At Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:03:15 -0400,
Pete Bessman wrote:
>
> That's a straw man. The original point was something to the effect
> of "a volume knob which can only be operated after studying a manual
> is an indication that the UI designer is a failure," although my
> rendition is probably more cau
On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 11:03:15PM -0400, Pete Bessman wrote:
> That's a straw man. The original point was something to the effect of
> "a volume knob which can only be operated after studying a manual is
> an indication that the UI designer is a failure," although my
> rendition is probably more
On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 08:47:48AM +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote:
> Actually, in my house we speak latin only when we feel the urge to make
> fun of people in badly need of a good argument. Out of house, of course,
> we speak latin to make people feel stupid and stop argueing with us.
I don't liv
On mån, 2004-06-28 at 01:22, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
>
> If a manual is well written and explains both the concepts behind
> an application and it's modus operandi, the answer is probably
> 'yes'. At least I do.
Latin?
>
> There have been some references, both direct and less direct, to
> my 'st
Pete Bessman wrote:
[ ... ]
Fons is an intelligent human being, and even if he is being somewhat
more "elitist" than some may consider necessary, there is nothing
gained by berating his viewpoint with sarcasm.
>That's a straw man. The original point was something to the effect of
>"a volu
At Mon, 28 Jun 2004 01:22:05 +0200,
Fons Adriaensen wrote:
>
> "... whenever we invite someone into the news studio, he has to make
> his point in 12 seconds. If I know he can't, I will not even
> consider him." Why not ? "Beacause it's bad TV, and our market share
> will go down. Our viewers just
On Sun, 2004-06-27 at 18:22, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> Going back to our original point: if a user is too lazy to read
> a manual, I can't be bothered with his problem. And if someone
> proclaims that aversion to reading documentation is 'normal', I
> will disagree, and now you all know why.
On Sun, 2004-06-27 at 19:22, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> More and more, as an 'intellectual' I find myself in a position that
> comes down to this: either you budge and dumb down, or you'll be
> excluded. This is just one step from what happened during the Nazi
> regime, the 'Cultural Revolution', or
On Sat, Jun 26, 2004 at 09:58:19AM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> With regards to widgets, I stated that requiring the user
> to read documetation in order to use a widget is not an
> option. It was especialy about visualizing / hinting at
> functionality. The fan-sliders without the fan graphi
On Sat, Jun 26, 2004 at 11:50:29AM -0400, Pete Bessman wrote:
> Great, well, I made the observation that the intelligentsia have
> microscopic genitalia. (What, you want my data? Surely you jest.)
> Ergo, the smarter a person claims to be, the greater the magnification
> they require at the urinal
At Sat, 26 Jun 2004 09:36:26 +0200,
Fons Adriaensen wrote:
>
> What is "normal" ?
Why do you think I put it in "quotes?"
> I have an increasing difficulty in just understanding what you try
> to say. Could you explain the terms
No.
> - crow-magnon (sic) music
I'm amazed that your purportedly
At Sat, 26 Jun 2004 01:41:17 +0100,
Dave Griffiths wrote:
>
> "I HAVE to understand everything about an interface in 5 SECONDS!"
> attitude to gui design. People can learn things, it's part of
> playing music on real instruments - why can't it be part of playing
> computer instruments?
I simply d
On Sat, 2004-06-26 at 02:36, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> I made the observation that educated people usually do not mind having
> to learn something. So if there is a widespread aversion to having to
> learn and read a manual, that seems to indicate that education levels
> have gone down.
I
On Sat, Jun 26, 2004 at 09:36:26AM +0200, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
>
> I made the observation that educated people usually do not mind having
> to learn something. So if there is a widespread aversion to having to
> learn and read a manual, that seems to indicate that education levels
> have gone do
On Sat, Jun 26, 2004 at 01:41:17AM +0100, Dave Griffiths wrote:
> Having worked professionally on related things, I just can't stand the
> "I HAVE to understand everything about an interface in 5 SECONDS!"
> attitude to gui design. People can learn things, it's part of playing
> music on real inst
On Sat, Jun 26, 2004 at 01:33:59AM -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> Designing for usability is not rocket science. For the phone example,
> the options (in decreasing order of desirability) are:
>
> 1. A self-explanatory pictorial representation.
> 2. A text label.
> 3. An incomprehe
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 07:55:50PM -0400, Pete Bessman wrote:
> At Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:28:35 +0200,
> Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> >
> > > so that I can compare it against the mouth-breathing crow-magnon
> > > music created with shiny-quarter interfaces. I'm sure the results
> > > will speak for them
On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 23:15, Pete Bessman wrote:
> At Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:00:42 +0200,
> Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> Dave Griffiths said something above about "hiding functionality for
> the users to find." That, to, is just wrong. This isn't a videogame
> or Where's Waldo.
heh heh, funnily enoug
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 11:09:06PM +0200, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> >
> > You again.
>
> Yes, me. I was told by some members of this list only a few days
> ago that sarcasm was OK.
Where did I say I would have problems with sarcasm?
But the use of sarcasm doesn't make your comment any bit
more
On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 17:23, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 03:38:10PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> > I think this is a lot of the reason European (especially Dutch) design
> > is so much more advanced than American. In the States, a fire exit sign
> > says 'EXIT'. In the Netherla
At Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:28:35 +0200,
Fons Adriaensen wrote:
>
> > so that I can compare it against the mouth-breathing crow-magnon
> > music created with shiny-quarter interfaces. I'm sure the results
> > will speak for themselves.
>
> They do, but maybe not in the direction you imagined. And cro
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 08:29:44PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:00:42PM +0200, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:54:20PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> >
> > > Requiring the user to read documentation to learn about functionality
> > > he would not
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 03:38:10PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 12:00, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:54:20PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> >
> > > Requiring the user to read documentation to learn about functionality
> > > he would not even expect is n
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:15:24PM -0400, Pete Bessman wrote:
> I have a very simple request for everybody who loathes
> "plug-and-drool" usability: show me the tunes. That's all. Lemme
> hear the avant garde music enabled by avant garde interfaces
The most avant-garde music is enabled by very
At Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:00:42 +0200,
Fons Adriaensen wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:54:20PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
>
> > Requiring the user to read documentation to learn about
> > functionality he would not even expect is not an option.
>
> Have education levels gone down *that* far
On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 07:09, Dave Griffiths wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 19:29, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> > Besides, we were talking about widgets. When even single
> > widgets would require to RTFM, what would that mean
> > for a full app?
>
> I think there is a danger here of being too conserv
On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 12:00, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:54:20PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
>
> > Requiring the user to read documentation to learn about functionality
> > he would not even expect is not an option.
>
> Have education levels gone down *that* far ?
It is
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 12:09:24PM +0100, Dave Griffiths wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 19:29, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> > Besides, we were talking about widgets. When even single
> > widgets would require to RTFM, what would that mean
> > for a full app?
>
> I think there is a danger here of bein
On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 19:29, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> Besides, we were talking about widgets. When even single
> widgets would require to RTFM, what would that mean
> for a full app?
I think there is a danger here of being too conservative - something I
think existing commercial software does (in
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:00:42PM +0200, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:54:20PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
>
> > Requiring the user to read documentation to learn about functionality
> > he would not even expect is not an option.
>
> Have education levels gone down *that*
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:54:20PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> Requiring the user to read documentation to learn about functionality
> he would not even expect is not an option.
Have education levels gone down *that* far ?
--
FA
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:54:20 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 05:22:55PM +0100, Dave Griffiths wrote:
> >
> > I like your fan idea Thorsten, but I also think it could work invisibly - ie
> > no need for the transparent overlay. This would take a bit of learning that it
> > wa
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 05:22:55PM +0100, Dave Griffiths wrote:
>
> I like your fan idea Thorsten, but I also think it could work invisibly - ie
> no need for the transparent overlay. This would take a bit of learning that it
> was there to begin with - but transparent graphics like that are expe
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:28:09 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 09:46:36AM +0200, Burkhard Woelfel wrote:
> >
> > Radial movement on control elements often confuses me.
...
> Well, the scaling issue was not obvious to me, I needed to
> read about it somewhere, but afterwards
On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 09:46:36AM +0200, Burkhard Woelfel wrote:
>
> Radial movement on control elements often confuses me.
>
> If there was a line drawn from the center of the knob to the mouse pointer,
> maybe sporting arrows in the directions to move the mouse would make two
> things obviou
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On Thursday 10 June 2004 03:03, Tim Hockin wrote:
> Radial is confusing to people.
Radial movement on control elements often confuses me.
If there was a line drawn from the center of the knob to the mouse pointer,
maybe sporting arrows in the direc
On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 04:02, Steve Harris wrote:
> There are other options like Turtle, which has some shortcuts to make it
> easy for humans to read/write, but its equivalently harder to parse. Rock
> and a hard place :(
>
Given a choice I'd rather have "easier to parse" as long as all o
On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 12:58:27PM +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote:
> On tor, 2004-06-10 at 18:04, Dave Robillard wrote:
>
> > >
> > > One solution is to make it depend on the place you hit it, and
> > > define the effect of a mouse movement as the projection onto the
> > > tangent at that point.
>
On tor, 2004-06-10 at 18:04, Dave Robillard wrote:
> >
> > One solution is to make it depend on the place you hit it, and
> > define the effect of a mouse movement as the projection onto the
> > tangent at that point.
> >
> > So for example if you click on the bottom, moving left will rotate
> >
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 05:21:59 -0500, Jan Depner wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 17:00, Steve Harris wrote:
> > Yup, but I dont think we got consensus on the metadata format, which is
> > kinda fundamnetal. For the record, I (still) think we should use a
> > restricted subset of RDF/N3.
> >
>
Dave Robillard wrote:
I kind of agree - I don't really see the point of embedding plugin GUIs
in anything. A modular with the controls like SSM maybe, but you
wouldn't be able to see anything, modules being that big.
Oh, it's not only about embedding in one great window but embedding
the plugin w
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 17:00, Steve Harris wrote:
> Yup, but I dont think we got consensus on the metadata format, which is
> kinda fundamnetal. For the record, I (still) think we should use a
> restricted subset of RDF/N3.
>
As long as you never, ever have to look at it. I could actually
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 04:01:25 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 07:49:57AM +0100, Steve Harris wrote:
> >
> > Its out of process. Sounds like torben wants to swallow the plugin UI,
> > thats kinda neat, didn't think anyone would bother, but we should take
> > that into a
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 12:25:46 -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
> That reminds me of something I've been meaning to ask (after actually
> reading the DSSI RFC)
>
> Is there anything really soft synth specific about DSSI? Should it be
> DAPI (disposable audio plugin interface).
You have to care abo
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 07:28:17 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
> >> There is chasm both broad and deep between
> >>
> >> "plugin, show your GUI now"
> >>
> >> and an actual implementation of such functionality.
> >
> >Yeah osc.udp://localhost:2134/ui/show ;) I'm very much in favour of
> >simple
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 12:50:19PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> why dont we specify behaviour and a gfx format for control animations
> and then implement the widgets for gtk and qt ?
Brilliant, but get every aspect of the behavior down. For example,
something that no one has discussed yet:
At Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:50:19 +0200,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> i dont see a problem. there is knob code for every toolkit on
> sourceforge. lets unify the gfx data have a widget for every toolkit.
votes++
[pb]
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 10:22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 04:25:15PM -0700, Tim Hockin wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 11:56:59PM +0200, Arnold Krille wrote:
> > > Still the question is: What toolkit to use for a
> > > standard-LAD-Gui-elements-set? Or just define the grap
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 10:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 07:49:57AM +0100, Steve Harris wrote:
> >
> > Its out of process. Sounds like torben wants to swallow the plugin UI,
> > thats kinda neat, didn't think anyone would bother, but we should take
> > that into account.
>
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 07:28, Paul Davis wrote:
> >> There is chasm both broad and deep between
> >>
> >> "plugin, show your GUI now"
> >>
> >> and an actual implementation of such functionality.
> >
> >Yeah osc.udp://localhost:2134/ui/show ;) I'm very much in favour of
> >simple, UNDERcomp
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 05:33, Alfons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 10:57:09AM +0200, Uwe Koloska wrote:
>
> > But there comes another handling problem:
> > some people have opted for linear movement (I too think radial
> > movement is intuitive but mostly unusable -- normal mouse mov
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 04:25:15PM -0700, Tim Hockin wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 11:56:59PM +0200, Arnold Krille wrote:
> > Still the question is: What toolkit to use for a
> > standard-LAD-Gui-elements-set? Or just define the graphics and the handling
> > and then let everyone implement it
At Harrison we decided to avoid knobs altogether. Instead we use
short, fat faders (OK there are a few knob things just to look
different) That worked out pretty well. My preferences are:
left-click for linear (up & down) adjustment
right-click for fine adjust
middle-click to return to defaul
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 07:49:57AM +0100, Steve Harris wrote:
>
> Its out of process. Sounds like torben wants to swallow the plugin UI,
> thats kinda neat, didn't think anyone would bother, but we should take
> that into account.
why do you think no one would bother ?
there is XEMBED and if if t
{Sgi... digital performer} Maybe } you could use both color and space.
I guess that's OpenGL Performer now.
--
If I had saxophones / Big baritone, cleanin' up the muddy breaks
If I had Saxophones / I could get some recognition from
that Mobile Alabama DJ{J.Buffet}
On Wednesday 09 June 2004 21:54, Dave Robillard wrote:
} On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 22:25, Dan Harper wrote:
} > Also, it's just not natural for me to move my mouse in a circle, the
} > natural movement of my hand is not a circle, try to draw a perfect
} > circle in the Gimp sometime by mouse! This mea
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 07:18:57PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 17:56, Arnold Krille wrote:
> > Still the question is: What toolkit to use for a
> > standard-LAD-Gui-elements-set? Or just define the graphics and the handling
> > and then let everyone implement it in his/he
>> There is chasm both broad and deep between
>>
>> "plugin, show your GUI now"
>>
>> and an actual implementation of such functionality.
>
>Yeah osc.udp://localhost:2134/ui/show ;) I'm very much in favour of
>simple, UNDERcomplicated solutions. If you make its easy to do almost
>everythin
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 08:41:47PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 20:22, Paul Davis wrote:
> > >On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 07:18:57PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
>
> I see what you're saying, and don't get me wrong - I didn't mean to
> imply it's an easy thing to do. But it is
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 10:57:09AM +0200, Uwe Koloska wrote:
> But there comes another handling problem:
> some people have opted for linear movement (I too think radial
> movement is intuitive but mostly unusable -- normal mouse movement
> is linear) but then I think we need both directions:
>
Thorsten Wilms wrote:
SVG vector graphics (prefered by Peter and me)
http://wrstud.uni-wuppertal.de/~ka0394/forum/04-05-02_knobs_02.png
3d rendering variatios
http://wrstud.uni-wuppertal.de/~ka0394/forum/04-05-02_knob_3d_1-2-3.jpg
very nice! I most like the svg ones for the cleaner look.
But there
Dave Robillard wrote:
I think we've (perhaps?) finally figured out that we can't really
have a "standard-LAD-GUI-elements-set". It will just turn into
another LADSPA-GUI war, nothing will get decided, and nothing
will get done.
But as far as I understand, it's not about GUI-elemt toolkits but
abo
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 12:33:19AM +0100, Steve Harris wrote:
> It seems like there are as many preferences as users. How about
> ~/.knobrc ;)
Or how about libknob? I know, this sounds silly, but if we extend that
Idea, we have libladstandards. Things like dB-level<->color mappings,
logarithmic/ex
On Thursday 10 June 2004 02.53, Tim Hockin wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 08:39:15PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
> > But then you either have to click and drag up, click and drag up, click
> > and drag up and so on because the motion is too slow, or you can't make
>
> no, I click and hold as lon
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 08:22:12 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
> >On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 07:18:57PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
> >> I think at this point all we need is a mechanism for a host to say
> >> "plugin, show your GUI now". (Incidentally what DSSI does as far as I
> >> know, which isn't ver
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 22:25, Dan Harper wrote:
> I for one dislike the knob design, you just cannot make fine adjustments
> easily. Someone said that you can take the mouse out to a greater
> radius from the knob, but that is just plain silly. While you move the
> mouse out from the knob, you're
I for one dislike the knob design, you just cannot make fine adjustments
easily. Someone said that you can take the mouse out to a greater
radius from the knob, but that is just plain silly. While you move the
mouse out from the knob, you're bound to make small adjustments to the
value of the kno
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 09:17:21PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
> If it's determined that linear is indeed better I think the knob should
> change into something that makes it clear that up/down linear movement
> is what's required then.
>
> Grabbing a knob and moving the mouse up and down just is
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 21:03, Tim Hockin wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 08:39:36PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
> > > How about velocity sensitive knobs like OhmForce plugs use. Uggh.
>
> > I think radial adjustment is the clearest, most obvious way for a knob
> > to move.. it is a knob after al
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 08:39:36PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
> > How about velocity sensitive knobs like OhmForce plugs use. Uggh.
> I think radial adjustment is the clearest, most obvious way for a knob
> to move.. it is a knob after all. A newbie sitting down at the machine
> isn't going to
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 08:40:09PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
> - left click/drag adjusts radially
I just can't get used to radial turning, I find it obnoxious, and know
many who feel the same. Linear was obvious to me. Radial was very
non-obvious.
> - control click adjust linearly (x axis co
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 08:39:15PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
> But then you either have to click and drag up, click and drag up, click
> and drag up and so on because the motion is too slow, or you can't make
no, I click and hold as long as I am tweaking a knob..
> fine adjustments. Unless so
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 19:39, Dave Robillard wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 19:16, Tim Hockin wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 10:38:49PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> > > If you ask me, radial is the only right way of mouse control for
> >
> > I have to disagree. Sometimes I close my eyes to
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 20:22, Paul Davis wrote:
> >On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 07:18:57PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
> >> I think at this point all we need is a mechanism for a host to say
> >> "plugin, show your GUI now". (Incidentally what DSSI does as far as I
> >> know, which isn't very much yet)
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:40:01 +0200
> From: Benno Senoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design
> To: "The Linux Audio Developers' Mailing List"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 19:40, Benno Senoner wrote:
> Very nice knobs Thorsten !
> We could use them in LinuxSampler :)
> Rui Nuno Capela has started work on the GUI
> http://www.linuxsampler.org/screenshots.html
> For example the channel strips could use a knob for volume instead of a
> fader
> whi
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 19:33, Steve Harris wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 04:23:32PM -0700, Tim Hockin wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 07:04:58PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
> > > - Left button to turn knob (radially)
> >
> > Left button to turn knob linearly up/down.
> > Ctrl-Left to fine ad
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 19:30, Steve Harris wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 07:18:57PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
> > I think at this point all we need is a mechanism for a host to say
> > "plugin, show your GUI now". (Incidentally what DSSI does as far as I
> > know, which isn't very much yet).
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 19:23, Tim Hockin wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 07:04:58PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
> > - Left button to turn knob (radially)
>
> Left button to turn knob linearly up/down.
> Ctrl-Left to fine adjust 1/10th scale or whatever.
>
>
> How about velocity sensitive knobs
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 19:16, Tim Hockin wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 10:38:49PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> > If you ask me, radial is the only right way of mouse control for
>
> I have to disagree. Sometimes I close my eyes to ensure that I am only
> using my ears to make adjustments, an
>On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 07:18:57PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
>> I think at this point all we need is a mechanism for a host to say
>> "plugin, show your GUI now". (Incidentally what DSSI does as far as I
>> know, which isn't very much yet). No embedding, no standard widget set,
>> no crazy ev
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 04:23:32PM -0700, Tim Hockin wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 07:04:58PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
> > - Left button to turn knob (radially)
>
> Left button to turn knob linearly up/down.
> Ctrl-Left to fine adjust 1/10th scale or whatever.
It seems like there are as ma
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 07:18:57PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
> I think at this point all we need is a mechanism for a host to say
> "plugin, show your GUI now". (Incidentally what DSSI does as far as I
> know, which isn't very much yet). No embedding, no standard widget set,
> no crazy event l
Very nice knobs Thorsten !
We could use them in LinuxSampler :)
Rui Nuno Capela has started work on the GUI
http://www.linuxsampler.org/screenshots.html
For example the channel strips could use a knob for volume instead of a
fader
which would save some space.
Thorsten in what format do you plan t
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 11:56:59PM +0200, Arnold Krille wrote:
> Still the question is: What toolkit to use for a
> standard-LAD-Gui-elements-set? Or just define the graphics and the handling
> and then let everyone implement it in his/her preferred toolkit? The last
> would be my suggestion, an
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 07:04:58PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
> - Left button to turn knob (radially)
Left button to turn knob linearly up/down.
Ctrl-Left to fine adjust 1/10th scale or whatever.
How about velocity sensitive knobs like OhmForce plugs use. Uggh.
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 17:56, Arnold Krille wrote:
> Still the question is: What toolkit to use for a
> standard-LAD-Gui-elements-set? Or just define the graphics and the handling
> and then let everyone implement it in his/her preferred toolkit? The last
> would be my suggestion, and maybe I am
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 10:38:49PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> SVG vector graphics (prefered by Peter and me)
> http://wrstud.uni-wuppertal.de/~ka0394/forum/04-05-02_knobs_02.png
>
> 3d rendering variatios
> http://wrstud.uni-wuppertal.de/~ka0394/forum/04-05-02_knob_3d_1-2-3.jpg
I quite like t
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 10:38:49PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> If you ask me, radial is the only right way of mouse control for
I have to disagree. Sometimes I close my eyes to ensure that I am only
using my ears to make adjustments, and a radial knob just SUCKS at that.
IMHO< the right way i
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 16:38, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> And generaly about knobs:
> If you ask me, radial is the only right way of mouse control for
> knobs. Gives the special advantage that you can have large value
> changes with small pointer movement close to the knob, or more
> precision if you
The real importance of Live's interface to me is that it begins to look at
the user interface as graphical symbols {forms with function... all
that} ...Something that can be cross platform, international, interlanguage
and even encoded into a postscript font. It breaks away from the need to
s
On Wednesday 09 June 2004 22:38, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> With the recent talk about plugin guis and stuff I think
> it's well fitting to present a knob design experiment I
> created for a LDrum redesign.
> SVG vector graphics (prefered by Peter and me)
> http://wrstud.uni-wuppertal.de/~ka0394/forum
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 22:38, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> Hi!
>
> With the recent talk about plugin guis and stuff I think
> it's well fitting to present a knob design experiment I
> created for a LDrum redesign.
>
> SVG vector graphics (prefered by Peter and me)
> http://wrstud.uni-wuppertal.de/~ka
Hi!
With the recent talk about plugin guis and stuff I think
it's well fitting to present a knob design experiment I
created for a LDrum redesign.
SVG vector graphics (prefered by Peter and me)
http://wrstud.uni-wuppertal.de/~ka0394/forum/04-05-02_knobs_02.png
3d rendering variatios
http://wrs
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