names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-04 Thread Mark Polesky
Usually when I propose things like this, they're shot down pretty fast, but here goes anyway. It took me a while to mentally connect the names of the vertical spacing variables with their specific domains. For example, I think it's counterintuitive that 'after-title-spacing does *not* affect the

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-04 Thread Trevor Daniels
Mark Polesky wrote Monday, October 04, 2010 11:14 PM Usually when I propose things like this, they're shot down pretty fast, but here goes anyway. It took me a while to mentally connect the names of the vertical spacing variables with their specific domains. For example, I think it's counter

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-06 Thread Mark Polesky
I also think the name 'space is misleading; I propose 'default-distance.  Opinions? - Mark ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-06 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/6/10 9:46 AM, "Mark Polesky" wrote: > I also think the name 'space is misleading; I propose > 'default-distance.  Opinions? So then we'd have, for each item-item-spacing entry default-distance -- the non-stretched distance between the upper item reference point and the lower item refer

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-06 Thread Trevor Daniels
Mark Polesky wrote Wednesday, October 06, 2010 4:46 PM I also think the name 'space is misleading; I propose 'default-distance. Opinions? I'd be happy with that change too. Mark Trevor ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-07 Thread Alexander Kobel
On 2010-10-06 17:46, Mark Polesky wrote: I also think the name 'space is misleading; I propose 'default-distance. Opinions? I can't see why 'space should be misleading, but that might just be that I'm accustomed to it by now. It's shorter, but anything other is okay as well. (Of course, thi

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-07 Thread Mark Polesky
IIUC, making all of these changes should be done in 5 steps: 1) rename the variables in the code files 2) change 'space to 'default-distance* in the code files 3) write rules for convert-ly 4) update affected regtests (?) 5) update the docs *or Alexander's "optimal-distance" (still open to debate

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-07 Thread David Kastrup
Mark Polesky writes: > IIUC, making all of these changes should be done in 5 steps: > > 1) rename the variables in the code files > 2) change 'space to 'default-distance* in the code files > 3) write rules for convert-ly > 4) update affected regtests (?) > 5) update the docs > > *or Alexander's "

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-07 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/7/10 1:44 AM, "Alexander Kobel" wrote: > On 2010-10-06 17:46, Mark Polesky wrote: >> I also think the name 'space is misleading; I propose >> 'default-distance. Opinions? > > I can't see why 'space should be misleading, but that might just be that > I'm accustomed to it by now. It's s

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-07 Thread Alexander Kobel
On 2010-10-07 15:53, Carl Sorensen wrote: I like base-; it's shorter to type, and it still carries the right connotation. +1. Cheers, Alexander ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-de

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-07 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/7/10 7:51 AM, "Valentin Villenave" wrote: > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Carl Sorensen wrote: >> I think I'd prefer desired-distance to optimal-distance.  optimal distance >> is what the algorithms actually end up with, as a tradeoff between desired >> distance and the amount of stuf

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-07 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Carl Sorensen wrote: > I think I'd prefer desired-distance to optimal-distance.  optimal distance > is what the algorithms actually end up with, as a tradeoff between desired > distance and the amount of stuff on a page. How about requested- rather than desired-?

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-07 Thread David Kastrup
Carl Sorensen writes: > On 10/7/10 7:51 AM, "Valentin Villenave" wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Carl Sorensen wrote: >>> I think I'd prefer desired-distance to optimal-distance.  optimal distance >>> is what the algorithms actually end up with, as a tradeoff between desired >>> dis

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-07 Thread Mark Polesky
Enough votes are in for 'base-distance (and you can add my vote as well), so I think that settles it.  But I still need people to comment on 1) the patch: http://codereview.appspot.com/2303044 and 2) the approach: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2010-10/msg00095.html Two more q

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-07 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 07:59:25AM -0700, Mark Polesky wrote: > 1) Pardon my ignorance, but do we ever run convert-ly on the > regtests? I'd consider that as part of 1288. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://l

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-07 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/7/10 8:59 AM, "Mark Polesky" wrote: > Enough votes are in for 'base-distance (and you can add my > vote as well), so I think that settles it.  But I still need > people to comment on > > 1) the patch: > http://codereview.appspot.com/2303044 The patch looks fine to me. > > and > > 2)

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-08 Thread Mark Polesky
Carl Sorensen wrote: > Does before-title-spacing apply at the top of the first > page, or only between scores? "before-title-spacing" does *not* apply at the top of the first page, even when print-first-page-number is #t (to force a header). > Does between-scores-system-spacing apply only to the

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-08 Thread Xavier Scheuer
On 8 October 2010 09:14, Mark Polesky wrote: > > [...] > > This leaves: > > CURRENT NAME           PROPOSED NAME >           - > top-system             top-system     (no change) > top-title              top-markup > between-title          markup-markup > after-title      

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-08 Thread Mark Polesky
(Carl et al.: please read at least the last paragraph!) Xavier Scheuer wrote: > The previous names were quite easy to understand (although > it was a bit difficult due to the large number of such > variables) but I don't catch at first sight the meaning of > the new proposed ones... Well, in the

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-08 Thread David Kastrup
Mark Polesky writes: > (Carl et al.: please read at least the last paragraph!) > > Xavier Scheuer wrote: >> The previous names were quite easy to understand (although >> it was a bit difficult due to the large number of such >> variables) but I don't catch at first sight the meaning of >> the new

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-09 Thread Mark Polesky
(David, see the note at the end of this post) It's not that I want to split hairs; I want to get the new variable names right the first time. My apologies to any of you who are getting tired with this process. My current (and hopefully final) proposal is now this: CURRENT NAME PROPOSE

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-09 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/9/10 9:46 AM, "Mark Polesky" wrote: > * * * * * * * * * * > > "before-title-spacing" applies to these cases: > 1) from last system in a score to top-level markup. > 2) from last system of one score to scoreTitleMarkup of >another score. > > Within the proposed naming scheme, the 2 cho

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-09 Thread Trevor Daniels
Mark Polesky wrote Saturday, October 09, 2010 4:46 PM It's not that I want to split hairs; I want to get the new variable names right the first time. My apologies to any of you who are getting tired with this process. :) Yes, thanks! I'm afraid I'm no longer following this discussion suff

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-09 Thread Joe Neeman
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Carl Sorensen wrote: > On 10/9/10 9:46 AM, "Mark Polesky" wrote: > > > * * * * * * * * * * > > > > "before-title-spacing" applies to these cases: > > 1) from last system in a score to top-level markup. > > 2) from last system of one score to scoreTitleMarkup of >

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-09 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/9/10 10:52 AM, "Joe Neeman" wrote: > > > On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Carl Sorensen wrote: >> On 10/9/10 9:46 AM, "Mark Polesky" wrote: >> * * * * * * * * * * "before-title-spacing" applies to these cases: 1) from last system in a score to top-level markup. >

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-09 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Oct 09, 2010 at 05:50:49PM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: > > Mark Polesky wrote Saturday, October 09, 2010 4:46 PM > > >It's not that I want to split hairs; I want to get the new > >variable names right the first time. My apologies to any of > >you who are getting tired with this process.

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-10 Thread Mark Polesky
Here's an updated patch set for review: http://codereview.appspot.com/2303044/ It's organized into 5 commits on my local branch: 1) Rename vertical spacing dimensions. 2) Update convert-ly (vertical spacing). 3) Run convert-ly on affected regtests (vert. spacing). 4) Revise regtest texidoc headers

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-11 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/10/10 12:56 PM, "Mark Polesky" wrote: > Here's an updated patch set for review: > http://codereview.appspot.com/2303044/ > > It's organized into 5 commits on my local branch: > 1) Rename vertical spacing dimensions. > 2) Update convert-ly (vertical spacing). > 3) Run convert-ly on affected

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Carl Sorensen wrote: > On 10/10/10 12:56 PM, "Mark Polesky" wrote: > >> ...but Rietveld meshed them all into one.  So, once >> approved, I'll push it as a set of patches, not just one. > > Why not push it as one patch?  It seems like all of those pieces need > to

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Alexander Kobel
On 2010-10-09 17:46, Mark Polesky wrote: CURRENT NAME PROPOSED NAME - top-system top-system top-title top-markup between-title markup-markup after-titlemarkup-system between-system system-system bef

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread James
Hello, On 12/10/2010 10:13, Alexander Kobel wrote: On 2010-10-09 17:46, Mark Polesky wrote: CURRENT NAME PROPOSED NAME - top-system top-system top-title top-markup between-title markup-markup after-title markup-system between-system system-system before-title system-mar

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread David Kastrup
James writes: > Hello, > > On 12/10/2010 10:13, Alexander Kobel wrote: >> On 2010-10-09 17:46, Mark Polesky wrote: >>> CURRENT NAME PROPOSED NAME >>> - >>> top-system top-system >>> top-title top-markup >>> between-title markup-markup >>> after-title markup-system >>> bet

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Dmytro O. Redchuk
On Tue 12 Oct 2010, 13:54 David Kastrup wrote: > James writes: > >>> top-system top-system > >>> top-title top-markup > >>> between-title markup-markup > >>> after-title markup-system > >>> between-system system-system > >>> before-title system-markup > >>> bottom-system system-bottom > >>> betwee

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread James
Hello, On 12/10/2010 12:54, David Kastrup wrote: James writes: Hello, On 12/10/2010 10:13, Alexander Kobel wrote: On 2010-10-09 17:46, Mark Polesky wrote: CURRENT NAME PROPOSED NAME - top-system top-system top-title top-markup between-title markup-markup after-titl

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi James, > I still think a *user* (not programmer or code developer) is going to really > get frustrated when they don't know what a system is i.e... 'oh you mean the > stuff with the notes in...we call that a 'score' where I come from. The entire music engraving world -- not just Lilypond, bu

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Alexander Kobel
On 2010-10-12 14:27, James wrote: On 12/10/2010 12:54, David Kastrup wrote: James writes: Why do we have 'top-system' but 'system-bottom' and not instead, 'bottom-system'? Because there is no system after the bottom? ? I'll stop if I am really showing my ignorance (I am not a code develope

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Trevor Daniels
James wrote Tuesday, October 12, 2010 1:27 PM On 12/10/2010 12:54, David Kastrup wrote: James writes: Hello, On 12/10/2010 10:13, Alexander Kobel wrote: On 2010-10-09 17:46, Mark Polesky wrote: CURRENT NAME PROPOSED NAME - top-system top-system top-title top-mar

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Kobel writes: > On 2010-10-09 17:46, Mark Polesky wrote: >> CURRENT NAME PROPOSED NAME >> - >> top-system top-system >> top-title top-markup >> between-title markup-markup >> after-titlemarkup-sys

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Mark Polesky
David Kastrup wrote: > The main problem I see with that naming scheme is that it > does not reflect score sheet design, but the current > implementation. > > [...] > > So the proposed scheme ties something presented as document > spacing parameters into internal details of their > implementation.

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread David Kastrup
Mark Polesky writes: > David Kastrup wrote: >> The main problem I see with that naming scheme is that it >> does not reflect score sheet design, but the current >> implementation. >> >> [...] >> >> So the proposed scheme ties something presented as document >> spacing parameters into internal de

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 02:24:37PM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: > > >I'll stop if I am really showing my ignorance (I am not a code > >developer), > > I'm afraid you're showing your ignorance as a musician. > System and score are not synonomous. A system is a "line" > of music which includes the

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Wols Lists
On 12/10/10 00:55, Graham Percival wrote: >> Why not push it as one patch? It seems like all of those pieces need >> > to be accomplished in order to have a fully-buildable release (i.e. if the >> > variable names in lilypond don't match the variable names in the docs, >> > make doc will fail. >

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Wols Lists
On 12/10/10 14:02, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > Hi James, > >> I still think a *user* (not programmer or code developer) is going to really >> get frustrated when they don't know what a system is i.e... 'oh you mean the >> stuff with the notes in...we call that a 'score' where I come from. > The en

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/12/10 4:20 PM, "Wols Lists" wrote: > On 12/10/10 14:02, Kieren MacMillan wrote: >> Hi James, >> >>> I still think a *user* (not programmer or code developer) is going to really >>> get frustrated when they don't know what a system is i.e... 'oh you mean the >>> stuff with the notes in.

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Wols Lists
On 12/10/10 22:05, Graham Percival wrote: > On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 02:24:37PM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: >>> I'll stop if I am really showing my ignorance (I am not a code >>> developer), >> I'm afraid you're showing your ignorance as a musician. >> System and score are not synonomous. A syste

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Alexander Kobel
On 2010-10-13 00:20, Wols Lists wrote: On 12/10/10 14:02, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi James, [...] If Lilypond users are confused because they don't have an understanding of that basic and universal terminology, they should read (1) some engraving books, and (2) the Lilypond introductory doc

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 04:23:49PM -0600, Carl Sorensen wrote: > > On 10/12/10 4:20 PM, "Wols Lists" wrote: > > > For a musician to get that wrong is as seriously incompetent as for a > > computer guy to refer to a hard disk as ram (I know the > > man-in-the-street tends to call them both "memor

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Alexander Kobel
On 2010-10-13 00:27, Wols Lists wrote: Add "stave" to this. Actually, I would have defined a stave as a line of music, and a system as a group of linked staves played simultaneously. But that all depends on how you understand the word "line" :-) "Stave" or "staff"?! Are these identical? I tho

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/12/10 4:27 PM, "Wols Lists" wrote: > On 12/10/10 22:05, Graham Percival wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 02:24:37PM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: I'll stop if I am really showing my ignorance (I am not a code developer), >>> I'm afraid you're showing your ignorance as a musici

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 12:45:33AM +0200, Alexander Kobel wrote: > On 2010-10-13 00:27, Wols Lists wrote: > >Add "stave" to this. Actually, I would have defined a stave as a line of > >music, and a system as a group of linked staves played simultaneously. > >But that all depends on how you understa

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/12/10 4:51 PM, "Graham Percival" wrote: > On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 12:45:33AM +0200, Alexander Kobel wrote: >> On 2010-10-13 00:27, Wols Lists wrote: >>> Add "stave" to this. Actually, I would have defined a stave as a line of >>> music, and a system as a group of linked staves played sim

RE: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread James Lowe
Graham Percival Sent: Tue 12/10/2010 23:44 To: Carl Sorensen Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 04:23:49PM -0600, Carl Sorensen wrote: > > On 10/12/10 4:20 PM, "Wols Lists" wrote: > > > For a musician to

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival Yes, but I see some weaknesses in our docs. - Glossary: staff should link to system - Glossary: both staff and system could benefit from images - Learning: add some link(s) to Glossary: system. Currently we have none! gperc...@futoi:~/src/lilypond/Documentation/learning$ git

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Wols Lists
On 12/10/10 23:44, Graham Percival wrote: > On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 04:23:49PM -0600, Carl Sorensen wrote: >> On 10/12/10 4:20 PM, "Wols Lists" wrote: >> >>> For a musician to get that wrong is as seriously incompetent as for a >>> computer guy to refer to a hard disk as ram (I know the >>> man-i

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Wols Lists
On 12/10/10 23:45, Alexander Kobel wrote: > On 2010-10-13 00:27, Wols Lists wrote: >> Add "stave" to this. Actually, I would have defined a stave as a line of >> music, and a system as a group of linked staves played simultaneously. >> But that all depends on how you understand the word "line" :-)

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 04:58:42PM -0600, Carl Sorensen wrote: > > it is "staff" and "staves", according to the GDP rules: > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2007-09/msg00240.html Thanks! James, could you send me a patch for the CG? > Of course, Neil considered that a US bias

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-13 Thread David Kastrup
David Kastrup writes: > Mark Polesky writes: > >> David Kastrup wrote: >>> The main problem I see with that naming scheme is that it >>> does not reflect score sheet design, but the current >>> implementation. >>> >>> [...] >>> >>> So the proposed scheme ties something presented as document >>>

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-13 Thread Carl Sorensen
David Kastrup writes: > > > So my fear is that the new scheme is both strictly logical, and not > useful for specifying a coherent document layout. But the new scheme is just a restatement (renaming) of the current scheme. Mark is not trying to *redo* the document layout algorithms; he's tryi

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-13 Thread David Kastrup
Carl Sorensen writes: > David Kastrup writes: >> > >> >> So my fear is that the new scheme is both strictly logical, and not >> useful for specifying a coherent document layout. > > But the new scheme is just a restatement (renaming) of the current > scheme. The renaming moves from a document

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-13 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/13/10 8:29 AM, "David Kastrup" wrote: > Carl Sorensen writes: > >> David Kastrup writes: >>> >> >>> >>> So my fear is that the new scheme is both strictly logical, and not >>> useful for specifying a coherent document layout. >> >> But the new scheme is just a restatement (renamin

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-13 Thread David Kastrup
Carl Sorensen writes: > On 10/13/10 8:29 AM, "David Kastrup" wrote: > >> Carl Sorensen writes: >> >>> David Kastrup writes: >>> So my fear is that the new scheme is both strictly logical, and not useful for specifying a coherent document layout. >>> >>> But the new sch

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-13 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/13/10 2:40 PM, "David Kastrup" wrote: > Carl Sorensen writes: > >> On 10/13/10 8:29 AM, "David Kastrup" wrote: >> >>> Carl Sorensen writes: >>> David Kastrup writes: > > > So my fear is that the new scheme is both strictly logical, and not > useful for

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-14 Thread David Kastrup
Carl Sorensen writes: > On 10/13/10 2:40 PM, "David Kastrup" wrote: > >> The point is that we want a sane way of specifying document layout >> parameters. The current naming scheme resembles that desire. The >> current code not. Adapting the naming scheme to the deficiencies of >> the code is

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-14 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Thursday, October 14, 2010 8:42 AM Carl Sorensen writes: On 10/13/10 2:40 PM, "David Kastrup" wrote: The point is that we want a sane way of specifying document layout parameters. The current naming scheme resembles that desire. The current code not. Adapting the n

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-14 Thread David Kastrup
"Trevor Daniels" writes: > Although this is a good point, the problem is not as > stark as this might suggest. There are many situations > when writing LilyPond code when score-wide settings are > inappropriate. This is just another. \override permits > appropriate setting to be made at each p

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-14 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 9:42 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > Let me put it bluntly: the new scheme cements the decision to make > markups and titles have the same spacing. Greetings David, Quoting Mark (the man through whom the scandal cometh!) in the very first mail in this thread, " Obviously not

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-14 Thread David Kastrup
Valentin Villenave writes: > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 9:42 AM, David Kastrup wrote: >> Let me put it bluntly: the new scheme cements the decision to make >> markups and titles have the same spacing. > > Greetings David, > > Quoting Mark (the man through whom the scandal cometh!) That is the wron

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-14 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:05 AM "Trevor Daniels" writes: Although this is a good point, the problem is not as stark as this might suggest. There are many situations when writing LilyPond code when score-wide settings are inappropriate. This is just another. \overr

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-14 Thread Mark Polesky
David Kastrup wrote: > In short, we are going down a road now where any > user-visible improvement (for which the necessity is > clear) will become increasingly painful to do for both > developers and users. > > Since obviously I am alone with this opinion among the > developers, I would suggest po

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-14 Thread David Kastrup
Mark Polesky writes: > David Kastrup wrote: >> In short, we are going down a road now where any >> user-visible improvement (for which the necessity is >> clear) will become increasingly painful to do for both >> developers and users. >> >> Since obviously I am alone with this opinion among the >

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-14 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 07:57:02AM -0700, Mark Polesky wrote: > David Kastrup wrote: > > In short, we are going down a road now where any > > user-visible improvement (for which the necessity is > > clear) will become increasingly painful to do for both > > developers and users. Sure. Let's bite

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-14 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Mark Polesky wrote: > I think this is a good time to rethink how LilyPond uses the > \markup command.  Perhaps the code is too casual in this > respect?  It would be nice instead to have a more semantic > command vocabulary to replace top-level markups, for > examp

systems (was: names of vertical spacing dimensions)

2010-10-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 12:20:04AM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: > > Graham Percival > > >I would recommend adding this to Learning 2 Tutorial. Maybe > >somewhere in 2.3 Multiple notes at once; maybe somewhere in > >2.5 Final touches. I'll let somebody else think about it in more > >detail and p

system (was: names of vertical spacing dimensions)

2010-10-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 07:18:37PM -0400, James Lowe wrote: > As an instrument player (as opposed to a singer or 'vocalist') > who has neither conducted or composed anything more than a few > 'dittys' I can see how this would be the case where I have never > come across the term system. For the re