FCP vs EDEV for system - best practice?

2012-03-20 Thread Grzegorz Powiedziuk
Hello everyone. I found a lot of very useful information here but this time I have some doubts so I decided to subscribe and ask. Recently we upgraded our hardware (z9 + DS6000 - z114 + DS6000 + XIV) and we have to make some choices. There is a chance that at some point we will have to get rid of

Re: Mount an AIX filesystem on zLinux?

2012-03-20 Thread Mark Post
On 3/19/2012 at 09:22 PM, Scott Rohling scott.rohl...@gmail.com wrote: Googling around looks like SLES doesn't support it - the utilities are no longer included ... but I believe all you'd need is the jfsutils rpm. Anyway - yes - quite possible. I searched on 'jfs s390x' to find info..

Re: FCP vs EDEV for system - best practice?

2012-03-20 Thread Philipp Kern
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 12:04:40AM -0600, Grzegorz Powiedziuk wrote: But what about linux system disks? I know that in general ECKD win over FCP. I'd be not so sure about that. You need at least a bunch of aliases on the ECKD side to get into the same ballpark of speed. (With FCP AIUI Linux

Re: Mount an AIX filesystem on zLinux?

2012-03-20 Thread Rodger Donaldson
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 09:54:07AM +0900, Jerry Park wrote: Hi there, Is it possible to mount an AIX filesystem(JFS) on zLinux? One of my customer is considering about zLinux as their batch system. Their existing AIX systems are using Oracle, the customer wants to replicate their AIX Oracle

Fwd: Mount an AIX filesystem on zLinux?

2012-03-20 Thread Jerry Park
Thank you for all of your comments. -- Forwarded message -- From: Jerry Park jae...@gmail.com Date: 2012/3/20 Subject: Re: Mount an AIX filesystem on zLinux? To: rod...@diaspora.gen.nz First of all, I have to check that the customer is using LVM or not on AIX. Thank you for

Re: FCP vs EDEV for system - best practice?

2012-03-20 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Grzegorz Powiedziuk gpowiedz...@gmail.com wrote: Data disks for oracle I will build using direct attached FCP/SCSI. It is pretty easy to manage, multipathing is working fine - no doubts over here. But what about linux system disks? I know that in general ECKD

Re: FCP vs EDEV for system - best practice?

2012-03-20 Thread Philipp Kern
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 09:15:11AM +0100, Rob van der Heij wrote: As for multi-pathing etc, I'm not sure that is a definite must-have for everyone. I have seen several configurations where multi-pathing and PAV made things slower. The issues to make this work well for real life workload are

Re: FCP vs EDEV for system - best practice?

2012-03-20 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Philipp Kern pk...@debian.org wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 09:15:11AM +0100, Rob van der Heij wrote: As for multi-pathing etc, I'm not sure that is a definite must-have for everyone. I have seen several configurations where multi-pathing and PAV made

Re: FCP vs EDEV for system - best practice?

2012-03-20 Thread Richard Gasiorowski
I applaud you for your decision to place the user DB data on FCP SCSI. Out performs ECKD and allows you to have ALL LUN after formatting and inherent multi pathing NOT the 70% or so. the best part is that you now have made zlinux less mainframe and more main stream. Other platforms can now

Re: Are your Linux instances healthy?

2012-03-20 Thread Frederick, Michael
I had this issue also with SLES10(SP3, I suspect SP4 would work fine), SLES9, and RHEL 5.6. A `make install` from the source will get you around this, but that might not be an option for all people. Otherwise you have to install a different version of RPM, however when I googled, it didn't

Re: Are your Linux instances healthy?

2012-03-20 Thread Mark Pace
Very cool stuff. But I have one issue. EXCEPTION net_qeth_buffercount.inefficient_buffercount(medium) These network interfaces do not have the expected number of buffers: eth0 Details say to issue and lsqeth to check your current setting and For the current main memory, 0.48 GB,

Re: FCP vs EDEV for system - best practice?

2012-03-20 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 03/20/2012 at 02:06 EDT, Grzegorz Powiedziuk gpowiedz...@gmail.com wrote: I found a lot of very useful information here but this time I have some doubts so I decided to subscribe and ask. Recently we upgraded our hardware (z9 + DS6000 - z114 + DS6000 + XIV) and we have to make

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2012-03-20 Thread Neale Ferguson
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Re: FCP vs EDEV for system - best practice?

2012-03-20 Thread Rick Troth
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com wrote: SCSI-only configurations require some consideration: - You can't use the new Single System Image feature - You can't share the RACF database (not even with other VM systems) ... I suspect that #1 is because XLINK

Re: FCP vs EDEV for system - best practice?

2012-03-20 Thread Neale Ferguson
No, they use an atomic CCW program to do work on the PDR. On 3/20/12 10:28 AM, Rick Troth r...@casita.net wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com wrote: SCSI-only configurations require some consideration: - You can't use the new Single System Image

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2012-03-20 Thread Herczeg, Zoltan
Well I finally was able to schedule a power on reset changing chparm=00 to chparm=C0 on the hipersockets iocp definition. I then added mtu=57344 to ifcfg-hsi0, did an ifdown and ifup for hsi0. I then changed vse's tcpip definition to mtu=57344. I conducted another test and the time it

Re: FCP vs EDEV for system - best practice?

2012-03-20 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 03/20/2012 at 10:33 EDT, Rick Troth r...@casita.net wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com wrote: SCSI-only configurations require some consideration: - You can't use the new Single System Image feature - You can't share the RACF database

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2012-03-20 Thread Mark Post
On 3/20/2012 at 11:10 AM, Herczeg, Zoltan zol...@krasdalefoods.com wrote: Well I finally was able to schedule a power on reset changing chparm=00 to chparm=C0 on the hipersockets iocp definition. I then added mtu=57344 to ifcfg-hsi0, did an ifdown and ifup for hsi0. I then changed

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2012-03-20 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 03/20/2012 at 11:13 EDT, Herczeg, Zoltan zol...@krasdalefoods.com wrote: Well I finally was able to schedule a power on reset changing chparm=00 to chparm=C0 on the hipersockets iocp definition. I then added mtu=57344 to ifcfg-hsi0, did an ifdown and ifup for hsi0. I then changed

Formating/Partitioning emulated FBA in linux

2012-03-20 Thread Grzegorz Powiedziuk
Thank you all for your help (I was asking about EDEV vs FBA) Reading all your emails, I've decided to give a try with EDEV. I am already having a big problem or perhaps just lack of a knowledge. I decided to (for now) use EDEVICE attached to linux guest (without minidisks). Sles11 instalator,

Re: Formating/Partitioning emulated FBA in linux

2012-03-20 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Grzegorz Powiedziuk gpowiedz...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if sles instalator is trying to use fdasd instead of fdisk... Do you know what I am doing wrong? Do I have to create a separate minidisk for each filesystem? I'd like to avoid that... Maybe have the

Re: Formating/Partitioning emulated FBA in linux

2012-03-20 Thread Grzegorz Powiedziuk
2012/3/20 Rob van der Heij rvdh...@gmail.com Maybe have the box ticked to format the device first? You shouldn't. You can partition it with fdisk but I have not found the magic spell to avoid the not on cylinder boundary warnings. But the approach would be to create mini disks and scatter

Re: Formating/Partitioning emulated FBA in linux

2012-03-20 Thread David Kreuter
Hi Grzegorz - hello - been a while! I can tell you that I have clients that use EDEV FBA for non-production databases, mostly but not exclusively Oracle. We're using minidisks with underlying multipathed EDEVs. Good ole' DIRMAINT is in charge of the storage management. It works well. Linux system

Re: Formating/Partitioning emulated FBA in linux

2012-03-20 Thread Grzegorz Powiedziuk
2012/3/20 David Kreuter dkreu...@vm-resources.com Hi Grzegorz - hello - been a while! I can tell you that I have clients that use EDEV FBA for non-production databases, mostly but not exclusively Oracle. We're using minidisks with underlying multipathed EDEVs. Good ole' DIRMAINT is in charge

Re: Formating/Partitioning emulated FBA in linux

2012-03-20 Thread Mark Post
On 3/20/2012 at 05:50 PM, Grzegorz Powiedziuk gpowiedz...@gmail.com wrote: -snip- I decided to (for now) use EDEVICE attached to linux guest (without minidisks). But EDEVs look like mindisks to the guest. Sles11 instalator, can see it but it is unable to format it (!?). Format exits

Re: Formating/Partitioning emulated FBA in linux

2012-03-20 Thread David Kreuter
Just by way of further clarification of my Mark's accurate comment: 1. VDISK is in one of theses states: in core memory, paged out, or never referenced, i.e. it's treated as memory albeit looking like FBA. No actual FBA I/O occurs. 2. EDEV exists at least in the hardware. Feels like FBA to the