Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread Joern Nettingsmeier
"STEFFL, ERIK *Internet* (SBCSI)" wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > From: Joern Nettingsmeier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > "STEFFL, ERIK *Internet* (SBCSI)" wrote: > > > > > > that said I have to admit we're not there yet, I am just > > trying to get > > > soundblaster live! to reco

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread David Olofson
On Friday 21 June 2002 16.27, Bill Bland wrote: > On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 04:05:47PM +0200, Vincent Touquet wrote: > > I was thinking about some callback model: > > you provide the callback to redraw your > > knob after you changed the parameters. > > Sounds quite like the way FLTK works to me (se

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread David Olofson
On Friday 21 June 2002 16.05, Vincent Touquet wrote: [...] > >It's like replacing the graphics of a game; drawing a bunch of > > images for each object, whereas normal ("GTK+ style" themes > > consist of generic textures and images used by all widgets. > > Thats exactly what I'm aiming at :) > I d

RE: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread STEFFL, ERIK *Internet* (SBCSI)
> -Original Message- > From: Joern Nettingsmeier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > "STEFFL, ERIK *Internet* (SBCSI)" wrote: > > > > that said I have to admit we're not there yet, I am just > trying to get > > soundblaster live! to record something (audio) and it just > doesn't:-) > > ass

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread Joern Nettingsmeier
"STEFFL, ERIK *Internet* (SBCSI)" wrote: > > that said I have to admit we're not there yet, I am just trying to get > soundblaster live! to record something (audio) and it just doesn't:-) assuming you use alsa, try scrolling a little to the right in alsamixer: there is another control named "

RE: [linux-audio-dev] digigram's "ethersound"

2002-06-21 Thread John Lazzaro
> From: "Men Muheim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > I wrote > > http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~hgs/rtp/history.html > > this link seems a bit out of date! Six years is eternity in this > business... > > -- men Yes, but the expired patent mentioned is still expired: April 1977 J. Flanagan (of BTL) appli

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread Vincent Touquet
On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 12:36:49PM -0700, STEFFL, ERIK *Internet* (SBCSI) wrote: > freeamp allows you to specify bitmaps of arbitrary size/shape for gui >elements and place them where you want (there's an xml file that specifies >the GUI), you can omit the GUI elements you don't need/want in part

RE: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread STEFFL, ERIK *Internet* (SBCSI)
> -Original Message- > From: David Olofson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ... > However, there's one thing that's seriously worrying me: Software > piracy. I saw a poll somewhere, that indicated that a vast *majority* > of computer users considered piracy more or less "OK". It's like they >

RE: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread STEFFL, ERIK *Internet* (SBCSI)
> -Original Message- > From: David Olofson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ... > That said, the XMMS/WinAmp model *is* in fact of the first kind I > mention above; GUIs with custom graphics. A skin for such an > application is basically just a set of images that replace the > original custom

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread nick
On Fri, 2002-06-21 at 18:40, Michael Toomim wrote: > Why don't you just use Evas? It was designed for just what you're > talking about. > > http://www.enlightenment.org/pages/evas.html Ive been thinking of using that myself. hardware accelerated gfx. mmm :) nick ___

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread Vincent Touquet
Cool, they must be lucky I didn't think of patenting it when I just thought of it now ;) vincent On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 11:05:10AM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: >Sounds quite a lot like the way almost every GUI toolkit I've looked >at works (see XForms, GTK+, Qt, Gtkmm for examples) :) > >--p

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread Michael Toomim
David Olofson wrote: > * Fast, high quality rendering with OpenGL style > blending effects and the like. (In fact, I'll > probably use OpenGL for the first implementation. > I've been messing a bit with 2D-on-OpenGL anyway, > to implement the SDL API on top o

[linux-audio-dev] [Fwd: OS file format/authoring of Generative Media]

2002-06-21 Thread Dave Phillips
Greetings: Ja, ja, I'm the forwarding spam-king... But this message refers to a nice chunk of cash for the deserving developer... Best regards, == Dave Phillips The Book Of Linux Music & Sound at http://www.nostarch.com/lms.htm The Linux Soundapps Site at http://linux-sound.o

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread Vincent Touquet
On Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 11:20:20PM +0200, David Olofson wrote: (cut) >of programming. It looks like it would be a fast and easy hack, as >everything's so visually "obvious" and intuitive, but that's just an >illusion... I think I agree, though my GUI programming experience is quite nonexistant :

[linux-audio-dev] Re: Streaming solution for a cybercafe

2002-06-21 Thread Dave Phillips
Greetings: Here's the text from the forwarded message I referred to earlier. You will all be glad to know that the list moderator is hard at work doing his job (instead of practicing! ;), so the original forward was trapped due to an attached JPEG (a picture of the cafe's setup). Abdul-kadir

[linux-audio-dev] whoops...

2002-06-21 Thread Dave Phillips
Greetings: My apologies for sending a JPEG attachment with that last forwarded message. I forgot that it was there... Also, I hope I'm not being presumptuous by forwarding such messages to LAD or LAU. I do try to answer such messages myself, but I'll defer to the real experts when I know I'm

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread Paul Davis
>It's like replacing the graphics of a game; drawing a bunch of images >for each object, whereas normal ("GTK+ style" themes consist of >generic textures and images used by all widgets. well, sort of. a full GTK+ theme actually consists of: a) methods to draw a set of low level primitives:

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread Paul Davis
>> as a history, GtkCanvas is essentially the same as the Gtk+-1.2 >> GnomeCanvas, but available in a separate package and with functions >> renamed accordingly. GnomeCanvas used to be available only as a >> part of the Gnome libraries. >> >> the Gtk+-2.0 version of GnomeCanvas is available as a s

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread Paul Davis
>On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 04:05:47PM +0200, Vincent Touquet wrote: > >> I was thinking about some callback model: >> you provide the callback to redraw your >> knob after you changed the parameters. > >Sounds quite like the way FLTK works to me (see www.fltk.org). Sounds quite a lot like the way

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread xk
> However, there's one thing that's seriously worrying me: Software > piracy. I saw a poll somewhere, that indicated that a vast *majority* > of computer users considered piracy more or less "OK". It's like they > simply don't consider it a crime at all. Can you honestly say that pirating softwar

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread nick
On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 00:26, David Olofson wrote: > On Thursday 13 June 2002 00.07, nick wrote: > [...] > > I suspect, however, as you have alluded to - that there arent many > > graphic artists hanging around on this mailing list... > > Well, although it was some time ago I spent considerable am

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread nick
On Thu, 2002-06-20 at 00:28, David Olofson wrote: > On Thursday 13 June 2002 00.25, nick wrote: > > IMO, the GIMP has never really had those polishments(?) - artists > > still prefer photoshop and the like, and certainly people i know > > just dont get on with the interface, choosing paint shop pr

Re: [linux-audio-dev] digigram's "ethersound"

2002-06-21 Thread xk
> radical is to shoot the cookie originator. paul is just resisting > gandhi-style. What did the poor cookies do to you to make you such a bad person ;-?

Re: [linux-audio-dev] timing

2002-06-21 Thread David Olofson
On Thursday 20 June 2002 16.37, Juan Linietsky wrote: > On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:43:46 +0100 > > dunk fordyce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > whats the best way to handle timing in a music app? > > I use /dev/rtc in shaketracker, It works very well, but the problem > with it is that > it cant be shar

[linux-audio-dev] [ANN] amSynth 1.0beta4

2002-06-21 Thread nick
Hi all. The amSynth beta4 tarball is available now. Get it while its fresh at http://amsynthe.sourceforge.net and be sure to read the README This release provides some significant improvements: * Full ALSA support (PCM audio + MIDI sequencer layer) * MIDI control messages (for preset/patch se

RE: [linux-audio-dev] digigram's "ethersound"

2002-06-21 Thread Men Muheim
> A useful reference for the history of patents and prior art on > packetized audio: > > http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~hgs/rtp/history.html this link seems a bit out of date! Six years is eternity in this business... -- men

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread Bill Bland
On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 04:05:47PM +0200, Vincent Touquet wrote: > I was thinking about some callback model: > you provide the callback to redraw your > knob after you changed the parameters. Sounds quite like the way FLTK works to me (see www.fltk.org). Cheers, Bill. -- Dr. William

[linux-audio-dev] using LADSPA under cygwin?

2002-06-21 Thread Nathaniel Virgo
Hello again, sorry to bother you all with another stupid question, but I was wondering if anyone can give me any pointers on getting LADSPA stuff to work under cygwin. (I'm not trying to do anything especially clever here, I just want to learn to write plugins but I won't have access to a li

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread Vincent Touquet
On Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 11:28:14PM +0200, David Olofson wrote: >That said, the XMMS/WinAmp model *is* in fact of the first kind I >mention above; GUIs with custom graphics. A skin for such an >application is basically just a set of images that replace the >original custom graphics. > >It's like

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread David Olofson
On Thursday 13 June 2002 00.25, nick wrote: > IMO, the GIMP has never really had those polishments(?) - artists > still prefer photoshop and the like, and certainly people i know > just dont get on with the interface, choosing paint shop pro > instead, much to my horror ;) Well, I almost forgot h

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread David Olofson
On Thursday 13 June 2002 00.07, nick wrote: [...] > I suspect, however, as you have alluded to - that there arent many > graphic artists hanging around on this mailing list... Well, although it was some time ago I spent considerable amounts of time doing graphics, I consider myself at least 0.5

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread David Olofson
On Thursday 13 June 2002 14.02, Dave Griffiths wrote: > > The problem seems to be either... > > > > A) That there aren't enough of these people to go around. > > > > B) That these people aren't in touch with the people who > > want to write code, or just have a hard time coordinating wit

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread David Olofson
On Wednesday 12 June 2002 14.56, Paul Davis wrote: > >The way I'd like to do it is by throwing "live" objects into the > >canvas, assign various graphic shapes or images to them, and then > >connect them to the logic through callbacks, events or whatever. > > The point is that "basic" stuff like c

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread David Olofson
On Thursday 13 June 2002 02.03, Andy Wingo wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Paul Davis wrote: > > welcome to the {Gtk,Gnome}Canvas. > > BTW. This is only somewhat on-topic, but... > > as a history, GtkCanvas is essentially the same as the Gtk+-1.2 > GnomeCanvas, but available in a separate package an

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread David Olofson
On Wednesday 12 June 2002 23.15, Kasper Souren wrote: [...] > > Well, a man can dream... > > Certainly. And a man can hope... that AGNULA will be a success. > Since then the userbase will be expanded big time. Well, considering the number of people playing and creating music in one way or anothe

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread David Olofson
On Wednesday 12 June 2002 11.20, Vincent Touquet wrote: > Continuing in the thinking out loud department, > so I don't have to study ;): > > Seems a waste to hardcode all the GUI stuff though. > > How do they get about theming their controls > in Xmms / mplayer ... ? > > Slider bars get different

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread David Olofson
On Wednesday 12 June 2002 14.40, Paul Davis wrote: [...] > There are rumblings in the GTK+ camp that a distant version of GTK+ > might switch entirely to the canvas model, and all widgets would > just be canvas items that drew themselves onto the canvas RGB > buffer. Sounds like my way of thinkin

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread David Olofson
On Wednesday 12 June 2002 22.37, you wrote: > On 12 Jun 2002, nick wrote: > > What would be really good is if people donated money to the > > projects they find useful (paypal/nochex), because I sure as hell > > dont see the major distros supporting media apps development any > > time soon. Maybe

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread David Olofson
On Wednesday 12 June 2002 16.18, Billy Biggs wrote: [...] > But that's sort of the thought behind ttrk: be a useful hardware > sequencer. I can't stand piano roll views, they just don't make > sense for the music I'm writing. I usually write electronic dance > music where I want to see everyth

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread David Olofson
On Wednesday 12 June 2002 11.17, Vincent Touquet wrote: > I have never done any GUI programming before. > > Writing these comprehensive widgets > with cool knobs, smooth slides, > graphical equalizers etc. seems > difficult though. GUI programming is not really difficult IMHO, but the difference

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-21 Thread David Olofson
On Wednesday 12 June 2002 11.04, Michael Toomim wrote: > David Olofson wrote: > > ...and wants to hack a *really* complex one for a music > > application. You also need to find a good GUI designer, unless > > you're lucky enough to find someone that can do both. > > > > I'm quite sure it's not rem

Re: [linux-audio-dev] digigram's "ethersound"

2002-06-21 Thread Joern Nettingsmeier
xk wrote: > > > cuter than that. i think they want to set a cookie. since i block > > almost all cookies with internet junkbuster, its impossible to get to > > the page ... sigh. > > Isn't that a little bit radical? You could just delete all the cookies from > time to time. radical is to shoot