Re: More control...hint integration discussion

2005-11-28 Thread Matthew Burgess
Tushar Teredesai wrote: On 11/28/05, Randy McMurchy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If it isn't a trust thing, and you want to figure out what all is being installed, then there are many, many ways to get that data. Yep, and DESTDIR being the easiest and recommended (in the READMEs) way. I can't

Re: More control...hint integration discussion

2005-11-28 Thread DJ Lucas
Tushar Teredesai wrote: On 11/28/05, Randy McMurchy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Or, to look at it another way, folks that *do* want to use the DESTDIR approach can simply add it to the instructions. :-) I have been using that approach and it is not as easy as that. Sometimes, we need to make

Re: More control...hint integration discussion

2005-11-28 Thread Tushar Teredesai
On 11/28/05, Archaic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 09:59:24AM -0600, Tushar Teredesai wrote: > > > > I have been using that approach and it is not as easy as that. > > Sometimes, we need to make sure that the destination dirs exist before > > installing (i.e. have some instal

Re: virtual memory exhausted (uclibc and linux-2.6.14)

2005-11-28 Thread brucem128
I managed to build and run xorg without issue. I have not encountered any other problems compiling stuff. Bruce > I'm pretty sure this is related to Xorg doing a segfault during building in > xcbuild/lib/X11. > > This, and the below, problem is only during compile time. When I built my > sy

Re: Typo in Chapter 'GDM 2.6.0.9'

2005-11-28 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Archaic wrote: > On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 05:34:43PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >>That was not my intention. > > > What, the patches vs. upgrading packages, or the point I made about how > long it would take to find all the errata. If not for finding the errata > that has accumulated since the b

Re: More control...hint integration discussion

2005-11-28 Thread Archaic
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 09:59:24AM -0600, Tushar Teredesai wrote: > > I have been using that approach and it is not as easy as that. > Sometimes, we need to make sure that the destination dirs exist before > installing (i.e. have some install -d before the make DESTDIR=.. > install. Then I would

Re: More control...hint integration discussion

2005-11-28 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Alexander Lang wrote: > Tushar Teredesai wrote: > >>What do other LFSers think? > > > I have another idea (maybe it exists already, maybe not): > I recently discovered uninonfs > (http://www.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu/project-unionfs.html) and it seems to me, > that it could be used for our purpose, allo

Re: Post LFS-6.1.1 plans

2005-11-28 Thread Chris Staub
Matt Darcy wrote: Matt Darcy wrote: Andrew Benton wrote: +1 for wget Andy pussy sorry - that was meant to go to andrew direct - not the list tounge in cheek Matt Riiight... -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubs

Re: Post LFS-6.1.1 plans

2005-11-28 Thread Chris Staub
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: Andrew Benton wrote: +1 for wget I suggested this a long time ago - one of my first few posts to the list, IIRC. While it is one of the first BLFS packages I build, if we include it, the question becomes, at what point do we stop? -- JH Yeah, at some point you ha

Re: Post LFS-6.1.1 plans

2005-11-28 Thread Matt Darcy
Matt Darcy wrote: Andrew Benton wrote: Ag Hatzim wrote: I would like to propose to put reiserfsprogs,wget (with a note to rebuild wget from blfs,for those who would like support for encrypted http,which requires openssl) and maybe a text browser e.g lynx,into the book. +1 for wget And

Re: Post LFS-6.1.1 plans

2005-11-28 Thread Matt Darcy
Andrew Benton wrote: Ag Hatzim wrote: I would like to propose to put reiserfsprogs,wget (with a note to rebuild wget from blfs,for those who would like support for encrypted http,which requires openssl) and maybe a text browser e.g lynx,into the book. +1 for wget Andy pussy -- http://li

Re: More control...hint integration discussion

2005-11-28 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Alexander Lang wrote: I have another idea (maybe it exists already, maybe not): I recently discovered uninonfs (http://www.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu/project-unionfs.html) and it seems to me, that it could be used for our purpose, allowing the instructions to remain as they are now: Despite it's popular

Re: More control...hint integration discussion

2005-11-28 Thread Alexander Lang
Tushar Teredesai wrote: > > What do other LFSers think? I have another idea (maybe it exists already, maybe not): I recently discovered uninonfs (http://www.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu/project-unionfs.html) and it seems to me, that it could be used for our purpose, allowing the instructions to remain as th

Re: Automating BLFS

2005-11-28 Thread M.Canales.es
El Lunes, 28 de Noviembre de 2005 16:33, Bruce Dubbs escribió: > These are the main alternative packages/options that I can remember off > the top of my head. I'd have to go through the book to get a > comprehensive list, but we are just talking concepts right now. Well, all that seems good pro

Re: Post LFS-6.1.1 plans

2005-11-28 Thread Andrew Benton
Jim Gifford wrote: Matthew Burgess wrote: 2) Bring udev in line with upstream recommended practices, including dropping the hotplug package. I'll be creating a branch for this in due course, though I think proper handling of the input subsystem is still dependent on linux-2.6.15. I'm gettin

Re: Post LFS-6.1.1 plans

2005-11-28 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Andrew Benton wrote: Ag Hatzim wrote: I would like to propose to put reiserfsprogs,wget (with a note to rebuild wget from blfs,for those who would like support for encrypted http,which requires openssl) and maybe a text browser e.g lynx,into the book. +1 for wget I suggested this a long ti

Re: Post LFS-6.1.1 plans

2005-11-28 Thread Andrew Benton
Ag Hatzim wrote: I would like to propose to put reiserfsprogs,wget (with a note to rebuild wget from blfs,for those who would like support for encrypted http,which requires openssl) and maybe a text browser e.g lynx,into the book. +1 for wget Andy -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinf

Re: Typo in Chapter 'GDM 2.6.0.9'

2005-11-28 Thread Andrew Benton
Lennon Cook wrote: Andrew Benton wrote: If that's true that means you have a /share folder in your root folder and you installed gnome with the --prefix=/ You misunderstand, I think (my fault - superfluous probably wasn't quite the right word in retrospect). I meant that both lines should be `

Re: More control...hint integration discussion

2005-11-28 Thread Bryan Kadzban
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 09:48:41AM -0700, Dennis J Perkins wrote: > Isn't DESTDIR something that the autoconf package automatically > provides? Well, automake (not autoconf), but yes. > Which means almost all packages used by LFS and BLFS should be able to > use it. All except the ones that don'

Re: Hand holding (Was: Re: Post LFS-6.1.1 plans)

2005-11-28 Thread Steve Prior
Bruce Dubbs wrote: sash wrote: imho, there are no stupid questions. I used to think that. Then I taught a few years in a Community College. :) -- Bruce About 10 years ago I taught a course in C++ at a local community college. The class was meant for C programmers to learn C++ so C w

Re: More control...hint integration discussion

2005-11-28 Thread Dennis J Perkins
> > BTW, this is the first I have heard of maintainers recommending *not* > to use DESTDIR based approach since that is how packages are installed > by most of the distros (including the source based ones like Gentoo). > Isn't DESTDIR something that the autoconf package automatically provides?

Re: More control...hint integration discussion

2005-11-28 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Tushar Teredesai wrote: BTW, this is the first I have heard of maintainers recommending *not* to use DESTDIR based approach since that is how packages are installed by most of the distros (including the source based ones like Gentoo). I think employing DESTDIR would be an educating and worthwh

Re: More control...hint integration discussion

2005-11-28 Thread Tushar Teredesai
On 11/28/05, Randy McMurchy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tushar Teredesai wrote these words on 11/28/05 09:59 CST: > > On 11/28/05, Randy McMurchy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>If it isn't a trust thing, and you want to figure out what all is > >>being installed, then there are many, many ways to

Re: More control...hint integration discussion

2005-11-28 Thread Tushar Teredesai
On 11/28/05, Randy McMurchy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tushar Teredesai wrote these words on 11/28/05 09:59 CST: > > On 11/28/05, Randy McMurchy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>If it isn't a trust thing, and you want to figure out what all is > >>being installed, then there are many, many ways to

Re: More control...hint integration discussion

2005-11-28 Thread Randy McMurchy
Tushar Teredesai wrote these words on 11/28/05 09:59 CST: > On 11/28/05, Randy McMurchy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>If it isn't a trust thing, and you want to figure out what all is >>being installed, then there are many, many ways to get that data. > > Yep, and DESTDIR being the easiest and reco

Re: More control...hint integration discussion

2005-11-28 Thread Tushar Teredesai
On 11/28/05, Dan Nicholson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually, you have that a bit backwards. TT_PFX is the variable Greg > uses for /tools or whatever. You're thinking of PM_DEST, the variable > where the package manager root is set. So that's > > make DESTDIR=$PM_DEST install Thanks, I c

Re: More control...hint integration discussion

2005-11-28 Thread Tushar Teredesai
On 11/28/05, Randy McMurchy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Or, to look at it another way, folks that *do* want to use the DESTDIR > approach can simply add it to the instructions. :-) I have been using that approach and it is not as easy as that. Sometimes, we need to make sure that the destinatio

Re: Post LFS-6.1.1 plans

2005-11-28 Thread Tushar Teredesai
On 11/28/05, Randy McMurchy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The argument was that they weren't required in BLFS, however, > since it's been proven that they *are* required in BLFS (and > boy aren't we lucky that maintainers use semi-recent packages) > you go back to the "not required in LFS" crutch.

Re: Typo in Chapter 'GDM 2.6.0.9'

2005-11-28 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Randy McMurchy wrote: > Lennon Cook wrote these words on 11/27/05 05:38 CST: > >>In the instructions for GDM: >>- - - >>chmod -v 644 --prefix=`pkg-config --variable=prefix ORBit-2.0`\ >>/share/gdm/BuiltInSessions/default.desktop && >>chmod -v 644 --prefix=`pkg-config --variable=prefix ORBit-2.0`\

Re: Hand holding (Was: Re: Post LFS-6.1.1 plans)

2005-11-28 Thread Emu
Randy McMurchy wrote: Chris Staub wrote these words on 11/27/05 20:47 CST: Try going to Amazon.com and searching the "Books" section for "google" - there are several books on using google listed. A book on how to use search terms in Google? And people actually would *buy* something l

Re: More control...hint integration discussion

2005-11-28 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 11/27/05, Tushar Teredesai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/27/05, Tushar Teredesai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Disadvantages: > > * It makes the instructions slightly more complex. > > * Causes problems for folks who don't want a package manager. > > Actually, we can do what Greg has done.

Re: Post LFS-6.1.1 plans

2005-11-28 Thread silverspurg
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Jeremy Huntwork wrote: If anyone wants any other features included now's the time to get those requests in. Funny how powerful one little sentence can be. :) And no kidding. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/

Re: Hand holding (Was: Re: Post LFS-6.1.1 plans)

2005-11-28 Thread silverspurg
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005, sash wrote: gullible? or kind, understanding and compassionate? You always put such a nice spin on things, sash. :) Steven -- -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page

Re: Post LFS-6.1.1 plans

2005-11-28 Thread Matt Darcy
Ag Hatzim wrote: Matthew Burgess([EMAIL PROTECTED])@Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 09:44:29PM +: Hi Matthew. If anyone wants any other features included now's the time to get those requests in. I would like to propose to put reiserfsprogs,wget (with a note to rebuild wget from blfs,for those who