Re: [License-discuss] step by step interpretation of common permissive licenses

2017-01-13 Thread Massimo Zaniboni
if we have this license: "Permission to use, copy, modify, and/or distribute this software for any purpose with or without fee is hereby granted, provided that the above copyright notice and this permission notice appear in all copies, and that the modified source code is released."

Re: [License-discuss] step by step interpretation of common permissive licenses

2017-01-13 Thread Massimo Zaniboni
On 13/01/2017 20:29, John Cowan wrote: When the BSD/ISC/MIT licenses say that you must include the text of the license in derivative works, that's exactly what is meant: the words of the license must be provided as part of the documentation. It does not mean that they must be incorporated

Re: [License-discuss] step by step interpretation of common permissive licenses

2017-01-13 Thread Massimo Zaniboni
ormalized grammar suitable for context-free parsing; more importantly, judges aren't compilers. Ok I see your point of view: every sentence of written language if analyzed in a too much formal way, can lose its true meaning. According this, I 100% agree with you for MIT license, because it st

Re: [License-discuss] step by step interpretation of common permissive licenses

2017-01-13 Thread John Cowan
aybe discuss? I added a comment to your post saying this: Your conclusions are incorrect because you are jumping to a single conclusion that is not justified. When the BSD/ISC/MIT licenses say that you must include the text of the license in derivative works, that's exactly what is mean

Re: [License-discuss] step by step interpretation of common permissive licenses

2017-01-13 Thread Chuck Swiger
Hi, Larry-- Computer grammars can have context-free parsers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Context-free_grammar The phrase I used was as much a term of art from computer language / formal grammar theory, much as the terms of a software license involve terms of art from the law. Regards

Re: [License-discuss] step by step interpretation of common permissive licenses

2017-01-13 Thread Lawrence Rosen
often write or review licenses without a standard grammar. And then they assume that licensees are mind-readers or "compilers" of that legal code. That's the world we live in. Please don't disparage developers alone for this problem. /Larry -Original Message- F

Re: [License-discuss] step by step interpretation of common permissive licenses

2017-01-13 Thread Chuck Swiger
itable for context-free parsing; more importantly, judges aren't compilers. > This is the case for BSD-2, MIT, and ISC license. Instead Apache-2 license > can be followed in a precise way, and its "step by step" interpretation > implies exactly its intended meaning. > > The

[License-discuss] step by step interpretation of common permissive licenses

2017-01-13 Thread Massimo Zaniboni
uot;border-line" interpretation. This is the case for BSD-2, MIT, and ISC license. Instead Apache-2 license can be followed in a precise way, and its "step by step" interpretation implies exactly its intended meaning. The analysis is in this mine blog-post: http://another-ticke

Re: [License-discuss] notes on a systematic approach to "popular" licenses

2017-01-11 Thread John Cowan
ne of the simple pleasures in life --Jeni Tennison _______ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org https://lists.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss

[License-discuss] list currently on opensource.org/licenses [was Re: notes on a systematic approach to "popular" licenses]

2017-01-10 Thread Luis Villa
0 (which of course didn't exist in 2006 and > which is significantly different from MPL 1.1) > I'm not sure "significantly" is quite the right word, at least when compared to GPL v2->v3. The primary feature of the license (the file-level copyleft) is intended to have the s

Re: [License-discuss] notes on a systematic approach to "popular" licenses

2017-01-10 Thread Henrik Ingo
of this discussion, if we look at Black Duck's list: https://www.blackducksoftware.com/top-open-source-licenses ...I can see 2-4 such thresholds: Threshold 1: The 3rd license is 7% ahead of the 4th Threshold 2: The 4th license is 3% ahead of the 5th Threshold 3: The 8th license is 2% ahead of the 9th

Re: [License-discuss] notes on a systematic approach to "popular" licenses

2017-01-10 Thread Richard Fontana
maintain OSI's reputation as being (reasonably) neutral and independent, > OSI should probably avoid basing this on third-party license surveys > (e.g., Black > Duck <https://www.blackducksoftware.com/top-open-source-licenses>) unless > their methodologies and data sources are well-do

Re: [License-discuss] notes on a systematic approach to "popular" licenses

2017-01-10 Thread Richard Fontana
ng: * Changes MPL 1.1 to MPL 2.0 (which of course didn't exist in 2006 and which is significantly different from MPL 1.1) * In contrast to MPL, the existence of significantly different OSI-approved versions of the GPL and LGPL is ignored * Ignores the fact that CDDL's current license st

Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] notes on a systematic approach to "popular" licenses

2017-01-10 Thread Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY RDECOM ARL (US)
Got it, thank you for the clarification. Thanks, Cem Karan > -Original Message- > From: License-discuss [mailto:license-discuss-boun...@opensource.org] On > Behalf Of Luis Villa > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 2:01 PM > To: license-discuss@opensource.org > Sub

Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] notes on a systematic approach to "popular" licenses

2017-01-10 Thread Luis Villa
stuff. So, is there a method of > weighting the list based on unavoidable factors? > > Thanks, > Cem Karan > > > -Original Message- > > From: License-discuss [mailto:license-discuss-boun...@opensource.org] > On Behalf Of Luis Villa > > Sent: Tuesday, J

Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] notes on a systematic approach to "popular" licenses

2017-01-10 Thread Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY RDECOM ARL (US)
, as for some of us these are the only licenses we're permitted to use, but we'd still like to be Open Sourcing our stuff. So, is there a method of weighting the list based on unavoidable factors? Thanks, Cem Karan > -Original Message- > From: License-discuss [mailto:license-discus

[License-discuss] notes on a systematic approach to "popular" licenses

2017-01-10 Thread Luis Villa
Here goes. *tl;dr* I think OSI should have an data-driven short license list with a replicable and transparent methodology, supplemented by a new-and-good(?) list that captures licenses that aren't yet popular but are high quality and have some substantial improvement that advances the go

Re: [License-discuss] Is the OBM License OSD compatible?

2017-01-06 Thread Richard Fontana
hey permit "Additional Permissions" which are defined in > > the license, Sec 7, as "terms that supplement the terms of this > > License *by making exceptions from one or more of its conditions*." > > The section 7, titled "Additional Terms", permits

Re: [License-discuss] Is the OBM License OSD compatible?

2017-01-06 Thread Gervase Markham
On 06/01/17 17:09, Smith, McCoy wrote: > GPLv3 (and the variants, LGPLv3 and AGPLv3) do *not* permit > "Additional Terms" (despite the section header called "Additional > Terms"); they permit "Additional Permissions" which are defined in > the license,

Re: [License-discuss] Is the OBM License OSD compatible?

2017-01-06 Thread Smith, McCoy
A point of potential pedantry or careful license interpretation: GPLv3 (and the variants, LGPLv3 and AGPLv3) do *not* permit "Additional Terms" (despite the section header called "Additional Terms"); they permit "Additional Permissions" which are defined in

Re: [License-discuss] Is the OBM License OSD compatible?

2017-01-06 Thread Gervase Markham
On 06/01/17 10:55, Rick Moen wrote: > Would that it were so. Lingora characterise their additions near the top as > 'Additional Terms pursuant to Section 7 of said license', and clearly > intend this to refer _not_ to additional permissions, but rather to > this bit slightly furth

Re: [License-discuss] Is the OBM License OSD compatible?

2017-01-06 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Gervase Markham (g...@mozilla.org): > That page says: > > "OBM is an Free and Open Source messaging and collaboration software, > distributed under the GNU Affero GPL v3 License terms, with Additional > Terms pursuant to Section 7 of said license." > >

Re: [License-discuss] Is the OBM License OSD compatible?

2017-01-06 Thread Gervase Markham
On 06/01/17 03:48, Marc Laporte wrote: > The OBM license is AGPL 3 + "Additional Terms": > http://obm.org/content/obm-license That page says: "OBM is an Free and Open Source messaging and collaboration software, distributed under the GNU Affero GPL v3 License terms,

Re: [License-discuss] Is the OBM License OSD compatible?

2017-01-05 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Marc Laporte (m...@marclaporte.com): > Hello! > > The OBM license is AGPL 3 + "Additional Terms": Whenever I see *GPL + 'Additional Terms', I immediately think 'Oh, this is going to be yet another badgewear licence. Back in the middle 2000s when there was a full-co

[License-discuss] Is the OBM License OSD compatible?

2017-01-05 Thread Marc Laporte
Hello! The OBM license is AGPL 3 + "Additional Terms": http://obm.org/content/obm-license I'd like to know if you think it's OSD compatible and why or why not. Thanks! -- Marc Laporte http://WikiSuite.org http://PluginProblems.com http:/

Re: [License-discuss] Groups/Communities

2017-01-05 Thread J Lovejoy
legal team: discussions specific to issues arising around SPDX and the SPDX License List, but these can often reflect broader implications related to open source licenses. https://spdx.org/legal-team Jilayne _______ License-discuss mailing list License-disc

Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Groups/Communities

2017-01-05 Thread Henrik Ingo
| | || | || || | || | ||| | ||| > > Patrick Masson > General Manager & Director, Open Source Initiative > 855 El Camino Real, Ste 13A, #270 > Palo Alto, CA 94301 > United States > Office: (415) 857-5398 > Mobile: (970) 4MASSON > Email: mas...@opensource.org &g

Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Groups/Communities

2017-01-04 Thread Patrick Masson
le: (970) 4MASSON Email: mas...@opensource.org Website: www.opensource.org ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org https://lists.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss

Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Groups/Communities

2017-01-04 Thread Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY RDECOM ARL (US)
Hi Patrick, if you poke through the archives for the license-discuss mailing list, you'll find some discussion under ARL Open Source license. There is also some discussion at the very bottom of https://github.com/presidential-innovation-fellows/code-gov-web/issues/41, and https://github.com

[License-discuss] Groups/Communities

2017-01-04 Thread Patrick Masson
.org ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org https://lists.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-13 Thread Rick Moen
ion. You're welcome. My perception at the time was that everyone on license-review agreed that CC0 was OSD-compliant, because even if the public domain dedication doesn't achieve the desired effect in particular jurisdictions, the fallback permissive terms (clause 3) clearly was in itself OSD-complian

Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Re: Views on React licensing?

2016-12-13 Thread Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY RDECOM ARL (US)
> -Original Message- > From: License-discuss [mailto:license-discuss-boun...@opensource.org] On > Behalf Of Tzeng, Nigel H. > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 1:28 PM > To: license-discuss@opensource.org > Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [License-discuss] Views

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-13 Thread Tzeng, Nigel H.
On 12/13/16, 12:07 PM, "License-discuss on behalf of Richard Fontana" <license-discuss-boun...@opensource.org on behalf of font...@opensource.org> wrote: >If the US government standardizes on some particular explicit patent >language to use with CC0 I would welcome OSI revi

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-13 Thread Richard Fontana
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 04:17:03PM +, Tzeng, Nigel H. wrote: > With or without OSI approval CC0 appears to be an accepted open source > license to the US Government. > > > https://code.gov/ > > "We understand OSI's reservations (which relate to the lack of

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-13 Thread Tzeng, Nigel H.
bound license and the new form of institutional contribution agreement. These revisions were designed to accommodate concerns about the reach of the patent license provisions in the contributor agreement. The patent license provision was modified so that no license would be granted to pa

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-13 Thread Tzeng, Nigel H.
With or without OSI approval CC0 appears to be an accepted open source license to the US Government. https://code.gov/ "We understand OSI's reservations (which relate to the lack of explicit patent language), but are comfortable with our assessment that CC0 meets the definition of open s

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-13 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 1:17 AM, Rick Moen <r...@linuxmafia.com> wrote: > Quoting Henrik Ingo (henrik.i...@avoinelama.fi): > >> Good to remember that CC0 is not an OSI approved open source license, >> precisely because it did not grant a patent license. >

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-12 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Henrik Ingo (henrik.i...@avoinelama.fi): > Good to remember that CC0 is not an OSI approved open source license, > precisely because it did not grant a patent license. As someone who was part of that conversation, I feel the above doesn't accurately summarise its substance: W

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-12 Thread Lawrence Rosen
wn customers, not a derogation of their right to do so. In any event, I won't any longer lose sleep over this hypothetical. MIT is a friend of mine. I hope they help me if I'm sued. :-) Which doesn't address the question: "Views on patent licensing?" /Larry From: License-discuss [mailt

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-12 Thread John Cowan
e deal between Yoyodyne and MIT. > Now this I do not understand. If Yoyodyne is the exclusive licensee, then surely it has the right to sue/enjoin you as a user of their patented technology, and your claim to have a subsequent license from the former patent holder isn't going to help you, particu

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-12 Thread Lawrence Rosen
John, my responses below. This is not legal advice! :-) /Larry From: John Cowan [mailto:co...@ccil.org] Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 12:58 PM To: lro...@rosenlaw.com; license-discuss@opensource.org Subject: Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing? On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 2

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-12 Thread John Cowan
On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Lawrence Rosen <lro...@rosenlaw.com> wrote: Competence wasn't the real issue. The legal and technical effort required > by any large organization to avoid incompatible patent license grants can > be huge. Instead they said simply: "Here is this

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-12 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 7:55 PM, Lawrence Rosen <lro...@rosenlaw.com> wrote: > Henrik Ingo wrote: > > MIT is on record as saying that the MIT license, which is otherwise > equivalent to the 2-clause BSD license, does *not* grant a patent license. I just wanted to catch

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-12 Thread Lawrence Rosen
John Cowan wrote: > what, is MIT so incompetent they haven't kept track of what patent licenses > they have issued? Apprarently so. Competence wasn't the real issue. The legal and technical effort required by any large organization to avoid incompatible patent license grants can b

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-12 Thread John Cowan
of the Brode license (which ended up not being approved). The Brode license provided that any pre-existing patent grant by MIT pre-empted rights granted under the license, which a lot of us really didn't like -- what, is MIT so incompetent they haven't kept track of what patent licenses they

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-12 Thread Lawrence Rosen
Henrik Ingo wrote: MIT is on record as saying that the MIT license, which is otherwise equivalent to the 2-clause BSD license, does *not* grant a patent license. I also would like to see a reference to that written statement. But I believe it to be true only if it means: . . . does

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-12 Thread Alex Rousskov
On 12/12/2016 10:05 AM, John Cowan wrote: > On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 5:44 AM, Henrik Ingo wrote: >> Many people, including significant producers of BSD software, believe >> that the BSD license is also a patent license. > MIT is on record as saying that the MIT license,

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-12 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016, John Cowan wrote: On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 5:44 AM, Henrik Ingo <henrik.i...@avoinelama.fi> wrote: Many people, including significant producers of BSD software, believe that the BSD license is also a patent license. MIT is on record as saying that t

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-12 Thread John Cowan
On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 5:44 AM, Henrik Ingo <henrik.i...@avoinelama.fi> wrote: Many people, including significant producers of BSD software, believe > that the BSD license is also a patent license. > MIT is on record as saying that the MIT license, which is otherwise equivalent to

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-12 Thread Henrik Ingo
t patents or copyrights. The point is that taking >>an OSI approved license and making additions to it by adding a separate >>file with additional terms and conditions, results in a combination which >>as a whole is not OSI approved open source license. It is no different >>from taking

Re: [License-discuss] drbdmanage EULA conforming to DFSG?

2016-12-11 Thread Ian Jackson
(Resending a similar mail to d-legal because my previous attempt was rejected by the OSI listserver.) Markus Frosch writes ("drbdmanage EULA conforming to DFSG?"): > I, myself, would consider the license non-free in terms of DFSG, due to this > paragraph: > > > 3

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-07 Thread Joshua Drake
> > So, of course you can, irrespective of what Nigel suggested, > redistribute RHEL without a trademark license from Red Hat. _And_ all > of the software is open source. > > Case in point, CentOS did it for *years* before RH started sp

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-07 Thread Simon Phipps
in that light. OSD 7 deals with the situation where a license might have effects predicated on completion of a licensing process elsewhere. For example, a license that required completion of an NDA, or the securing of a support agreement, or compliance with a trademark license, should not pass OSD 7

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-07 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Ben Tilly (bti...@gmail.com): > Item 1 of the OSD says, "The license shall not restrict any party from > selling or giving away the software as a component of an aggregate software > distribution containing programs from several different sources. The > license shall not

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-06 Thread Lawrence Rosen
Ben Tilly wrote: > Item 1 of the OSD says, "The license shall not restrict any party from > selling or giving away the software as a component of an aggregate software > distribution containing programs from several different sources. The license > shall not require a roy

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-06 Thread Ben Tilly
Item 1 of the OSD says, "The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away the software as a component of an aggregate software distribution containing programs from several different sources. The license shall not require a royalty or other fee for such sale."

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-06 Thread Lawrence Rosen
Nigel Tzeng wrote: So Larry and Ben, is RHEL is not open source because you cannot redistribute RHEL without a trademark license from RedHat? [] But you can redistribute RHEL if you don't modify it. If you modify it, apply a different trademark to distinguish it in the marketplace

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-06 Thread Tzeng, Nigel H.
So Larry and Ben, is RHEL is not open source because you cannot redistribute RHEL without a trademark license from RedHat? If an explicit patent grant is a requirement for open source should an explicit trademark grant also be required? Does CPAL provide an implicit permission to use

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-06 Thread Ben Tilly
Looking at the open source definition, it should be able apply to any license of any kind. The argument is that the patent grant is not open source because the inability to continue using the software after suing Facebook for patent infringement is a "price". However you are una

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-06 Thread Lawrence Rosen
OSD #7 has something to say about an "additional license" being needed for software: 7. Distribution of License The rights attached to the program must apply to all to whom the program is redistributed without the need for execution of an additional license by those parties.

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-06 Thread Tzeng, Nigel H.
On 12/6/16, 3:33 PM, "henrik.i...@gmail.com on behalf of Henrik Ingo" <henrik.i...@gmail.com on behalf of henrik.i...@avoinelama.fi> wrote: >The question isn't about patents or copyrights. The point is that taking >an OSI approved license and making additions to it by a

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-06 Thread John Cowan
On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Henrik Ingo <henrik.i...@avoinelama.fi> wrote: Especially in this case, where it is debatable whether the patent > grant adds or removes rights compared to plain BSD. > Inevitably so, since the BSD license family either grants no patent rights

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-06 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Tzeng, Nigel H. <nigel.tz...@jhuapl.edu> wrote: > On 12/5/16, 6:55 AM, "License-discuss on behalf of Henrik Ingo" > <license-discuss-boun...@opensource.org on behalf of > henrik.i...@avoinelama.fi> wrote: >>On Fri, Dec 2, 2

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-06 Thread Tzeng, Nigel H.
On 12/5/16, 6:55 AM, "License-discuss on behalf of Henrik Ingo" <license-discuss-boun...@opensource.org on behalf of henrik.i...@avoinelama.fi> wrote: >On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 6:26 AM, Richard Fontana <font...@opensource.org> >wrote: >> - is it good practice,

Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Re: Views on React licensing?

2016-12-05 Thread Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY RDECOM ARL (US)
> -Original Message- > From: License-discuss [mailto:license-discuss-boun...@opensource.org] On > Behalf Of Henrik Ingo > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 6:55 AM > To: license-discuss@opensource.org > Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [License-discuss] Views on React lic

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-05 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 6:26 AM, Richard Fontana <font...@opensource.org> wrote: > - is it good practice, and does it affect the open source status of > software, to supplement OSI-approved licenses with separate patent > license grants or nonasserts? (This has been don

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-04 Thread Eli Greenbaum
assessing the propriety of the patent termination provision: http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1637=iplj (page 43) -Eli _______ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org https://lists.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman

Re: [License-discuss] Using opensource in a company not in the software business

2016-12-02 Thread Christopher Sean Morrison
Etienne, You may also want to look at https://tldrlegal.com/ <https://tldrlegal.com/> as it’s a site that tries to simplify license understanding. Of course, still pay attention to the full text of any license you work with and seek legal consultation as warranted, but maybe a useful re

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-02 Thread Richard Fontana
On Thu, Dec 01, 2016 at 11:26:03PM -0500, Richard Fontana wrote: > > The OSI has received several inquiries concerning its opinion on the > licensing of React Another reference: Facebook has published a brief FAQ on what it calls the "Facebook BSD+Patents license": https:

Re: [License-discuss] Using opensource in a company not in the software business

2016-12-02 Thread FREJAVILLE Etienne
technologies.. I think the best is to start with licences that are clearly permissive for our situation, and have our legal department keep an eye on that. They’ll decide what to do for other situations more subtle. Best regards. Etienne De : License-discuss [mailto:license-discuss-boun

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
Personally, I am conflicted with the idea of exact conditions and requirements of a LICENSE not being fully specified in the LICENSE itself. It almost seems like a way to "get around" at least OSI approval, plus it adds (IMO) confusion. It is quite possible to have an OSI approved li

Re: [License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-01 Thread Christopher Sean Morrison
gt; Legal [3] (which among other things argues that the React patent > license is not open source). Luis Villa wrote an interesting response > [4]. Mr. Pierce’s first criticism point about the grant itself being unnecessary is spot on to me. One cannot "use the software” without imp

[License-discuss] Views on React licensing?

2016-12-01 Thread Richard Fontana
The OSI has received several inquiries concerning its opinion on the licensing of React [1], which is essentially the 3-clause BSD license along with, in a separate file, an 'Additional Grant of Patent Rights' [2]. The Additional Grant of Patent Rights is a patent license grant that includes

Re: [License-discuss] Using opensource in a company not in the software business

2016-11-29 Thread Radcliffe, Mark
And being compliant is the right thing to do. From: License-discuss [mailto:license-discuss-boun...@opensource.org] On Behalf Of Ben Tilly Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 10:32 AM To: License Discuss Subject: Re: [License-discuss] Using opensource in a company not in the software business

Re: [License-discuss] Using opensource in a company not in the software business

2016-11-29 Thread Ben Tilly
. Many lawyers think that the GPL FAQ is overly optimistic about how much power the license will have if litigated. On the other hand staying within its suggestions greatly limits the odds of problems down the road. In general each open source license aims to allay some fear that the author

Re: [License-discuss] Using opensource in a company not in the software business

2016-11-29 Thread John Cowan
the quotes are chosen at random by a script from <http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan/signatures>, but sometimes I choose one on purpose. I've been collecting and using them for 30+ years. ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http

Re: [License-discuss] Using opensource in a company not in the software business

2016-11-29 Thread FREJAVILLE Etienne
de if he wants. E.g , if displaydate.js is an open source library released under the LPGP licence, in our code: would be an incorrect usage, whereas: http://www.yahoo.com/displaydate.js&quot</a>;> would be a correct usage. Is it correct ? Thank you. Cordialement, Best regards. Etienne De

Re: [License-discuss] Is OSI still alive?

2016-11-28 Thread Richard Fontana
On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 06:01:40PM +, Tzeng, Nigel H. wrote: > Just curious as I get crickets in license-review. > > I guess it must still be alive as I got asked for a donation...but an update > on NOSA v2 and UCL would be nice. Sorry Nigel, I have now responded on license-revi

Re: [License-discuss] Using opensource in a company not in the software business

2016-11-28 Thread Radcliffe, Mark
+meeker From: License-discuss [mailto:license-discuss-boun...@opensource.org] On Behalf Of Ben Tilly Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 11:44 AM To: License Discuss Cc: c...@theiet.org Subject: Re: [License-discuss] Using opensource in a company not in the software business Nigel's list is biased

Re: [License-discuss] Using opensource in a company not in the software business

2016-11-28 Thread Ben Tilly
a lawyer and the license. And don't rely on opinions from a mailing list. One final note, I would recommend that it may be worth your while to find a lawyer with open source experience, and not just familiarity with intellectual property. Open source licenses are somewhat unusual, and there are common

Re: [License-discuss] Is OSI still alive?

2016-11-28 Thread Ben Tilly
Define alive. This mailing list works... On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 10:01 AM, Tzeng, Nigel H. <nigel.tz...@jhuapl.edu> wrote: > Just curious as I get crickets in license-review. > > I guess it must still be alive as I got asked for a donation…but an update > on NOSA v2 and

Re: [License-discuss] Using opensource in a company not in the software business

2016-11-28 Thread Tzeng, Nigel H.
app or Windows/MacOS/Linux program is an issue. On your internal server if you used any AGPL code it may be an issue. Your normal lawyer should be able to find you an IP lawyer but you might as well start going over your code base. Regards, Nigel From: License-discuss <license-discuss-b

Re: [License-discuss] Using opensource in a company not in the software business

2016-11-28 Thread Cinly Ooi
You _are_ in the software business. The correct person to evaluate your case is your lawyer. As Woolley said, regardless of which the license of the software you choose uses, you still have responsibility under open source license, and your customers have expectations as provided

Re: [License-discuss] Using opensource in a company not in the software business

2016-11-28 Thread David Woolley
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[License-discuss] Using opensource in a company not in the software business

2016-11-28 Thread FREJAVILLE Etienne
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[License-discuss] Tomorrow's PD: Identifying Comprehensive Science Curriculum

2016-10-25 Thread Karen Peake
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Re: [License-discuss] Creative Commons vs private content

2016-10-21 Thread David Woolley
On 21/10/16 13:47, Stephen Paul Weber wrote: Any license that divides the world into groups of "these people may see this work, but those other people may not" That doesn't even sound like the job for a license, but for a privacy policy / terms of use. Licenses are te

Re: [License-discuss] Creative Commons vs private content

2016-10-21 Thread Stephen Paul Weber
> Any license that divides the world into groups of "these people may see this > work, but those other people may not"  That doesn't even sound like the job for a license, but for a privacy policy / terms of use. ___ License-disc

Re: [License-discuss] Creative Commons vs private content

2016-10-21 Thread Joel Ray Holveck
Commons licenses always let me download a cultural work (such as a photograph) and give it to my neighbor. Any license that divides the world into groups of "these people may see this work, but those other people may not" is not an open source license. Similarly, the Creative Common

Re: [License-discuss] Creative Commons vs private content

2016-10-20 Thread Tzeng, Nigel H.
site and serve the watermarked version to non-members with a CC-BY-NC-ND license (or not at all) and the original version to members with a less restrictive CC license. You cannot AFAIK attach any additional restrictions as CC notes in the human readable license text: * No additional

Re: [License-discuss] Creative Commons vs private content

2016-10-20 Thread Maarten Zeinstra
Maarten Zeinstra from Creative Commons Netherlands here. You would have no problems limiting access to those files. However you have to understand that you cannot limit reuse of those files if they are licensed using a Creative Commons license. If a member of your community decided to download

Re: [License-discuss] Creative Commons vs private content

2016-10-20 Thread Stephen Paul Weber
> Are the two concepts above in conflict with the CC license? Is a different > license required for that specific content - or some rider attached to the > general license? One is copyright, one is privacy/visibility. Not even related, so there should be no

[License-discuss] Creative Commons vs private content

2016-10-20 Thread Richard Grevers
content and a CC-BY-SA license. naturally there are restrictions on who can create content. 1) There is some content created by us which is members-only for various reasons - privacy laws/confidentiality, or simply withheld as an incentive to actually join the organisation. 2) There is also some

[License-discuss] Free Public License/0 Clause BSD License with Zlib Warranty Disclaimer

2016-09-24 Thread Nate Craun
Hello All, I was looking at the Free Public License/Zero Clause BSD License, and I saw that its warranty disclaimer is a lot longer/more capitalized than the zlib warranty disclaimer. The Free Public License says: THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS" AND THE AUTHOR DISCLAIMS ALL

Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] The License Talking-About List

2016-08-25 Thread Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY RDECOM ARL (US)
We've used GitLab before, and we like it as well. Might be a good way to go too. Thanks, Cem Karan > -Original Message- > From: License-discuss [mailto:license-discuss-boun...@opensource.org] On > Behalf Of Rick Moen > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 6:29 PM > To:

Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] The License Talking-About List

2016-08-24 Thread Rick Moen
[cross-post to license-review, snipped.] Quoting Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY RDECOM ARL (US) (cem.f.karan@mail.mil): > What about GitHub? Using a proprietary hosting platform for outsourced tracking of open-source licenses? Could work, but that risks punishment by the Gods of Irony.

Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: U.S. Army Research Laboratory Open Source License (ARL OSL) 0.4.0

2016-08-24 Thread Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY RDECOM ARL (US)
> -Original Message- > From: License-discuss [mailto:license-discuss-boun...@opensource.org] On > Behalf Of Tzeng, Nigel H. > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 5:02 PM > To: license-discuss@opensource.org > Subject: Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Re: [Non-DoD Source

Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] The License Talking-About List

2016-08-24 Thread Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY RDECOM ARL (US)
What about GitHub? There have been suggestions on the Python-ideas list to do this for any new python ideas. The idea is simple; each license becomes its own project. Issues can then be tracked via the issue tracker, making it easy to segregate the issues into individual threads

Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: U.S. Army Research Laboratory Open Source License (ARL OSL) 0.4.0

2016-08-24 Thread Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY RDECOM ARL (US)
OK, so it's the way I thought. First, propose a license on this list for discussion, but the actual review takes place on the license-review mailing list. Thanks, Cem Karan > -Original Message- > From: License-discuss [mailto:license-discuss-boun...@opensource.org] On &g

[License-discuss] The License Talking-About List

2016-08-22 Thread Lawrence Rosen
Cem Karan wrote: > I'm aware of the other list, but my understanding was that it had to be > submitted to this list for discussion first, and then submitted to > license-review once there was some consensus; am I wrong about this? Cem, please don't feel bad about your confusion.

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