Re: What is vnc

2007-03-10 Thread John Summerfield
James Melin wrote: Greetings Warren. I've encountered times where I had NO choice but to use a GUI installer (Neon Shadow Direct Driver, for instance). When that happens, I would start a VNCserver. One comes with the SLES distribution. There are ones that have less overhead, but since I use

Re: What is vnc

2007-03-10 Thread John Summerfield
RPN01 wrote: Another use for VNC has nothing to do with running it on the mainframe linux itself. You can run VNC on a smaller server and use it as a go-between allowing you to start long-running gui tasks (such as system installs) and then close your laptop and go home or to the coffee shop,

Re: What is vnc

2007-03-10 Thread John Summerfield
Henry E Schaffer wrote: John Summerfield writes: ... btw, not every implementation if vi is equal, vile is well-named, nvi is ok, vigor is an enhanced nvi, but my favourite is vim, because there's a GUI version of it (and a build for Windows). I agree about vim - it's what vi should have

Re: What is vnc

2007-03-10 Thread Tom Shilson
There is a vnc product named TightVNC. It can use the SSH protocol to provide more network security. tom - - - - - - - - - - - - Toto, I have a feeling we're not in the mainframe world any more. _/) Tom Shilson ~Unix Team / IT Server Services Aloha

Re: What is vnc

2007-03-10 Thread John Summerfield
Tom Shilson wrote: There is a vnc product named TightVNC. It can use the SSH protocol to provide more network security. That's what SUSE ships (and to my delight, there's a windows client on my DVD), but for RH users, it's not quite so simple. however, port-forwarding with SSH is easy (and

Re: What is vnc

2007-03-09 Thread Evans, Kevin R
08, 2007 11:47 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What is vnc It seems I've struck a nerve with my frustration using the native linux editors. I guess I'll rephrase and just say that the best alternative I have found is to ftp to the linux workstation and gedit the file, then ftp it back

Re: What is vnc

2007-03-09 Thread Richard Troth
by: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 03/08/2007 08:17 PM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU From Warren Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: What is vnc due to the uniqueness of our work, an IDE is probably not worth

Re: What is vnc

2007-03-09 Thread Richard Troth
@VM.MARIST.EDU From Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: What is vnc I must admit that being predominantly a mainframe user under z/OS, I also FTP download files to the PC, edit them and FTP upload them again IF I have a significant amount of rework on some

Re: What is vnc

2007-03-09 Thread James Melin
Subject Re: What is vnc Please respond to Linux

Re: What is vnc

2007-03-09 Thread Evans, Kevin R
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Troth Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:07 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What is vnc Kevin ... You too might consider an NFS client. No reason you could not use ISPF edit against Linux

Re: What is vnc

2007-03-09 Thread RPN01
] Sent by: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU To LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU cc 03/08/2007 04:57 PM Subject Re: What is vnc Please respond

Re: What is vnc

2007-03-09 Thread Warren Taylor
]. much thanks - Original Message From: Richard Troth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Sent: Friday, March 9, 2007 5:04:35 AM Subject: Re: What is vnc I use various NFS clients against Linux content all the time. One of interest is the CMS NFS client, which allows use

Re: What is vnc

2007-03-09 Thread Henry E Schaffer
John Summerfield writes: ... btw, not every implementation if vi is equal, vile is well-named, nvi is ok, vigor is an enhanced nvi, but my favourite is vim, because there's a GUI version of it (and a build for Windows). I agree about vim - it's what vi should have been :-) (and probably

Re: What is vnc

2007-03-09 Thread David Boyes
due to the uniqueness of our work, an IDE is probably not worth the expenditure Eclipse costs you nothing. And it's on most distributions. I like the NFS export idea. The files need to live on the server and if that will allow me to use what's on the linux desktop to edit what's on the

What is vnc

2007-03-08 Thread Warren Taylor
Is there anywhere that describes exactly what you get with vnc? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit

Re: What is vnc

2007-03-08 Thread Richard Troth
www.realvnc.com -- R; - Original Message - From: Warren Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03/08/2007 05:07 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: What is vnc Is there anywhere that describes exactly what you get with vnc

Re: What is vnc

2007-03-08 Thread Warren Taylor
and how can this be applied to Linux running on VM? There is no desktop on VM? - Original Message From: Richard Troth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2007 2:14:36 PM Subject: Re: What is vnc www.realvnc.com -- R; - Original Message

Re: What is vnc

2007-03-08 Thread Mark Post
On Thu, Mar 8, 2007 at 5:35 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Warren Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and how can this be applied to Linux running on VM? There is no desktop on VM? Correct. You would use VNC to connect to a graphical desktop environment on a Linux guest. Typically _not_

Re: What is vnc

2007-03-08 Thread Warren Taylor
with putty and emacs? - Original Message From: Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2007 2:48:31 PM Subject: Re: What is vnc On Thu, Mar 8, 2007 at 5:35 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Warren Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and how can

Re: What is vnc

2007-03-08 Thread Rob van der Heij
On 3/8/07, Warren Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For my RHEL4 on a VM guest, all I can see is using emacs through putty to do our editing. (we are a heavy editing environment). I have managed to used gedit from a linux desktop but that was somewhat painful and now refuses to work at all

Re: What is vnc

2007-03-08 Thread John Summerfield
Warren Taylor wrote: For my RHEL4 on a VM guest, all I can see is using emacs through putty to do our editing. (we are a heavy editing environment). I have managed to used gedit from a linux desktop but that was somewhat painful and now refuses to work at all (but I don't really miss its

Re: What is vnc

2007-03-08 Thread David Boyes
: 3/8/07 5:45 PM Subject: Re: What is vnc and how can this be applied to Linux running on VM? There is no desktop on VM? - Original Message From: Richard Troth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2007 2:14:36 PM Subject: Re: What is vnc www.realvnc.com

Re: What is vnc

2007-03-08 Thread Rob van der Heij
On 3/9/07, David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3) It removes a 'different' aspect of Linux on the mainframe. Since the current generation of Linux admins seem incapable of coping without a GUI, vnc allows mainframe and non-mainframe systems to appear exactly the same. It has more to do

Re: What is vnc

2007-03-08 Thread Mark Post
On Thu, Mar 8, 2007 at 5:57 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Warren Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For my RHEL4 on a VM guest, all I can see is using emacs through putty to do our editing. (we are a heavy editing environment). I have managed to used gedit from a linux desktop but that

Re: What is vnc

2007-03-08 Thread Warren Taylor
sharing is all about. thanks - Original Message From: Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2007 4:58:21 PM Subject: Re: What is vnc On Thu, Mar 8, 2007 at 5:57 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Warren Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For my

Re: What is vnc

2007-03-08 Thread Warren Taylor
- Original Message From: Adam Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2007 8:13:20 PM Subject: Re: What is vnc On Mar 8, 2007, at 7:17 PM, Warren Taylor wrote: due to the uniqueness of our work, an IDE is probably not worth the expenditure

Re: What is vnc

2007-03-08 Thread John Summerfield
-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2007 8:13:20 PM Subject: Re: What is vnc On Mar 8, 2007, at 7:17 PM, Warren Taylor wrote: due to the uniqueness of our work, an IDE is probably not worth the expenditure and if I hear one more reference to vi Im going to croak. These editors are far too

Re: What is vnc

2007-03-08 Thread Adam Thornton
On Mar 8, 2007, at 10:47 PM, Warren Taylor wrote: It seems I've struck a nerve with my frustration using the native linux editors. No, it's more that you've struck a nerve by wildly inaccurately denouncing emacs and vi as weaker than gedit. Less immediately accessible, sure. Less pretty in

Re: What is vnc

2007-03-08 Thread John Summerfield
Adam Thornton wrote: On Mar 8, 2007, at 10:47 PM, Warren Taylor wrote: But these are just things we'd expect any reasonably-competent editor to be able to do. Now, let's look at some of the lesser-explored corners of Emacs: Does gedit support psychoanalysis of Zippy the Pinhead? Of course