thread Owen Jones
Mac, The NEP was a policy initiated by a consciously revolutionary leadership in a time of dire crisis for the world's first workers' state, with the intention of saving that workers' state from the abyss. The programme of privatisation carried out by the Milosevic regime was part of a consc

Re: [L-I] Re: Serbia a "typical postcommunist state"

2000-11-21 Thread Louis Proyect
Owen: > I'm sure the money was very useful for banners and posters and buying >mansions for opposition leaders but it doesn't really explain why hundreds >of thousands of workers and peasants took to the streets of the country and >seized control of the means of production. How did imperialist mon

Re: [L-I] Re: Serbia a "typical postcommunist state"

2000-11-21 Thread Macdonald Stainsby
I will deal with your post in it's entirety later. But for now, it is quite humourous that you can say the following: > This was a spontaneous outburst of the entire working class > which was completely out of the control of anyone. > > Owen When those of us who followed the events twist and t

[L-I] Re: Serbia a "typical postcommunist state"

2000-11-21 Thread Owen Jones
Hi Mac This is awful stuff. > The author of this piece is assuming two falsities: 1, that the "revolution" > in > Yugoslavia must have been a popular one, Frankly if that revolution was not "popular" to use your vocabulary, then I really am at a lost as to what is a "popular" revolution by