Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-14 Thread Dejan Muhamedagic
Hi, On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 09:27:15AM +0100, Andrew Beekhof wrote: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:53 PM, Bart Coninckx bart.conin...@telenet.be wrote: On Thursday 09 December 2010 22:21:57 Pavlos Parissis wrote: On 9 December 2010 17:09, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 9,

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-14 Thread Dejan Muhamedagic
Hi, On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 01:40:34PM -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: On 12/10/2010 12:53 PM, Andrew Beekhof wrote: No-one is suggesting all clusters should run on Fedora. I was clearly trying to say that instructions for A are unlikely to work unmodified for B. So perhaps the

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-13 Thread Pieter Baele
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 20:39, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Serge Dubrouski serge...@gmail.com wrote: Taking into account simple the answer is no. You can try RedHat Cluster Suite on CentOS, but that's not simple. What's wrong with

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-13 Thread Serge Dubrouski
BTW, here is one more Open Source alternative to Pacemaker for those who're building HA storage systems: http://www.openfiler.com/ But I really doubt that it's easy ti learn and set up. On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:06 AM, Pieter Baele pieter.ba...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 20:39,

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-13 Thread Bart Coninckx
On Monday 13 December 2010 17:36:05 Serge Dubrouski wrote: BTW, here is one more Open Source alternative to Pacemaker for those who're building HA storage systems: http://www.openfiler.com/ But I really doubt that it's easy ti learn and set up. On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:06 AM, Pieter Baele

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-12 Thread Bart Coninckx
On Friday 10 December 2010 16:40:16 Serge Dubrouski wrote: On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/10/10 8:32 AM, Vadym Chepkov wrote: On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Igor Chudovichu...@gmail.com wrote: This does not at all back up your claim that

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-10 Thread Andrew Beekhof
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Dimitri Maziuk dmaz...@bmrb.wisc.edu wrote: On 12/9/2010 4:05 AM, Andrew Beekhof wrote: On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Igor Chudovichu...@gmail.com  wrote: On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Serge Dubrouskiserge...@gmail.com  wrote: Taking into account simple the

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-10 Thread Andrew Beekhof
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:53 PM, Bart Coninckx bart.conin...@telenet.be wrote: On Thursday 09 December 2010 22:21:57 Pavlos Parissis wrote: On 9 December 2010 17:09, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Dimitri Maziuk dmaz...@bmrb.wisc.edu wrote: See LRM

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-10 Thread Dan Frincu
Miles Fidelman wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: I would like to know if there are relatively straightforward Linux based alternatives to DRBD and heartbeat. It occurs to me that I've yet to see an actual answer to the original poster's question. I've seen lots of dicussion

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-10 Thread Les Mikesell
On 12/10/10 2:20 AM, Andrew Beekhof wrote: See LRM operation WebSite_start_0 unknown error from November, that's where your pdf led me. By the time I hit unknown error starting drbd resource -- set up exactly as you describe, I've spent close to a week trying to replicate the setup that takes

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-10 Thread Igor Chudov
This does not at all back up your claim that there is no documentation. All this shows is that EPEL5 (what you tried it on) is different from Fedora-13 (what the guide was written for). Who would use fedora for anything that needed a highly available server? I would not, as a former

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-10 Thread Vadym Chepkov
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: This does not at all back up your claim that there is no documentation. All this shows is that EPEL5 (what you tried it on) is different from Fedora-13 (what the guide was written for). Who would use fedora for

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-10 Thread Les Mikesell
On 12/10/10 8:32 AM, Vadym Chepkov wrote: On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Igor Chudovichu...@gmail.com wrote: This does not at all back up your claim that there is no documentation. All this shows is that EPEL5 (what you tried it on) is different from Fedora-13 (what the guide was written

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-10 Thread Andrew Beekhof
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/10/10 2:20 AM, Andrew Beekhof wrote: See LRM operation WebSite_start_0 unknown error from November, that's where your pdf led me. By the time I hit unknown error starting drbd resource -- set up exactly as you

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-10 Thread Les Mikesell
On 12/10/2010 9:27 AM, Andrew Beekhof wrote: On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Les Mikeselllesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/10/10 2:20 AM, Andrew Beekhof wrote: See LRM operation WebSite_start_0 unknown error from November, that's where your pdf led me. By the time I hit unknown error

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-10 Thread Serge Dubrouski
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/10/2010 9:27 AM, Andrew Beekhof wrote: On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Les Mikeselllesmikes...@gmail.com  wrote: On 12/10/10 2:20 AM, Andrew Beekhof wrote: See LRM operation WebSite_start_0 unknown error from

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-10 Thread Dan Frincu
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/10/10 8:32 AM, Vadym Chepkov wrote: On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Igor Chudovichu...@gmail.com wrote: This does not at all back up your claim that there is no documentation. All

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-10 Thread Les Mikesell
On 12/10/2010 11:30 AM, Andrew Beekhof wrote: No-one is suggesting all clusters should run on Fedora. I was clearly trying to say that instructions for A are unlikely to work unmodified for B. So perhaps the appropriate question would be where to find the instructions for B - or a platform

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-10 Thread Andrew Beekhof
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/10/2010 11:30 AM, Andrew Beekhof wrote: No-one is suggesting all clusters should run on Fedora. I was clearly trying to say that instructions for A are unlikely to work unmodified for B. So perhaps the

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-10 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
Les Mikesell wrote: ... What I wanted was advice on the best platform that had a packaged, re-usable setup available that was likely to be maintained in updates for a long time. There's a bit of problem with your requirement: you forgot supported. As in try getting any support here for

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-10 Thread Serge Dubrouski
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Dimitri Maziuk dmaz...@bmrb.wisc.edu wrote: Les Mikesell wrote: ... What I wanted was advice on the best platform that had a packaged, re-usable setup available that was likely to be maintained in updates for a long time. There's a bit of problem with your

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-10 Thread Les Mikesell
On 12/10/2010 1:54 PM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: Les Mikesell wrote: ... What I wanted was advice on the best platform that had a packaged, re-usable setup available that was likely to be maintained in updates for a long time. There's a bit of problem with your requirement: you forgot

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-10 Thread Serge Dubrouski
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/10/2010 1:54 PM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: Les Mikesell wrote: ... What I wanted was advice on the best platform that had a packaged, re-usable setup available that was likely to be maintained in updates for a long

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-10 Thread Serge Dubrouski
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/10/2010 2:29 PM, Serge Dubrouski wrote: What I wanted was advice on the best platform that had a packaged, re-usable setup available that was likely to be maintained in updates for a long time. There's a bit

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-10 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
Serge Dubrouski wrote: On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Dimitri Maziuk dmaz...@bmrb.wisc.edu wrote: Les Mikesell wrote: ... What I wanted was advice on the best platform that had a packaged, re-usable setup available that was likely to be maintained in updates for a long time. There's a

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-10 Thread Les Mikesell
On 12/10/2010 2:06 PM, Serge Dubrouski wrote: What's wrong with RHEL5? You can use packages from http://www.clusterlabs.org/rpm Yes they don't support dual-master filesystem with OCFS2, but do you really need it? BTW, packaging for RHEL5 really sucks. Lots of things are really outdated and

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-09 Thread Andrew Beekhof
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:36 PM, James Smith james.sm...@m247.com wrote: I've spent the last several months learning drbd, pacemaker etc ... drbd itself is surprisingly simple to get up running.  Im yet to experience significant problems with it. Pacemaker has documentation, but I've

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-09 Thread Andrew Beekhof
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Serge Dubrouski serge...@gmail.com wrote: Taking into account simple the answer is no. You can try RedHat Cluster Suite on CentOS, but that's not simple. What's wrong with

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-09 Thread Michael
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 5:09 AM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Dimitri Maziuk dmaz...@bmrb.wisc.edu wrote: See LRM operation WebSite_start_0 unknown error from November, that's where your pdf led me. By the time I hit unknown error starting drbd

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-09 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
Igor Chudov wrote: Dima, I have a question. If you simultaneously reboot both drbd servers that are controlled by haresources, does it ever happen that neither node becomes master? Yes, they tend to go into split brain if you reboot them too close together. Doesn't seem to happen if I wait a

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-09 Thread Florian Haas
On 12/09/2010 04:31 PM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: On 12/9/2010 4:05 AM, Andrew Beekhof wrote: On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Igor Chudovichu...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Serge Dubrouskiserge...@gmail.com wrote: Taking into account simple the answer is no. You can try

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-09 Thread Miles Fidelman
Igor Chudov wrote: I would like to know if there are relatively straightforward Linux based alternatives to DRBD and heartbeat. It occurs to me that I've yet to see an actual answer to the original poster's question. I've seen lots of dicussion about DRBD, heartbeat, and

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-09 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
Florian Haas wrote: Pacemaker, however, has superseded Heartbeat v2 over a year and a half ago, and you should be using it, either on top of Heartbeat 3 or on top of Corosync. I think if you actually bothered to look at the thread I refer to, you'd've seen it was about heartbeat 3.0.3 with

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-09 Thread Florian Haas
On 12/09/2010 08:12 PM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: Florian Haas wrote: Pacemaker, however, has superseded Heartbeat v2 over a year and a half ago, and you should be using it, either on top of Heartbeat 3 or on top of Corosync. I think if you actually bothered to look at the thread I refer to,

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-09 Thread Pavlos Parissis
On 9 December 2010 17:09, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Dimitri Maziuk dmaz...@bmrb.wisc.edu wrote: See LRM operation WebSite_start_0 unknown error from November, that's where your pdf led me. By the time I hit unknown error starting drbd resource -- set

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-09 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
Miles Fidelman wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: I would like to know if there are relatively straightforward Linux based alternatives to DRBD and heartbeat. In theory you could try setting up raid-1 with mdadm where one of the devices is an iscsi target. That's for drbd -- and you could probably

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-09 Thread Bart Coninckx
On Thursday 09 December 2010 22:21:57 Pavlos Parissis wrote: On 9 December 2010 17:09, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Dimitri Maziuk dmaz...@bmrb.wisc.edu wrote: See LRM operation WebSite_start_0 unknown error from November, that's where your pdf led

[Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-08 Thread Igor Chudov
I would like to know if there are relatively straightforward Linux based alternatives to DRBD and heartbeat. Any pointers and suggestions will be gratefully accepted. Thanks i ___ Linux-HA mailing list Linux-HA@lists.linux-ha.org

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-08 Thread Michael Schwartzkopff
On Wednesday 08 December 2010 19:26:53 Igor Chudov wrote: I would like to know if there are relatively straightforward Linux based alternatives to DRBD and heartbeat. Any pointers and suggestions will be gratefully accepted. Yes. DRBD and pacemaker. See: www.clusterlabs.org -- Dr. Michael

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-08 Thread Serge Dubrouski
The question is too broad. Are you interested in Open Source or proprietary product? What do you want to achieve? One of the answers could be AoE (ATA over Ethernet) + OCFS2. On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to know if there are relatively

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-08 Thread Igor Chudov
I am interested in finding out Open Source alternative that would replace both DRBD as well as Heartbeat. I am definitely NOT looking for pacemaker either. I am looking for something simple, just file serving ability and switching NFS and samba would be all I need. igor On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-08 Thread Serge Dubrouski
Taking into account simple the answer is no. You can try RedHat Cluster Suite on CentOS, but that's not simple. What's wrong with DRBD/Pacemaker/Corosync ? On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: I am interested in finding out Open Source alternative that would

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-08 Thread Igor Chudov
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Serge Dubrouski serge...@gmail.com wrote: Taking into account simple the answer is no. You can try RedHat Cluster Suite on CentOS, but that's not simple. What's wrong with DRBD/Pacemaker/Corosync ? DRBD/Pacemaker was complicated, documentation did not exist or

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-08 Thread Serge Dubrouski
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Serge Dubrouski serge...@gmail.com wrote: Taking into account simple the answer is no. You can try RedHat Cluster Suite on CentOS, but that's not simple. What's wrong with

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-08 Thread Igor Chudov
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Serge Dubrouski serge...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Serge Dubrouski serge...@gmail.com wrote: Taking into account simple the answer is no. You can try RedHat Cluster

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-08 Thread Florian Haas
On 12/08/2010 08:39 PM, Igor Chudov wrote: On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Serge Dubrouski serge...@gmail.com wrote: Taking into account simple the answer is no. You can try RedHat Cluster Suite on CentOS, but that's not simple. What's wrong with DRBD/Pacemaker/Corosync ? DRBD/Pacemaker

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-08 Thread Serge Dubrouski
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Serge Dubrouski serge...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Serge Dubrouski serge...@gmail.com wrote: Taking

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-08 Thread Igor Chudov
Florian, it is very possible that I overlooked some valuable documentation. It is also possible that things have improved since I tried it last summer. However, at present, my question was to locate and consider alternatives to drbd and heartbeat. I will peruse the links that you provided, as,

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-08 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
Igor Chudov wrote: Florian, it is very possible that I overlooked some valuable documentation. It is also possible that things have improved since I tried it last summer. Having gone through the exercise recently: not really, no. Old-style configs still work as of 3.0.3, though. However, at

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-08 Thread Fajar Priyanto
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 6:03 AM, Dimitri Maziuk dmaz...@bmrb.wisc.edu wrote: We have a netapp fas2020: it's expensive, not open-sores or lignux based, but compared to heartbeat/drbd it can easily be cheap at the price. Especially if you come to work one Sunday afternoon to run yum update on the

Re: [Linux-HA] Are there any Linux alternatives to drbd and heartbeat?

2010-12-08 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
Fajar Priyanto wrote: Wow don't scare me, man! So far my golden rule is: Don't fix it if it's not broken. But, I'm required to update my machine if there's security high-vuln. Decision.. decision... ^^ It's OK when you know. I didn't notice until after the upgrade and reboot of both nodes