Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

--- On Mon, 6/30/08, goat! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: goat! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying To: LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 2:58 PM

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 06 July 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: > Of course. Some of the "illegal" immigrants are doing what > immigrants have done in North America for longer than my own > ancestors have been here (the second boat to Massachusetts), Nea

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

From: "Dennis Lee Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > --- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, "Zack Bass" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > Right on! And you are making a good point about where welfare money > > goes - lots of people do make the mistake of thinking that much > > welfare

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis Lee Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have not seen anything like an official, authoritative, source report > containing figures about the number of "illegal immigrants" who receive > welfare funds, nor how much they allegedly receive, bu

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, "Zack Bass" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Right on! And you are making a good point about where welfare money > goes - lots of people do make the mistake of thinking that much > welfare goes legally to Illegal Immigrants. I wouldn't be surprised >

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

Right on! And you are making a good point about where welfare money goes - lots of people do make the mistake of thinking that much welfare goes legally to Illegal Immigrants. I wouldn't be surprised to find that some jurisdictions do explicitly give welfare to illegals, but you are correct that

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, "Zack Bass" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I think you are intentionally picking shit out of context. Go to the > link you gave! A couple of clicks away is this - which explicitly > states, as I did, that NONCITIZEN LEGAL PERMANENT RESIDENT ALIENS

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

I think you are intentionally picking shit out of context. Go to the link you gave! A couple of clicks away is this - which explicitly states, as I did, that NONCITIZEN LEGAL PERMANENT RESIDENT ALIENS are eligible! And it is not believable that you were unaware of it. https://www.azdes.gov/faa

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

--- On Wed, 7/2/08, Dennis Lee Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is absurd and grossly arbitrary for a person who was born & lives 20 feet south of the Mexican border to pay to walk to visit his cousin who was born & lives 20 feet north of the border. This punishment is incompatible with th

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, "Zack Bass" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis Lee Wilson" > dennisleewilson@ wrote: > > > > Welfare is NOT the problem. > > It is ILLEGAL for non-citizens to collect welfare!! > > > > I think you are

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, "Zack Bass" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis Lee Wilson" > dennisleewilson@ wrote: > > > > Welfare is NOT the problem. > > It is ILLEGAL for non-citizens to collect welfare!! > > > > I think you are

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis Lee Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Welfare is NOT the problem. > It is ILLEGAL for non-citizens to collect welfare!! > I think you are making the common mistake of confusing Citizens and Legal Aliens and Illegal Aliens. LOTS of Legal

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, "goat!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I do however agree with the opposing side on some issues, > that being that no entity should have the right to own > as much as they can legally say they own > Silly Luddite, wealth is for Individuals! It would

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Boyd Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ok. I like the idea of making them pay upfront. An ounce or 5 of silver or even gold is a good idea. > It is absurd and grossly arbitrary for a person who was born & lives 20 feet south of the Mexican border

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Boyd Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ok. I like the idea of making them pay upfront. An ounce or 5 of silver or even gold is a good idea. But first we have to eliminate the main draw - the welfare state. > ==

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

From: Zack Bass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Either way, it is an unpleasant statement. It is perfectly permissible to kill the Guilty; whether it helps save others or does not is morally irrelevant. And the bald statement, without saying whether it refers to the Guilty or the Innocent, definitely implies

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Boyd Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Zack Bass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Of course! I agree with the assassination of the GUILTY - those who > have Initiated Force or Delegated it (say by Voting for it). What I > oppose is the killing of an I

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

From: Zack Bass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Of course! I agree with the assassination of the GUILTY - those who have Initiated Force or Delegated it (say by Voting for it). What I oppose is the killing of an INNOCENT in order to benefit a million others. ---

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 23:08:56 -0700, Zack Bass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, "goat!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> I wouldn't call it theft of land, as a land >> owner has a duty to stop trespassers >> > > HUH? What the FUCK? Ownership implies a

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, "goat!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I wouldn't call it theft of land, as a land > owner has a duty to stop trespassers > HUH? What the FUCK? Ownership implies a RIGHT TO EXCLUDE (or not to exclude, it's up to the Owner). No DUTY whatsoever.

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Boyd Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Adolph Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Saddam Hussein, Bin Laden, Fidel Castro, and Hugo Chavez. All need to be or needed to be shot and killed shortly after they began their initiations of force. All under the co

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

--- On Mon, 6/30/08, Zack Bass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What an anti-libertarian- based movie! The trailer shows her asserting that it is good to kill one person if that will save the lives of several others. See "Torture and the Trolley" - http://www.ncc- 1776.org/ tle2007/tle449- 20071230- 04.

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

--- On Mon, 6/30/08, goat! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Private property is a fiction of government or held by force (some libertarian thought equates government being force). The commons was here before private property was ever codified into law. Those definitions is what is called law. Law is

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

Exactly! Those who argue that Aliens ought to be stopped from entering this country because they would be Trespassing on private land don't seem to notice that that argument also implies that no Citizen could cross that border (in either direction) either! The true situation is that I am a Citize

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, "goat!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Wraith wrote: > > > > > Just by crossing an imaginary line on a map, they are committing a crime > > in some peoples alleged minds. Its *ALL* about power and control Eric. > > One doesn't have to look very deep in

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Boyd Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am going to see the movie Wanted in July > What an anti-libertarian-based movie! The trailer shows her asserting that it is good to kill one person if that will save the lives of several others. See "Tortur

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Boyd Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Zack Bass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > You are a FUCKING LIAR. Illegal Aliens are not expressing such an > intention, and those Barr wants to bar from entry include BILLIONS of > people, not just someone who

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

Private property is a fiction of government or held by force (some libertarian thought equates government being force). The commons was here before private property was ever codified into law. continued... Wraith wrote: > At 02:16 PM 6/30/2008, you wrote: > >> Wraith wrote: >> >> >> >> >> N

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

From: goat! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So if somebody crosses your imaginary property line to property you own without your consent, exactly what is that called? Goat --- I'll take trespassing for $500. BWS

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

From: Wraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well...You have the tangled mess part right. But rather than straighten up, I suspect what would happen is that the entire system of illusions and delusions would come crashing down, and in the resulting power vacuum, all manner of unpleasant things would happen.

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

From: Zack Bass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You are a FUCKING LIAR. Illegal Aliens are not expressing such an intention, and those Barr wants to bar from entry include BILLIONS of people, not just someone who has expressed an intention to commit such crimes. - You

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

At 02:16 PM 6/30/2008, you wrote: Wraith wrote: >> >> Nobody owns the property on the border? > > > Exactly. Its "owned" by the group of thugs commonly referred to as > government. > It would be entirely different if that land was private property. Wrong, it is owned by the people who own land

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

Wraith wrote: >> >> Nobody owns the property on the border? > > > Exactly. Its "owned" by the group of thugs commonly referred to as > government. > It would be entirely different if that land was private property. Wrong, it is owned by the people who own land there. > >> There is no mixing

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

At 12:58 PM 6/30/2008, you wrote: Wraith wrote: > > Trespass. But you are mixing up concepts. You specified that the > property is > owned by an individual(above). Who owns the imaginary line called a border? >

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

Wraith wrote: > > Trespass. But you are mixing up concepts. You specified that the > property is > owned by an individual(above). Who owns the imaginary line called a border? > > Nobody owns the property on the b

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

At 12:41 PM 6/30/2008, you wrote: Wraith wrote: > > Just by crossing an imaginary line on a map, they are committing a crime > in some peoples alleged minds. Its *ALL* about power and control Eric. > One doesn't have to look very deep into these matters to find tribalism > and fear of the Other

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

Wraith wrote: > > Just by crossing an imaginary line on a map, they are committing a crime > in some peoples alleged minds. Its *ALL* about power and control Eric. > One doesn't have to look very deep into these matters to find tribalism > and fear of the Other(which underlie all too much of basi

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

At 05:17 AM 6/30/2008, you wrote: On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Boyd Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So in other words you think it is OK for people to come into this country > for the express purpose of committing crimes such as rape, murder and theft.

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

At 08:10 PM 6/29/2008, you wrote: Believe it or not, I was actually thinking about something along the lines of some of what what you say below. It seems that all the things that have gone wrong are tied up and tangled up together. As if it were some big bunch of tangled and knotted ropes, wit

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Boyd Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So in other words you think it is OK for people to come into this country > for the express purpose of committing crimes such as rape, murder and theft. I don't think it is OK for people to go in to a bank for the purpose o

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Boyd Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Most of these individuals are not coming in with the > intention of working, but with the intent of stealing > property, welfare and medical services. > That needs to be addressed quickly as it is a major probl

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

--- In LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com, Boyd Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- On Sun, 6/29/08, Zack Bass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Interesting theory. Barr is accused of taking an anti-libertarian > stance on Immigration, and your defense of him is to state that YOU > TOO are a

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

Believe it or not, I was actually thinking about something along the lines of some of what what you say below. It seems that all the things that have gone wrong are tied up and tangled up together. As if it were some big bunch of tangled and knotted ropes, with a bunch of branches thrown into

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

At 01:53 PM 6/29/2008, you wrote: --- On Sun, 6/29/08, Zack Bass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Interesting theory. Barr is accused of taking an anti-libertarian stance on Immigration, and your defense of him is to state that YOU TOO are anti-libertarian on this issue.

Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

--- On Sun, 6/29/08, Zack Bass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Interesting theory. Barr is accused of taking an anti-libertarian stance on Immigration, and your defense of him is to state that YOU TOO are anti-libertarian on this issue. To stop me, a U.S. Citizen, from inviting my foreign friends to c

[LibertarianEnterprise] Re: QED:Laughing Out Loud and then Crying

Interesting theory. Barr is accused of taking an anti-libertarian stance on Immigration, and your defense of him is to state that YOU TOO are anti-libertarian on this issue. To stop me, a U.S. Citizen, from inviting my foreign friends to come visit me, is definitely anti-libertarian. There is n